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Post by HollywoodHerbie Hairbear on Nov 14, 2020 1:04:23 GMT -7
“Herbert is Ballin!”
Said “in thread title is found and clip it is a must see boys
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 14, 2020 6:03:44 GMT -7
It was TT and Spanos all along...
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Post by moekid on Nov 14, 2020 7:51:49 GMT -7
It was TT and Spanos all along... Just comparing our game at TN last season to PR’s game against TN this season says it all. PR is gone but the Chargers still find incredible ways to lose. Put him on a team that doesn’t self destruct like that and it’s a different story for PR |
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 14, 2020 8:49:24 GMT -7
I would easily trade PR for Herbert, we got lucky and PR is finding success. The media is correct I think... Its the Chargers... Is it Lynn and the Chargers? Or is it TT and Spanos? I still think Lynn is a good coach, just not a good head coach, TT on the other hand needs to go as well.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 14, 2020 9:25:27 GMT -7
I would easily trade PR for Herbert, we got lucky and PR is finding success. The media is correct I think... Its the Chargers... Is it Lynn and the Chargers? Or is it TT and Spanos? I still think Lynn is a good coach, just not a good head coach, TT on the other hand needs to go as well. Lynn has shown he is not HC material. TT has shown he can manage all things required of a GM. Obviously new HC and coaching staff is likely, it is the cost of losing. The question is does TT go as well. My though is it all depends on a couple things, all revolving around J Spanos. Is J Spanos ready to do all things needed from a GM, and does he even want to be GM. If you say yes/yes, then TT is gone. Any 'no' answers and TT stays.
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 14, 2020 10:33:54 GMT -7
I would easily trade PR for Herbert, we got lucky and PR is finding success. The media is correct I think... Its the Chargers... Is it Lynn and the Chargers? Or is it TT and Spanos? I still think Lynn is a good coach, just not a good head coach, TT on the other hand needs to go as well. Lynn has shown he is not HC material. TT has shown he can manage all things required of a GM. Obviously new HC and coaching staff is likely, it is the cost of losing. The question is does TT go as well. My though is it all depends on a couple things, all revolving around J Spanos. Is J Spanos ready to do all things needed from a GM, and does he even want to be GM. If you say yes/yes, then TT is gone. Any 'no' answers and TT stays. The 3 overwhelming constants in Charger mediocrity and failure is Spanos, AJ, and TT... Any Spanos taking over GM duties would be the end of the franchise IMHO. TT has failed to protect Rivers and has only brought failed coaches and injury prone players. I don't think TT has really shown anything other than how to be a mediocre GM.
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Post by lightsout42 on Nov 14, 2020 11:32:44 GMT -7
Lynn has shown he is not HC material. TT has shown he can manage all things required of a GM. Obviously new HC and coaching staff is likely, it is the cost of losing. The question is does TT go as well. My though is it all depends on a couple things, all revolving around J Spanos. Is J Spanos ready to do all things needed from a GM, and does he even want to be GM. If you say yes/yes, then TT is gone. Any 'no' answers and TT stays. The 3 overwhelming constants in Charger mediocrity and failure is Spanos, AJ, and TT... Any Spanos taking over GM duties would be the end of the franchise IMHO. TT has failed to protect Rivers and has only brought failed coaches and injury prone players. I don't think TT has really shown anything other than how to be a mediocre GM. The only constant is that one or more members of the Spanos family are involved in key operations. TT has made some bad decisions but overall has made many good ones. Is it time to see if someone else can build a better roster? That depends on if you think the next guy can consistently add a small margin of improvement. The downside is that if you are wrong, you lose a consistently good GM. The head coaches have been generally bad in the Spanos era, with a few decent to good ones. Anthony Lynn is neither a decent nor good head coach. And the vast majority of coordinators and position coaches are similarly neither decent nor good. The entire coaching staff is, on balance, awful. The few potentially brights spots doesn’t change the analysis. |
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 14, 2020 12:08:31 GMT -7
The 3 overwhelming constants in Charger mediocrity and failure is Spanos, AJ, and TT... Any Spanos taking over GM duties would be the end of the franchise IMHO. TT has failed to protect Rivers and has only brought failed coaches and injury prone players. I don't think TT has really shown anything other than how to be a mediocre GM. The only constant is that one or more members of the Spanos family are involved in key operations. TT has made some bad decisions but overall has made many good ones. Is it time to see if someone else can build a better roster? That depends on if you think the next guy can consistently add a small margin of improvement. The downside is that if you are wrong, you lose a consistently good GM. The head coaches have been generally bad in the Spanos era, with a few decent to good ones. Anthony Lynn is neither a decent nor good head coach. And the vast majority of coordinators and position coaches are similarly neither decent nor good. The entire coaching staff is, on balance, awful. The few potentially brights spots doesn’t change the analysis. Thats ok because TT is not a consistently good GM...
