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Post by afboltfan on Feb 10, 2020 13:15:50 GMT -7
I’m confused, Bridgewater had one major injury, and he’s injury prone. Rivers had one major injury as well with his ACL he was never considered as injury prone? Are people that incompetent To think about what injury prone really means? “Someone who is frequently injured” ....... His injury was extremely severe... His knee literally exploded in his leg, and it didn't even happen from contact. The chances of something happening to that surgically rebuilt knee is high, especially as he gets older. We thought PR was immobile? Just wait till Bridgewater gets a few more years under his belt... Not worth the risk or cost IMHO.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 10, 2020 13:32:30 GMT -7
It is a process, and I am certain the FO is well into it. There are a number of players you have listed that I suspect do not return, mostly due to the cost/return is a bad ratio. I agree completely that any FA QB will be cost prohibitive, and could quite easily handcuff TT in far too many ways. My preference would be Simmons, but if he is gone, OT Thomas would be awesome. DL Brown would as well....... I would love for OT Thomas to be there @#6. No love for OT Wills...? I get Simmons athleticism, but wonder about his instincts. I think teams will run at him in the NFL. I also like some mid-round WILL's, too. Not so much love for OT's outside the 1st round. It will be all about the Giants, as they need OL and could easily take Thomas, but that means Simmons will be there for TT. I think Simmons is the better talent, and would use him in a similar fashion as they use James. I do not see Simmons as an ILB, but he could be found there on occasion and not be a liability. James and Simmons would be my safeties, so TT would need to address ILB in some fashion. If the Giants take Simmons, then Thomas would most likely be there, and that would not be a bad thing. Thomas would be a day one starter, and a huge upgrade over any OT currently on roster. If trades start happening, and the expected QB's do not get picked, then DL Brown would certainly be there @ #6, and he would be sweet to pair up with Tillery......might even make Tillery look good. In the end, TT will be adding a very talented player, and at a position of huge value to the club, regardless of the pick. Unless TT reaches to solve the QB need, and takes Herbert. Big risk, big call......big decision.
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 10, 2020 13:39:24 GMT -7
Yes. I mean for the most part I can see your post being true. It is a tough, tough situation. Honestly goalie, the only way out of it, too get a little excited, might be move up for Burrow or Tua. Bridgewater is pretty groovy, but there are injury concerns, BUT I want to research that some. Herbert looks to have size and arm strength. Is he RAW talent ? I am hearing he is. Year 2 or 3, he COULD destroy face in the NFL. But you might have to eat year one to get there. I'm going to give you a very secret sneaky stat on Herbert, that I did not like: Did you know over 30% of his pass completions were screens ? Trading up for Burrow would be too costly, and would set the roster build back to the point of reconsidering the timing on pretty much every player. I would not take Tua if he was there at 6th, certainly not trading up for him. Herbert at 6th is possible, but I strongly believe there will be far better talent available, so I am taking that talent. Simmons please..... The option you failed to consider is taking a QB mid rounds........3rd or 4th......perhaps the deficiency in drafting OL is offset by an ability to draft QB's. (not likely, eh) Which means 70% were downfield......works for me, as the RB's are very good at catching the ball. Now to get that OL that can block....... I didn't fail to consider anything. I dismissed it out of hand immediately as a plan of FAILURE Do you know what you get with a "3rd or 4th" round QB ? Answer: A 3rd or 4th round QB. Why you guys would ever choose to doubt me is completely beyond me. But, on we go....................... IF THEY DO NOT GET A FREE AGENT QB, THEY WILL DRAFT A FIRST ROUND QB. Not only is our future and TT on the line here. Patrick Mahomes told me "you know what's best for you." REACT TO MY BRILLIANT DESTRUCTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Chargeroo on Feb 10, 2020 13:48:08 GMT -7
I think Simmons is good and worthy of being picked at #6 but I don't think of him as a fit for Bolts defense. I don't see him as a solid LB but I do think he'd make a great SS ---- and we have one of the best SS in the NFL. I'd pass on him for that reason.
I'm still saying we should take Thomas. Those OT's usually have long careers - imagine having a solid LOT for the next 12-15 years! This is our best chance in a long time to get a really good LOT.
