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Post by totallybolted on Apr 24, 2020 6:34:10 GMT -7
Not a big fan of the Herbert pick... but I love Murray! Will we ever get an OT in the 1st round...? me neither. I think if they went Simmons, they could of had herbert at 37. though I bet they would have traded up to do it.
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Post by jwr10x on Apr 24, 2020 6:36:56 GMT -7
Murray is your consolation prize for Simmons. They must have loved him to trade up and get him. Herbert and Murray are now both on 5th year team option contracts. I tried to tell you the importance of that in today's NFL. He is a guy I have wanted for years and never knew why we didn't have one: Fast Inside LB. Steelers had Ryan Shazier. When he got hurt they drafted Devin Bush. All that time I was like "Where's our fast ILB?!?!?!?!?!?" Big School Billy at Oklahoma, Murray flies sideline to sideline, missile like on inside blitzes, and tackles for loss. One of my favorite college stats I look for is TFL-tackles for loss. Murray had 17 of them and 4 sacks last year. Nice. If you don't think the Chargers look for Choirboys: Murray is the son of a preacher and takes pride in helping his parents raise three adopted siblings with special needs. Welcome Murray. Now sic em !! Not to forget he also saved a persons live 247sports.com/college/oklahoma/Article/Oklahoma-Sooners-Kenneth-Murray-saves-life-Big-12-Alex-Grinch-133718566/
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Post by afboltfan on Apr 24, 2020 6:45:24 GMT -7
Not a big fan of the Herbert pick... but I love Murray! Will we ever get an OT in the 1st round...? me neither. I think if they went Simmons, they could of had herbert at 37. though I bet they would have traded up to do it. Depends on how you compare Simmons to Murray... I would much rather have picked Simmons and traded up for Herbert, I think Simmons is that good.
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Post by frozendisc on Apr 24, 2020 6:55:06 GMT -7
Taking the third QB with the 6th pick is leaving serious talent on the board, big roll of the dice. A whiff of desperation perhaps.
The Murray pick was expensive, aside from cost he is a pretty safe pick, as you know exactly what you are getting.
My thought is poor use of draft capital so far. If they both become stars, and we hope they do, then crow is for dinner.....
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Post by frozendisc on Apr 24, 2020 6:59:04 GMT -7
me neither. I think if they went Simmons, they could of had herbert at 37. though I bet they would have traded up to do it. Depends on how you compare Simmons to Murray... I would much rather have picked Simmons and traded up for Herbert, I think Simmons is that good. I don't think Murray and Simmons compare well at all. Murray is the typical LB, while Simmons is much more of a chess piece, and is capable of far more in the defence.
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 24, 2020 7:30:22 GMT -7
Let's review, as I and I alone, POUNDED QB into you guys relentlessly. Just SOME of my highlights: Rivers gone, insert QB. YOU guys wanted to draft a QB because of Rivers age. Did that need go up or down when Rivers left ? Depends... Do you think this team is in rebuild mode? QB is a need but we had more options this season to replace him than at anytime in the past.
I do NOT think we are in rebuild mode at all. Too much roster talent. When we burn a 3rd round pick to move up for a ILB, we are not in rebuild mode at that point. No way in hell a GM was putting his career in Tyrod Taylor's hands. Herbert won't be any better until proven otherwise, neither him nor Taylor has started a game for the Chargers
Trying to think of the proper words to convey this process. Taylor is a back up, good back up, but back up. You then want to grab a Prospect Franchise QB with a 5 year rookie contract. THAT's the sweet spot. They are all prospects, development, learning, hopes, dreams, whatever. That's the definition of Rookie. Tyrod is a back up for a reason. Yea because we had PR... For someone who was all over Bridgewater, their stats are near identical
And its been proven how very different Bridgewater and Taylor are as I said they were. About 20 million dollars a year different currently. One is a lock Starter. The other.........not so much now huh ? Talky talk is over. The proof has arrived.QB is number 1 Positional Value in football. GM's freak out over QB's/lose their minds. No doubt, and many are taken way before they should be.
Many were taken late too. Aaron Rodgers says hi. Brady too.You will never win through post season with Taylor/he is not a franchise QB. Same could be said for Herbert until proven otherwise
Professional teams, not forums, do the evaluations and decisions. You do NOT want to battle Mahomes 2-3 times every year with Tyrod Taylor. You HAVE to STRIVE for more than that. We WILL NOT beat Mahomes with Herbert either, only a strong defense can do that. IMHO only a few QB's in the league can go toe to toe with Mahomes over 4 quarters.
Trying to win 17+ games with Taylor I called a disaster plan. Looks like the entire Chargers Org. agreed with me.
Do not believe Lynn and company when he says Taylor is our guy. Because he is not "their guy". I do believe he is Lynn's guy
I can see where he is A Lynn guy. I promise you he was not THE guy. Big difference. About 9:00pm-9:30pm EST last night, it played out right in front of your eyeballs. Easiest draft position EVER for me to pick. It was so crystal clear to me. If you had sworn proper oath to me and followed, you would not be hurting now. QB was literally on everyone's list, we just had other positions higher. You better hope Herbert is the guy, Emperors don't like to eat crow
Wrong. I guaranteed the QB position. Not the specific player. Please, let's all try to remember that.
This and much much more I posted for months on here. Never doubt my mind. I've gone done it again folks. Its a gift. ok...Always Kneel, Never doubt. uh huh...REACT AS I HAVE GIVEN YOU WHAT NO ONE ELSE CAN IN ALL OF NFL ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Herbert was literally on every other mock in the media. Looks like the media got it right too, huh ? GREAT discussion !!!!!!!
