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Post by frozendisc on Nov 15, 2020 8:25:46 GMT -7
If McCoy and Lynn are not TT's fault then so be it, and based on that I def wouldn't trust Spanos to bring in a better GM. Unless it was a proven HC/GM like Belichick, which of course won't happen. I dislike more TT drafts than I like, but I do know there are worse GM's our there. I would not be surprised if Lynn stays, so I really do not see TT getting fired. Drafting is a collaborative exercise, and when that collaboration includes the voice of an owner, things get tricky. Without being part of the process it is pure speculation on exactly which opinion is driving the poor choices, and which the better choices. I actually think TT is the better evaluator, and better at drafting, but that could just be a manifestation of my disapproval of ownership involved in the process, and therefore unfair to J Spanos. Fire TT and promote J Spanos......will not take but a few drafts to know.
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Post by HollywoodHerbie Hairbear on Nov 17, 2020 18:32:51 GMT -7
You all watch the video in the original post??
“Herberts arm is like laser guided Missiles”
“He’s not only good in the pocket, if you give him time it’s a JOKE. It’s a massacre.”
Rare you see these two dudes both agreeing on one thing. I don’t k kw crap about college ball, so all the rooks were just names to be. But now that it’s over I am so glad the Phins took TUA and forced us into Herbert. I think k Lynn and TT if given the chance would’ve drafted tua. Though, if they saw how he’s playing now, hell he’d not only go 1 overall but I beg some team would give up like 3 1’s to move to get him. We don’t have a lot to look forward to football wise boys, so I know I for one am so thankful we got my BOI HollywoodHerbie Hairbear
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Post by totallybolted on Nov 17, 2020 21:08:17 GMT -7
You all watch the video in the original post?? “ Herberts arm is like laser guided Missiles”“He’s not only good in the pocket, if you give him time it’s a JOKE. It’s a massacre.” Rare you see these two dudes both agreeing on one thing. I don’t k kw crap about college ball, so all the rooks were just names to be. But now that it’s over I am so glad the Phins took TUA and forced us into Herbert. I think k Lynn and TT if given the chance would’ve drafted tua. Though, if they saw how he’s playing now, hell he’d not only go 1 overall but I beg some team would give up like 3 1’s to move to get him. We don’t have a lot to look forward to football wise boys, so I know I for one am so thankful we got my BOI HollywoodHerbie Hairbear well...his laser is out of calibration it seems with some of those throws he made last game
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Post by ChargingBolts on Nov 17, 2020 22:11:26 GMT -7
T.T. needs to accept his weaknesses, he needs to delegate and stay away from drafting/free agent O.L. and hiring Coaches.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 18, 2020 7:47:41 GMT -7
You all watch the video in the original post?? “ Herberts arm is like laser guided Missiles”“He’s not only good in the pocket, if you give him time it’s a JOKE. It’s a massacre.” Rare you see these two dudes both agreeing on one thing. I don’t k kw crap about college ball, so all the rooks were just names to be. But now that it’s over I am so glad the Phins took TUA and forced us into Herbert. I think k Lynn and TT if given the chance would’ve drafted tua. Though, if they saw how he’s playing now, hell he’d not only go 1 overall but I beg some team would give up like 3 1’s to move to get him. We don’t have a lot to look forward to football wise boys, so I know I for one am so thankful we got my BOI HollywoodHerbie Hairbear well...his laser is out of calibration it seems with some of those throws he made last game I don't think you are giving enough credit to Miami's defence, as they really are good in general, but especially against the pass. Add in how bad the Charger OL plays, and I am surprised Herbert did as well as he did.