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Post by Chargeroo on Feb 10, 2020 13:51:49 GMT -7
Trading up for Burrow would be too costly, and would set the roster build back to the point of reconsidering the timing on pretty much every player. I would not take Tua if he was there at 6th, certainly not trading up for him. Herbert at 6th is possible, but I strongly believe there will be far better talent available, so I am taking that talent. Simmons please..... The option you failed to consider is taking a QB mid rounds........3rd or 4th......perhaps the deficiency in drafting OL is offset by an ability to draft QB's. (not likely, eh) Which means 70% were downfield......works for me, as the RB's are very good at catching the ball. Now to get that OL that can block....... I didn't fail to consider anything. I dismissed it out of hand immediately as a plan of FAILURE Do you know what you get with a "3rd or 4th" round QB ? Answer: A 3rd or 4th round QB. Why you guys would ever choose to doubt me is completely beyond me. But, on we go....................... IF THEY DO NOT GET A FREE AGENT QB, THEY WILL DRAFT A FIRST ROUND QB. Not only is our future and TT on the line here. Patrick Mahomes told me "you know what's best for you." REACT TO MY BRILLIANT DESTRUCTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here's my reaction - you are an ego maniac.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 10, 2020 13:57:22 GMT -7
I think Simmons is good and worthy of being picked at #6 but I don't think of him as a fit for Bolts defense. I don't see him as a solid LB but I do think he'd make a great SS ---- and we have one of the best SS in the NFL. I'd pass on him for that reason. I'm still saying we should take Thomas. Those OT's usually have long careers - imagine having a solid LOT for the next 12-15 years! This is our best chance in a long time to get a really good LOT. With both Simmons and James, there would be no serious designation on FS or SS....... I suspect OT Thomas will be chosen by the Giants.......next best OT is Wills, who is very good as well. Simmons, Thomas, Brown or Wills.....all would bring huge value to the Bolts roster. TT cannot go wrong, unless he goes QB.....
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Post by boltnut on Feb 10, 2020 13:57:24 GMT -7
I would love for OT Thomas to be there @#6. No love for OT Wills...? I get Simmons athleticism, but wonder about his instincts. I think teams will run at him in the NFL. I also like some mid-round WILL's, too. Not so much love for OT's outside the 1st round. It will be all about the Giants, as they need OL and could easily take Thomas, but that means Simmons will be there for TT. I think Simmons is the better talent, and would use him in a similar fashion as they use James. I do not see Simmons as an ILB, but he could be found there on occasion and not be a liability. James and Simmons would be my safeties, so TT would need to address ILB in some fashion. If the Giants take Simmons, then Thomas would most likely be there, and that would not be a bad thing. Thomas would be a day one starter, and a huge upgrade over any OT currently on roster. If trades start happening, and the expected QB's do not get picked, then DL Brown would certainly be there @ #6, and he would be sweet to pair up with Tillery......might even make Tillery look good. In the end, TT will be adding a very talented player, and at a position of huge value to the club, regardless of the pick. Unless TT reaches to solve the QB need, and takes Herbert. Big risk, big call......big decision. I like Brown and Simmons, too. But would draft Andrew Thomas or Jedrick Wills over both of them. Titans and Niners both proved that the way to beat the Chiefs was to keep Mahommes on the bench. They did that by attacking the Chiefs DE's with their OT's in the running game. Why both teams decided to start attacking Nnadi and Jones up the gut in the 4th quarter is a mystery to me. Two 1st round safeties seems like a waste to me. Chargers went 1-4 with James back in the lineup. I just don't think safeties have the impact that OT's do.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 10, 2020 14:00:44 GMT -7
It will be all about the Giants, as they need OL and could easily take Thomas, but that means Simmons will be there for TT. I think Simmons is the better talent, and would use him in a similar fashion as they use James. I do not see Simmons as an ILB, but he could be found there on occasion and not be a liability. James and Simmons would be my safeties, so TT would need to address ILB in some fashion. If the Giants take Simmons, then Thomas would most likely be there, and that would not be a bad thing. Thomas would be a day one starter, and a huge upgrade over any OT currently on roster. If trades start happening, and the expected QB's do not get picked, then DL Brown would certainly be there @ #6, and he would be sweet to pair up with Tillery......might even make Tillery look good. In the end, TT will be adding a very talented player, and at a position of huge value to the club, regardless of the pick. Unless TT reaches to solve the QB need, and takes Herbert. Big risk, big call......big decision. I like Brown and Simmons, too. But would draft Andrew Thomas or Jedrick Wills over both of them. Titans and Niners both proved that the way to beat the Chiefs was to keep Mahommes on the bench. They did that by attacking the Chiefs DE's with their OT's in the running game. Why both teams decided to start attacking Nnadi and Jones up the gut in the 4th quarter is a mystery to me. Two 1st round safeties seems like a waste to me. Chargers went 1-4 with James back in the lineup. I just don't think safeties have the impact that OT's do. While we do not agree on the pick preference, we do seem to agree that choosing a QB is a missed opportunity.
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Post by boltnut on Feb 10, 2020 14:02:02 GMT -7
Trading up for Burrow would be too costly, and would set the roster build back to the point of reconsidering the timing on pretty much every player. I would not take Tua if he was there at 6th, certainly not trading up for him. Herbert at 6th is possible, but I strongly believe there will be far better talent available, so I am taking that talent. Simmons please..... The option you failed to consider is taking a QB mid rounds........3rd or 4th......perhaps the deficiency in drafting OL is offset by an ability to draft QB's. (not likely, eh) Which means 70% were downfield......works for me, as the RB's are very good at catching the ball. Now to get that OL that can block....... I didn't fail to consider anything. I dismissed it out of hand immediately as a plan of FAILURE Do you know what you get with a "3rd or 4th" round QB ? Answer: A 3rd or 4th round QB. Why you guys would ever choose to doubt me is completely beyond me. But, on we go....................... IF THEY DO NOT GET A FREE AGENT QB, THEY WILL DRAFT A FIRST ROUND QB. Not only is our future and TT on the line here. Patrick Mahomes told me "you know what's best for you." REACT TO MY BRILLIANT DESTRUCTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Russell Wilson...? I prefer to get my GOAT in the 6th round, though. BTW, PFF's highest rated rookie QB came from the 6th round last year...
