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Post by eaterfan on Dec 30, 2019 13:27:01 GMT -7
If the team is going to resign Rivers then at least give him a chance to win. Don't waste a first-round pick on his replacement. Get that OT the team needs. You want to try to get the QB of the future? See if you can pick up Rosen for a 6th round pick. The guy may be a bust, but he's played behind the worst OL in football the last two seasons. He'll be cheap and finally have some talent around him. It sucks if Rosen busts and Herbert turns out to be great. But if Herbert is great and we drafted Rivers we'll have wasted 2 years and 50 million in cap space that could have been used to get him some help. There’s very low odds that you can draft an OT that could be starting game 1 at a championship caliber level. Your desired outcome would require veterans, drafting dev/depth, and a lot of luck. Very few teams who draft in the top 5 have championship caliber skill position players like the Chargers do. I'm not expecting pro bowl level production from day one like a Joe Thomas, Orlando Pace, or Jonathan Ogden, but if you can get average play from the top OT off the board then the team is getting more than they get out of letting Herbert sit on the bench.
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Post by Chargeroo on Dec 30, 2019 14:07:39 GMT -7
There’s very low odds that you can draft an OT that could be starting game 1 at a championship caliber level. Your desired outcome would require veterans, drafting dev/depth, and a lot of luck. Very few teams who draft in the top 5 have championship caliber skill position players like the Chargers do. I'm not expecting pro bowl level production from day one like a Joe Thomas, Orlando Pace, or Jonathan Ogden, but if you can get average play from the top OT off the board then the team is getting more than they get out of letting Herbert sit on the bench. We drafted a couple of OT's in round one that were good even as a rookie. The last, McNeil didn't last long due to a back issue but he sure had the skill level right away. The Patriots have Isaiah Wynn doing a great job for them at LOT. (We should have drafted him). I think Thomas can be a good rookie too. Unless you always want to be a team with a pour OL, you gotta start somewhere and this is our chance to get the best OT in the draft.
It seems to me that nearly every game I watch one of the teams has a solid OT that the Chargers could have drafted but didn't. When we we figure this out?
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Post by Chargeroo on Dec 30, 2019 14:13:52 GMT -7
You must be to young to recall what QB hell is really like. This franchise has had many years of real QB hell. Rivers is still an above average QB. I’ve been a fan since Fouts. I think you may have missed my point: It’s not that things couldn’t be worse, or that worse wouldn’t be more acutely felt/seen. Rather, that we’ve been in QB hell for some time with a declining and more irrational Rivers and no clear path forward. Spani and TT let the team drive straight into the wall — the QB hell path they committed to years ago. I've been a fan since Jack Kemp was our QB. I've seen them all and we've had many that were really bad. I get your point, you think Rivers isn't a good QB any more. I think he still is if he has a good OL. That's the main difference in how we see this issue.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 30, 2019 14:58:43 GMT -7
I’ve been a fan since Fouts. I think you may have missed my point: It’s not that things couldn’t be worse, or that worse wouldn’t be more acutely felt/seen. Rather, that we’ve been in QB hell for some time with a declining and more irrational Rivers and no clear path forward. Spani and TT let the team drive straight into the wall — the QB hell path they committed to years ago. I've been a fan since Jack Kemp was our QB. I've seen them all and we've had many that were really bad. I get your point, you think Rivers isn't a good QB any more. I think he still is if he has a good OL. That's the main difference in how we see this issue. There is no arguing PR still has the talent... I question his decision making and chemistry with the coaching staff. If PR, Lynn (who is staying), and the new OC do not gel then we simply have a repeat of this year. PR can be his own worst enemy when he feels he knows more than the coaching staff and fights against them... Not saying that happened this year, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did. This team still does better without PR IMHO, simply due to the state of the team right now.
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 30, 2019 15:47:41 GMT -7
I’ve been a fan since Fouts. I think you may have missed my point: It’s not that things couldn’t be worse, or that worse wouldn’t be more acutely felt/seen. Rather, that we’ve been in QB hell for some time with a declining and more irrational Rivers and no clear path forward. Spani and TT let the team drive straight into the wall — the QB hell path they committed to years ago. I've been a fan since Jack Kemp was our QB. I've seen them all and we've had many that were really bad. I get your point, you think Rivers isn't a good QB any more. I think he still is if he has a good OL. That's the main difference in how we see this issue. I wouldn’t characterize my views quite that way. I think Rivers is a good quarterback who is declining, mainly in terms of judgment. My broader point is that the ownership and TT knew PR’s contract was coming up, and that they would need to address the QB situation either while he was under contract or hit the wall and hope for the best. I think that if the numbers were right, the rational path forward would be for TT to get a 2-year sunset cruise deal with PR and address the future in parallel.