Under TT we've had Mike McCoy and now Lynn, I know I don't have to rehash their records with the Chargers.
Since 2013 we are 53/59 wins/losses and 2 divisional playoff losses... the picture of mediocrity...
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Post by lightsout42 on Nov 14, 2020 12:10:12 GMT -7
I don’t think the data support a view that TT is not a good GM. He isn’t a great GM, but I think on balance he’s been good.
We have no idea how involved he is in coaching staff evaluation and hires.
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Post by totallybolted on Nov 14, 2020 17:13:05 GMT -7
Lynn has shown he is not HC material. TT has shown he can manage all things required of a GM. Obviously new HC and coaching staff is likely, it is the cost of losing. The question is does TT go as well. My though is it all depends on a couple things, all revolving around J Spanos. Is J Spanos ready to do all things needed from a GM, and does he even want to be GM. If you say yes/yes, then TT is gone. Any 'no' answers and TT stays. The 3 overwhelming constants in Charger mediocrity and failure is Spanos, AJ, and TT... Any Spanos taking over GM duties would be the end of the franchise IMHO. TT has failed to protect Rivers and has only brought failed coaches and injury prone players. I don't think TT has really shown anything other than how to be a mediocre GM. HC is usually the owners call, not the GM. Owners fire coaches, not the GM. The rest of the coaching staff falls on the HC.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 14, 2020 17:48:32 GMT -7
The 3 overwhelming constants in Charger mediocrity and failure is Spanos, AJ, and TT... Any Spanos taking over GM duties would be the end of the franchise IMHO. TT has failed to protect Rivers and has only brought failed coaches and injury prone players. I don't think TT has really shown anything other than how to be a mediocre GM. The only constant is that one or more members of the Spanos family are involved in key operations. TT has made some bad decisions but overall has made many good ones. Is it time to see if someone else can build a better roster? That depends on if you think the next guy can consistently add a small margin of improvement. The downside is that if you are wrong, you lose a consistently good GM. The head coaches have been generally bad in the Spanos era, with a few decent to good ones. Anthony Lynn is neither a decent nor good head coach. And the vast majority of coordinators and position coaches are similarly neither decent nor good. The entire coaching staff is, on balance, awful. The few potentially brights spots doesn’t change the analysis. I believe family involved in operations is usually a mistake. Is the 'next' GM named J Spanos? Consistently choosing bad HC's does seem to go along with the general perception of Spanos' (Dad) management skills.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 14, 2020 17:52:22 GMT -7
The 3 overwhelming constants in Charger mediocrity and failure is Spanos, AJ, and TT... Any Spanos taking over GM duties would be the end of the franchise IMHO. TT has failed to protect Rivers and has only brought failed coaches and injury prone players. I don't think TT has really shown anything other than how to be a mediocre GM. HC is usually the owners call, not the GM. Owners fire coaches, not the GM. The rest of the coaching staff falls on the HC. It has been my experience that owners make the HC decision, and in fact, I have never known of an instance when they did not. Owners might reach out for guidance or counsel from a variety of sources, but in the end, they decide. I have seen an owner decide to fire a HC, and delegate that nasty task to his GM.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 15, 2020 2:29:19 GMT -7
I would easily trade PR for Herbert, we got lucky and PR is finding success. The media is correct I think... Its the Chargers... Is it Lynn and the Chargers? Or is it TT and Spanos? I still think Lynn is a good coach, just not a good head coach, TT on the other hand needs to go as well. We just going off the rails now. What have they done to us......................................................
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 15, 2020 2:33:57 GMT -7
I'm as pissed as anyone. But allow me to caution here on Tom Telesco.
The Emperor will warn you that he is absolutely one guy that you don't know what you miss until he is gone. There's a lot worse out there...........
Trust me , as you have learned to do.
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 15, 2020 5:31:18 GMT -7
If McCoy and Lynn are not TT's fault then so be it, and based on that I def wouldn't trust Spanos to bring in a better GM. Unless it was a proven HC/GM like Belichick, which of course won't happen. I dislike more TT drafts than I like, but I do know there are worse GM's our there.
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