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 24, 2020 7:34:08 GMT -7
Taking the third QB with the 6th pick is leaving serious talent on the board, big roll of the dice. A whiff of desperation perhaps. The Murray pick was expensive, aside from cost he is a pretty safe pick, as you know exactly what you are getting. My thought is poor use of draft capital so far. If they both become stars, and we hope they do, then crow is for dinner.....Hi Disc !!!!!
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 24, 2020 7:35:09 GMT -7
Depends on how you compare Simmons to Murray... I would much rather have picked Simmons and traded up for Herbert, I think Simmons is that good. I don't think Murray and Simmons compare well at all. Murray is the typical LB, while Simmons is much more of a chess piece, and is capable of far more in the defence. Capable of failing down to the 8th pick too.
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Post by totallybolted on Apr 24, 2020 7:47:57 GMT -7
me neither. I think if they went Simmons, they could of had herbert at 37. though I bet they would have traded up to do it. Depends on how you compare Simmons to Murray... I would much rather have picked Simmons and traded up for Herbert, I think Simmons is that good. i get the herbert pick as I think about it more. QB was PON. herbert fit that. But with the first pick you have to have BPA included. So get the BPA who fits our Positions of need the most. The Bolts saw Herbert as that fit. To be fair Simmons would of been a bit of a luxury pick, but a damn good one. It would have set the D up for several years. Murry has good speed and cover side line to side line. Speed makes a D nasty. It's a good move.
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 24, 2020 7:56:49 GMT -7
Depends on how you compare Simmons to Murray... I would much rather have picked Simmons and traded up for Herbert, I think Simmons is that good. i get the herbert pick as I think about it more. QB was PON. herbert fit that. But with the first pick you have to have BPA included. So get the BPA who fits our Positions of need the most. The Bolts saw Herbert as that fit. To be fair Simmons would of been a bit of a luxury pick, but a damn good one. It would have set the D up for several years. Murry has good speed and cover side line to side line. Speed makes a D nasty. It's a good move. That's a damn good definition. Hybrid versatility is very desired today. DC's LOVE them. But when you are the GM, first round picks have to have some solidity to them. Grounded solid pick minimum is the goal. I'll take that solid pure position guy all day long versus hybrid when my butt is on the line as GM. I told you Murray was the Simmons consolation prize. He lines up all over the first level on the defense. You will end up liking him. His sideline to sideline film alone is Crazy.
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Post by frozendisc on Apr 24, 2020 8:05:23 GMT -7
i get the herbert pick as I think about it more. QB was PON. herbert fit that. But with the first pick you have to have BPA included. So get the BPA who fits our Positions of need the most. The Bolts saw Herbert as that fit. To be fair Simmons would of been a bit of a luxury pick, but a damn good one. It would have set the D up for several years. Murry has good speed and cover side line to side line. Speed makes a D nasty. It's a good move. That's a damn good definition. Hybrid versatility is very desired today. DC's LOVE them. But when you are the GM, first round picks have to have some solidity to them. Grounded solid pick minimum is the goal. I'll take that solid pure position guy all day long versus hybrid when my butt is on the line as GM. I told you Murray was the Simmons consolation prize. He lines up all over the first level on the defense. You will end up liking him. His sideline to sideline film alone is Crazy. It isn't the 23rd pick that concerns me, it is the 6th......
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 24, 2020 8:13:37 GMT -7
That's a damn good definition. Hybrid versatility is very desired today. DC's LOVE them. But when you are the GM, first round picks have to have some solidity to them. Grounded solid pick minimum is the goal. I'll take that solid pure position guy all day long versus hybrid when my butt is on the line as GM. I told you Murray was the Simmons consolation prize. He lines up all over the first level on the defense. You will end up liking him. His sideline to sideline film alone is Crazy. It isn't the 23rd pick that concerns me, it is the 6th...... I said it had to be done. It did have to be done. Then it was done. I can't help it !!!!! Hell, I might AGREE with you that some of these guys like Simmons were better talent than Herbert. That positional value coupled with PON was just way more than Telesco or any other GM could bear. There was really zero choice.
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Post by jwr10x on Apr 24, 2020 8:27:42 GMT -7
It isn't the 23rd pick that concerns me, it is the 6th...... I said it had to be done. It did have to be done. Then it was done. I can't help it !!!!! Hell, I might AGREE with you that some of these guys like Simmons were better talent than Herbert. That positional value coupled with PON was just way more than Telesco or any other GM could bear. There was really zero choice. That same scenario explains how we ended up with Fluker. Time proved that to be a reach pick that did not work out and help create the problems on the OL to this day. Buluga is average and is still an upgrade over Tevi & Scott. With picks in round 1-3 spent I can't see any OL help coming that will be able to start over Pipkins at LT. Guess the silver lining is both Tyrod & Herbert are mobile but we need to hope they can be accurate on the run and not just tuck it and run panic mode.
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Post by frozendisc on Apr 24, 2020 8:30:14 GMT -7
It isn't the 23rd pick that concerns me, it is the 6th...... I said it had to be done. It did have to be done. Then it was done. I can't help it !!!!! Hell, I might AGREE with you that some of these guys like Simmons were better talent than Herbert. That positional value coupled with PON was just way more than Telesco or any other GM could bear. There was really zero choice. There were plenty of choices...... Bolts walked away from better talent to address a need, Herbert has talent, but this feels like a reach..... If the 6th overall pick cannot beat out Taylor, God help us all.....
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Post by afboltfan on Apr 24, 2020 8:30:22 GMT -7
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