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 30, 2019 16:06:08 GMT -7
There’s very low odds that you can draft an OT that could be starting game 1 at a championship caliber level. Your desired outcome would require veterans, drafting dev/depth, and a lot of luck. Very few teams who draft in the top 5 have championship caliber skill position players like the Chargers do. I'm not expecting pro bowl level production from day one like a Joe Thomas, Orlando Pace, or Jonathan Ogden, but if you can get average play from the top OT off the board then the team is getting more than they get out of letting Herbert sit on the bench. If they don’t work towards a long term QB situation then they will be getting Fluties and Flaccos for 2-3 year fills. Agree they need to invest heavily in OL. My proposition is that they can do both.
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Post by BleuMoon on Dec 30, 2019 16:40:54 GMT -7
Well, now that the team is keeping Lynn for another season, there goes my BOLD prediction of Josh McDaniels & Brady coming to LA. I digress...give me a moment to put together a post on topic.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 31, 2019 1:58:50 GMT -7
I don't think the Bengals will budge from the 1st pick or Burrows, But one can hope... If I had to guess right now, I'd say we likely draft Tagovailoa because the Dolphins will likely snag Herbert. We'll resign PR to give Tua time to recover and rehab. Everybody has a price my friend. You offer them our next three 1st round picks and they will shove a Bolt helmet on Burrow's head and deliver him to your office.
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Post by BleuMoon on Dec 31, 2019 2:49:04 GMT -7
Fixing 2020, my 2 cents after the 12 days of Xmas:
1. RESIGN #17. Definitely in the minority, but I would resign Rivers asap. Make it clear that "we still believe in you" at least for another season or two. Why create a major hole in the heart of the O and forecast the need to trade or draft a QB. History has shown way too many misses on 1st Round QBs being an instant savior at least in their first few years. Most of the QBs hitting the open market are backups for a reason. Brady ain't leaving NE for LA. Eli is done. Teddy Bridgewater is NIck Foles Redux. Cam Newton is going to want more money than Rivers. I would listen to thoughts on trading for Taysom Hill. Anyway, record aside, IMHO when healthy this team is capable of a double digit win season in 2020, IF and I say IF they start by keeping Rivers and focus on truly protecting him. Leads me to my next point.
2. PROTECTION. It's not sexy, but I take the top OL this draft. No second guessing, Just do it!!!! A strong OL has proven to give most QBs time for the passing attack and help open holes in the run game. I wouldn't draft with emotion on that #6 pick and definitely NOT trading up for a QB. I would be patient and wait to see if anyone else wants to move up. Try using the entire time limit this next draft before staff bolts up (pun intended) with our selection card as soon as Chargers are on the clock, forget "We always had our eyes on _______ QB".
3. DRAFT BEST AVAILABLE BLUE-CHIPPER. If we pass on the top OL, then take the top defensive player on the board regardless of position at #6. Push our very good D to elite status. The cliche holds true. Defense wins championships. Let's not forget that our bend but don't break D kept us in every game this past season. Gaining another "Bosa/Derwin James-like" player can never be a bad thing.
4. CATCH LIGHTNING IN A BOTTLE. With our 2nd Round pick, my hope is that teams fear TUA's injury and he falls to the end of the 1st round giving the Chargers a shot at trading back into the round to gain the 5th year option--think Ravens with Lamar Jackson minus the injury. We already know that TT isn't afraid of rolling the dice on damaged goods. And remember how Melvin Ingram fell to us, Derwin James fell to us, my best example is Keenan fell to us in the 3rd and he was damaged goods Perhaps lightning strikes again.
5. TAKE A PAGE FROM THE RAMS/SEAHAWKS. Be aggressive in FA. I don't know how they manage their cap space, but both continue to land playmakers. And before you say Rams didn't make the playoffs, injuries hurt them.
6. AVOID CONTRACT DISTRACTIONS. Sign Bosa to a new contract asap. No need to play hardball and repeat the past with another distracting holdout.
7. KEEP HOMEGROWN QUALITY. Resign Hunter Henry. Attempt to resign Gordon. Don't just let him walk. Sadly, I predict he'll be playing against us in a Chiefs uniform next season.
8. STOP THE TURNOVERS. Especially in the RedZone. Period.
9. WIN THE WEST. Stop playing for a wildcard spot. Push our D to elite status so that we can beat KC. Stop giving games away to the Broncos & Raiders. We are already better than both of those teams.
10. DON'T BE AFRAID TO TRADE. We currently don't have anything to offer, but I would trade for Taysom Hill.
11. ATTEND A "HOME GAME" IN THE NEW STADIUM. Yes a bit radical, but I would make it illegal to resell tickets to non-CA residents for the new stadium OR enforce a CHARGERS COLORS ONLY dress code in the stands. Might help with the "AWAY" team embarrassment.
12. START A GoFundMe CAMPAIGN. Let's buy the Chargers from the Spanos family and end the curse.
Happy New Year!!!!
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Post by totallybolted on Dec 31, 2019 10:19:33 GMT -7
There’s very low odds that you can draft an OT that could be starting game 1 at a championship caliber level. Your desired outcome would require veterans, drafting dev/depth, and a lot of luck. Very few teams who draft in the top 5 have championship caliber skill position players like the Chargers do. I'm not expecting pro bowl level production from day one like a Joe Thomas, Orlando Pace, or Jonathan Ogden, but if you can get average play from the top OT off the board then the team is getting more than they get out of letting Herbert sit on the bench. That is a solid POV. I agree. The team has really good talent in many of the skill positions. We all know the weak areas. I'm sure the bolts do too. I really hope they are active and aggressive in FA for one or two of those. that would free them up in the draft.