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Post by lightsout42 on Nov 18, 2020 8:38:04 GMT -7
T.T. needs to accept his weaknesses, he needs to delegate and stay away from drafting/free agent O.L. and hiring Coaches. How do you know it’s his weakness, and that he is exclusively responsible for those things? |
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Post by lightsout42 on Nov 18, 2020 8:38:37 GMT -7
well...his laser is out of calibration it seems with some of those throws he made last game I don't think you are giving enough credit to Miami's defence, as they really are good in general, but especially against the pass. Add in how bad the Charger OL plays, and I am surprised Herbert did as well as he did. Indeed, Flores is building a good team in Miami. |
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 18, 2020 9:12:57 GMT -7
T.T. needs to accept his weaknesses, he needs to delegate and stay away from drafting/free agent O.L. and hiring Coaches. How do you know it’s his weakness, and that he is exclusively responsible for those things? I cannot think of one OL player that has been drafted while TT has been GM that developed into a starting level player. The failure is clear..... The nuance you imply is fair. All draft picks are a result of the collaboration of the system utilized by the club, with the final decision when a consensus doesn't exist being made by whom? TT, J Spanos.....flip of the coin? We will never know. I will say this, if that decision is not being made by the same person each year, then it is the system that brings the failure.
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Post by cthommes on Nov 18, 2020 9:38:45 GMT -7
It's definitely not flip of the coin. That would imply at least SOME success rate...
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Post by lightsout42 on Nov 18, 2020 9:58:39 GMT -7
How do you know it’s his weakness, and that he is exclusively responsible for those things? I cannot think of one OL player that has been drafted while TT has been GM that developed into a starting level player. The failure is clear..... The nuance you imply is fair. All draft picks are a result of the collaboration of the system utilized by the club, with the final decision when a consensus doesn't exist being made by whom? TT, J Spanos.....flip of the coin? We will never know. I will say this, if that decision is not being made by the same person each year, then it is the system that brings the failure. To be sure, I do think TT has to own drafts. It’s been abysmal with respect to OL. However, I am not convinced that delegating OL drafting is necessarily better. He should live with it. And if he fails, he should be replaced. But not unless and until there is a clear path to materially better results. Contra HC/Lynn, where not having a head coach at all likely wouldn’t change the results. |
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Post by totallybolted on Nov 18, 2020 11:14:40 GMT -7
well...his laser is out of calibration it seems with some of those throws he made last game I don't think you are giving enough credit to Miami's defence, as they really are good in general, but especially against the pass. Add in how bad the Charger OL plays, and I am surprised Herbert did as well as he did. quite the contrary. I think I'm the only who brought up the play of Miami's DB's. However, I think it blind to not point out Herbert made some basic mistakes in his throwing technique. The plus side is, those are coachable.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 18, 2020 20:43:58 GMT -7
I cannot think of one OL player that has been drafted while TT has been GM that developed into a starting level player. The failure is clear..... The nuance you imply is fair. All draft picks are a result of the collaboration of the system utilized by the club, with the final decision when a consensus doesn't exist being made by whom? TT, J Spanos.....flip of the coin? We will never know. I will say this, if that decision is not being made by the same person each year, then it is the system that brings the failure. To be sure, I do think TT has to own drafts. It’s been abysmal with respect to OL. However, I am not convinced that delegating OL drafting is necessarily better. He should live with it. And if he fails, he should be replaced. But not unless and until there is a clear path to materially better results. Contra HC/Lynn, where not having a head coach at all likely wouldn’t change the results. If TT is actually making the decisions, then by all means he should own the failure. But if he is not making those decisions, and is just getting the blame because he is GM, then the issue runs deeper than what can be fixed easily. Owners rarely fire their children.....
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 19, 2020 3:17:53 GMT -7
It's definitely not flip of the coin. That would imply at least SOME success rate... Can we switch to flip of the coin ? Please ?
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 19, 2020 7:02:30 GMT -7
It's definitely not flip of the coin. That would imply at least SOME success rate... Can we switch to flip of the coin ? Please ? That's how we got Herbert... It was either him or a new water boy.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 19, 2020 8:16:47 GMT -7
Can we switch to flip of the coin ? Please ? That's how we got Herbert... It was either him or a new water boy. Give credit where it is deserved, the Bolts made a great call in picking Herbert. I would have gone Simmons, who is a solid player, but nowhere near the value found in a franchise QB.
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