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Post by frozendisc on Jan 27, 2020 10:31:19 GMT -7
Two separate issues...... Did the GM build a talented roster? Did the coaching staff get the most out of the roster they had? Both questions are answered with some yes, and some no.... In my view, TT has failed miserably with OL.....and Lynn and staff have failed in many ways. Such as bringing creativity and focus on a weekly basis. The fix.....move on from Lynn, and try to figure out where the disconnect is in OL evaluations, then correct it. We disagree. GM answer is yes. and its proven with a 13-5 2018 season WITH the oline we had. Injuries started our Crazy Train off the rails for 2019, things went to hell after that. That's on the coaching. I mean sure, maybe we could only hustle for 8-8. But 5-11 ? That is directly a product of coaching. To win consistently it takes three things usually: Talent, Health and Luck Bolts had plenty of the health and luck components in their 13-5 season......not enough to overcome, but plenty. Their 5-11 season saw little of all three aspects.....
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 27, 2020 10:36:32 GMT -7
Two separate issues...... Did the GM build a talented roster? Did the coaching staff get the most out of the roster they had? Both questions are answered with some yes, and some no.... In my view, TT has failed miserably with OL.....and Lynn and staff have failed in many ways. Such as bringing creativity and focus on a weekly basis. The fix.....move on from Lynn, and try to figure out where the disconnect is in OL evaluations, then correct it. We disagree. GM answer is yes. and its proven with a 13-5 2018 season WITH the oline we had. Injuries started our Crazy Train off the rails for 2019, things went to hell after that. That's on the coaching. I mean sure, maybe we could only hustle for 8-8. But 5-11 ? That is directly a product of coaching. On another note, I remember commenting that I did not believe the 12-4 record as being reflective of what the roster actually was. Yes they won 12 games, but I felt that roster was more of a 9 win roster. Plenty of you scoffed at my viewpoint...... I still feel the same way, the 5 win roster was much better than the record would imply. Injuries are what hurt the most, but a boring effort by the coaching staff hurt as well.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 27, 2020 11:04:44 GMT -7
We disagree. GM answer is yes. and its proven with a 13-5 2018 season WITH the oline we had. Injuries started our Crazy Train off the rails for 2019, things went to hell after that. That's on the coaching. I mean sure, maybe we could only hustle for 8-8. But 5-11 ? That is directly a product of coaching. To win consistently it takes three things usually: Talent, Health and Luck Bolts had plenty of the health and luck components in their 13-5 season......not enough to overcome, but plenty. Their 5-11 season saw little of all three aspects..... You don't go 13-5 without Talent.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 27, 2020 11:08:14 GMT -7
We disagree. GM answer is yes. and its proven with a 13-5 2018 season WITH the oline we had. Injuries started our Crazy Train off the rails for 2019, things went to hell after that. That's on the coaching. I mean sure, maybe we could only hustle for 8-8. But 5-11 ? That is directly a product of coaching. On another note, I remember commenting that I did not believe the 12-4 record as being reflective of what the roster actually was. Yes they won 12 games, but I felt that roster was more of a 9 win roster. Plenty of you scoffed at my viewpoint...... I still feel the same way, the 5 win roster was much better than the record would imply. Injuries are what hurt the most, but a boring effort by the coaching staff hurt as well. My view on this is that I have seen coaches get more out of a group than ours did. Was it 9 losses by one score ? There are only two possible answers for that. Coaching, and QB play. It can be both. They can take turns trading off loss responsibilities. But those are the two factors.
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Post by totallybolted on Jan 27, 2020 11:22:25 GMT -7
On another note, I remember commenting that I did not believe the 12-4 record as being reflective of what the roster actually was. Yes they won 12 games, but I felt that roster was more of a 9 win roster. Plenty of you scoffed at my viewpoint...... I still feel the same way, the 5 win roster was much better than the record would imply. Injuries are what hurt the most, but a boring effort by the coaching staff hurt as well.My view on this is that I have seen coaches get more out of a group than ours did. Was it 9 losses by one score ? There are only two possible answers for that. Coaching, and QB play. It can be both. They can take turns trading off loss responsibilities. But those are the two factors. 30 interceptions..... huge factor
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 27, 2020 11:24:50 GMT -7
To win consistently it takes three things usually: Talent, Health and Luck Bolts had plenty of the health and luck components in their 13-5 season......not enough to overcome, but plenty. Their 5-11 season saw little of all three aspects..... You don't go 13-5 without Talent. Nobody is saying there isn't any talent.......even 3-13 clubs have some talent.
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 27, 2020 11:51:43 GMT -7
On another note, I remember commenting that I did not believe the 12-4 record as being reflective of what the roster actually was. Yes they won 12 games, but I felt that roster was more of a 9 win roster. Plenty of you scoffed at my viewpoint...... I still feel the same way, the 5 win roster was much better than the record would imply. Injuries are what hurt the most, but a boring effort by the coaching staff hurt as well.My view on this is that I have seen coaches get more out of a group than ours did. Was it 9 losses by one score ? There are only two possible answers for that. Coaching, and QB play. It can be both. They can take turns trading off loss responsibilities. But those are the two factors. I seem to think there are far more than just two options. The only player to get called out is the QB? Sorry, but in a team sport, bad play influences all play. Winger and Centre get caught deep in the zone, odd man rush going the other way, D men play it well, but the extra man gets a high percentage shot attempt and scores......goalie gets the blame, but we know the blame stink should be on others as well.