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Post by totallybolted on Dec 31, 2019 10:22:23 GMT -7
Fixing 2020, my 2 cents after the 12 days of Xmas: 1. RESIGN #17. Definitely in the minority, but I would resign Rivers asap. Make it clear that "we still believe in you" at least for another season or two. Why create a major hole in the heart of the O and forecast the need to trade or draft a QB. History has shown way too many misses on 1st Round QBs being an instant savior at least in their first few years. Most of the QBs hitting the open market are backups for a reason. Brady ain't leaving NE for LA. Eli is done. Teddy Bridgewater is NIck Foles Redux. Cam Newton is going to want more money than Rivers. I would listen to thoughts on trading for Taysom Hill. Anyway, record aside, IMHO when healthy this team is capable of a double digit win season in 2020, IF and I say IF they start by keeping Rivers and focus on truly protecting him. Leads me to my next point. 2. PROTECTION. It's not sexy, but I take the top OL this draft. No second guessing, Just do it!!!! A strong OL has proven to give most QBs time for the passing attack and help open holes in the run game. I wouldn't draft with emotion on that #6 pick and definitely NOT trading up for a QB. I would be patient and wait to see if anyone else wants to move up. Try using the entire time limit this next draft before staff bolts up (pun intended) with our selection card as soon as Chargers are on the clock, forget "We always had our eyes on _______ QB". 3. DRAFT BEST AVAILABLE BLUE-CHIPPER. If we pass on the top OL, then take the top defensive player on the board regardless of position at #6. Push our very good D to elite status. The cliche holds true. Defense wins championships. Let's not forget that our bend but don't break D kept us in every game this past season. Gaining another "Bosa/Derwin James-like" player can never be a bad thing. 4. CATCH LIGHTNING IN A BOTTLE. With our 2nd Round pick, my hope is that teams fear TUA's injury and he falls to the end of the 1st round giving the Chargers a shot at trading back into the round to gain the 5th year option--think Ravens with Lamar Jackson minus the injury. We already know that TT isn't afraid of rolling the dice on damaged goods. And remember how Melvin Ingram fell to us, Derwin James fell to us, my best example is Keenan fell to us in the 3rd and he was damaged goods Perhaps lightning strikes again. 5. TAKE A PAGE FROM THE RAMS/SEAHAWKS. Be aggressive in FA. I don't know how they manage their cap space, but both continue to land playmakers. And before you say Rams didn't make the playoffs, injuries hurt them. 6. AVOID CONTRACT DISTRACTIONS. Sign Bosa to a new contract asap. No need to play hardball and repeat the past with another distracting holdout. 7. KEEP HOMEGROWN QUALITY. Resign Hunter Henry. Attempt to resign Gordon. Don't just let him walk. Sadly, I predict he'll be playing against us in a Chiefs uniform next season. 8. STOP THE TURNOVERS. Especially in the RedZone. Period. 9. WIN THE WEST. Stop playing for a wildcard spot. Push our D to elite status so that we can beat KC. Stop giving games away to the Broncos & Raiders. We are already better than both of those teams. 10. DON'T BE AFRAID TO TRADE. We currently don't have anything to offer, but I would trade for Taysom Hill. 11. ATTEND A "HOME GAME" IN THE NEW STADIUM. Yes a bit radical, but I would make it illegal to resell tickets to non-CA residents for the new stadium OR enforce a CHARGERS COLORS ONLY dress code in the stands. Might help with the "AWAY" team embarrassment. 12. START A GoFundMe CAMPAIGN. Let's buy the Chargers from the Spanos family and end the curse.Happy New Year!!!! You have to love that one. I do
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Post by amped on Dec 31, 2019 11:22:53 GMT -7
This puts the past few years into perspective. From: www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2019/12/30/21043419/will-chargers-play-it-safe-again-offseason"Telesco’s record after 7 seasons is 53-59. For context, if he were to try to reach the record that A.J. Smith had when he was fired following a 7-9 season, Telesco’s Chargers would need to go 14-2 for the next 3 seasons. That’s an indication that what Telesco is doing is not working." We had it good for a bit. If we can stay healthy I think we can be good again.
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Post by moekid on Dec 31, 2019 12:47:00 GMT -7
Hire John Dorsey. The browns just fired him
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Post by eurobolt on Dec 31, 2019 14:53:16 GMT -7
Hire John Dorsey. The browns just fired him Aint that they guy who draft guys like Hunt or Hill ? No thanks
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Post by moekid on Dec 31, 2019 15:29:17 GMT -7
Hire John Dorsey. The browns just fired him Aint that they guy who draft guys like Hunt or Hill ? No thanks I would love to have both or either one of those guys
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