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 10, 2020 14:04:23 GMT -7
I didn't fail to consider anything. I dismissed it out of hand immediately as a plan of FAILURE Do you know what you get with a "3rd or 4th" round QB ? Answer: A 3rd or 4th round QB. Why you guys would ever choose to doubt me is completely beyond me. But, on we go....................... IF THEY DO NOT GET A FREE AGENT QB, THEY WILL DRAFT A FIRST ROUND QB. Not only is our future and TT on the line here. Patrick Mahomes told me "you know what's best for you." REACT TO MY BRILLIANT DESTRUCTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Russell Wilson...? I prefer to get my GOAT in the 6th round, though. BTW, PFF's highest rated rookie QB came from the 6th round last year... Freak's destruction at its' finest.......
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Post by boltnut on Feb 10, 2020 14:05:49 GMT -7
I like Brown and Simmons, too. But would draft Andrew Thomas or Jedrick Wills over both of them. Titans and Niners both proved that the way to beat the Chiefs was to keep Mahommes on the bench. They did that by attacking the Chiefs DE's with their OT's in the running game. Why both teams decided to start attacking Nnadi and Jones up the gut in the 4th quarter is a mystery to me. Two 1st round safeties seems like a waste to me. Chargers went 1-4 with James back in the lineup. I just don't think safeties have the impact that OT's do. While we do not agree on the pick preference, we do seem to agree that choosing a QB is a missed opportunity. Yep. I like Anthony Gordon in the 3rd or 4th round (Freak's favorite rounds)...
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Post by boltnut on Feb 10, 2020 14:15:35 GMT -7
1. OT Andrew Thomas/Jedrick Wills
2. CB Jeff Gladney/Cameron Dantzler
3. QB Anthony Gordon
4. RB Antonio Gibson
5. WILL Willie Gay Jr.
6. DT Benito Jones
My 1 splash signing would be RT Jack Conklin. Then I re-sign expiring contracts (starting with HH).
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 10, 2020 14:40:08 GMT -7
It will be all about the Giants, as they need OL and could easily take Thomas, but that means Simmons will be there for TT. I think Simmons is the better talent, and would use him in a similar fashion as they use James. I do not see Simmons as an ILB, but he could be found there on occasion and not be a liability. James and Simmons would be my safeties, so TT would need to address ILB in some fashion. If the Giants take Simmons, then Thomas would most likely be there, and that would not be a bad thing. Thomas would be a day one starter, and a huge upgrade over any OT currently on roster. If trades start happening, and the expected QB's do not get picked, then DL Brown would certainly be there @ #6, and he would be sweet to pair up with Tillery......might even make Tillery look good. In the end, TT will be adding a very talented player, and at a position of huge value to the club, regardless of the pick. Unless TT reaches to solve the QB need, and takes Herbert. Big risk, big call......big decision. I like Brown and Simmons, too. But would draft Andrew Thomas or Jedrick Wills over both of them. Titans and Niners both proved that the way to beat the Chiefs was to keep Mahommes on the bench. They did that by attacking the Chiefs DE's with their OT's in the running game. Why both teams decided to start attacking Nnadi and Jones up the gut in the 4th quarter is a mystery to me. Two 1st round safeties seems like a waste to me. Chargers went 1-4 with James back in the lineup. I just don't think safeties have the impact that OT's do. You DO realize Mahomes won both of those games. If the 9ers defense couldn't stop Mahomes Magic, ours sure as hell ain'ta gonna. QB ALL IN
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 10, 2020 14:41:18 GMT -7
I didn't fail to consider anything. I dismissed it out of hand immediately as a plan of FAILURE Do you know what you get with a "3rd or 4th" round QB ? Answer: A 3rd or 4th round QB. Why you guys would ever choose to doubt me is completely beyond me. But, on we go....................... IF THEY DO NOT GET A FREE AGENT QB, THEY WILL DRAFT A FIRST ROUND QB. Not only is our future and TT on the line here. Patrick Mahomes told me "you know what's best for you." REACT TO MY BRILLIANT DESTRUCTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Russell Wilson...? I prefer to get my GOAT in the 6th round, though. BTW, PFF's highest rated rookie QB came from the 6th round last year... oooooo, good pick. Now do the hundred that flopped. Let me know how the odds look for us.
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 10, 2020 14:42:38 GMT -7
Russell Wilson...? I prefer to get my GOAT in the 6th round, though. BTW, PFF's highest rated rookie QB came from the 6th round last year... Freak's destruction at its' finest....... Laughable. GM's always look for their franchise QB in the sixth round. REALLY REALLY LAUGHABLE Can you guys just TRY to get to reality.
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