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 27, 2020 11:53:42 GMT -7
My view on this is that I have seen coaches get more out of a group than ours did. Was it 9 losses by one score ? There are only two possible answers for that. Coaching, and QB play. It can be both. They can take turns trading off loss responsibilities. But those are the two factors. 30 interceptions..... huge factor Rivers knows he owns that......but poor OL play was a big driver of the poor QB play.
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Post by eurobolt on Jan 27, 2020 12:34:44 GMT -7
I see bit bigger issue here...
We all agree that injuries were huge issue this year. Just assume that TT will get it right this offseason - invest in FA OL, top draft picks will pan out, with Nassir palying to hype and Lamp being actually healthy for the very first time. Qb whoever it will be we play to the strenghts of the team, power run and dominating defense.
We will finish 13-3 and lose in let say championship round...
Does it mean we will have Lynn for another 4-5 years?
We all know that team is talented we all know there are holes that can be filled but want to confirm that we know that Lynn is not our man going forward.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 27, 2020 12:37:54 GMT -7
My view on this is that I have seen coaches get more out of a group than ours did. Was it 9 losses by one score ? There are only two possible answers for that. Coaching, and QB play. It can be both. They can take turns trading off loss responsibilities. But those are the two factors. I seem to think there are far more than just two options. The only player to get called out is the QB? Sorry, but in a team sport, bad play influences all play. Winger and Centre get caught deep in the zone, odd man rush going the other way, D men play it well, but the extra man gets a high percentage shot attempt and scores...... goalie gets the blame, but we know the blame stink should be on others as well. Goalies should ALWAYS get the blame.
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 27, 2020 13:37:59 GMT -7
I concur with 2019. Is their underperformance on the GM ? He acquired people that went 13-5 in 2018. How is 5-11 then on him ? Two separate issues...... Did the GM build a talented roster? Did the coaching staff get the most out of the roster they had? Both questions are answered with some yes, and some no.... In my view, TT has failed miserably with OL.....and Lynn and staff have failed in many ways. Such as bringing creativity and focus on a weekly basis. The fix.....move on from Lynn, and try to figure out where the disconnect is in OL evaluations, then correct it. Did the GM build a talented roster? > Mediocre; just enough to overperform one year and underperform another. The big misses and volume of just poor early picks show a tendency to make bad decisions. They get lucky when clear BPA falls to them, allowing them to get too much credit for others’ (prior teams) decisions. Did the coaching staff get the most out of the roster they had? > No. We very much agree on that.
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 27, 2020 13:46:02 GMT -7
I seem to think there are far more than just two options. The only player to get called out is the QB? Sorry, but in a team sport, bad play influences all play. Winger and Centre get caught deep in the zone, odd man rush going the other way, D men play it well, but the extra man gets a high percentage shot attempt and scores...... goalie gets the blame, but we know the blame stink should be on others as well. Goalies should ALWAYS get the blame. Every player shares in the blame.......
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 27, 2020 13:51:17 GMT -7
Two separate issues...... Did the GM build a talented roster? Did the coaching staff get the most out of the roster they had? Both questions are answered with some yes, and some no.... In my view, TT has failed miserably with OL.....and Lynn and staff have failed in many ways. Such as bringing creativity and focus on a weekly basis. The fix.....move on from Lynn, and try to figure out where the disconnect is in OL evaluations, then correct it. Did the GM build a talented roster? > Mediocre; just enough to overperform one year and underperform another. The big misses and volume of just poor early picks show a tendency to make bad decisions. They get lucky when clear BPA falls to them, allowing them to get too much credit for others’ (prior teams) decisions. Did the coaching staff get the most out of the roster they had? > No. We very much agree on that. Can you be 13-5 and Mediocre at the same time ? I just flat out don't believe that for a minute.
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 27, 2020 13:56:26 GMT -7
Two separate issues...... Did the GM build a talented roster? Did the coaching staff get the most out of the roster they had? Both questions are answered with some yes, and some no.... In my view, TT has failed miserably with OL.....and Lynn and staff have failed in many ways. Such as bringing creativity and focus on a weekly basis. The fix.....move on from Lynn, and try to figure out where the disconnect is in OL evaluations, then correct it. Did the GM build a talented roster? > Mediocre; just enough to overperform one year and underperform another. The big misses and volume of just poor early picks show a tendency to make bad decisions. They get lucky when clear BPA falls to them, allowing them to get too much credit for others’ (prior teams) decisions. Did the coaching staff get the most out of the roster they had? > No. We very much agree on that. I think TT was on a pretty solid roster build until he started missing on the OL picks. The roster, as it sits, has plenty of talent in key spots. Unfortunately, a very key spot, QB, looks to be in huge need. How TT addresses that, along with his OL issues, will be interesting to say the least. Lynn gets all these comments about what a great leader he is, yet most weeks I see an unfocused effort from his players. I don't hate him as a coach, but I don't believe in him as a HC......if that makes any sense to you.
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 27, 2020 14:00:47 GMT -7
Did the GM build a talented roster? > Mediocre; just enough to overperform one year and underperform another. The big misses and volume of just poor early picks show a tendency to make bad decisions. They get lucky when clear BPA falls to them, allowing them to get too much credit for others’ (prior teams) decisions. Did the coaching staff get the most out of the roster they had? > No. We very much agree on that. Can you be 13-5 and Mediocre at the same time ? I just flat out don't believe that for a minute. Well, yea...... As I said before, I felt that roster was a 9-7 type roster.....they get the bounces in close games and you see 12-4. Then here comes all that hype about contending for a Super Bowl, and a 5-11 season slaps you hard with reality. The roster simply is not deep enough in talent in general, and just ugly in the OL group.
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