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Post by afboltfan on May 20, 2021 8:35:56 GMT -7
Will there be the same litmus test for Palmer that we have for Murray? The guy was a rookie for gosh sakes under a terrible head coach and overrated (by some) DC.
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Post by frozendisc on May 20, 2021 8:41:27 GMT -7
Will there be the same litmus test for Palmer that we have for Murray? The guy was a rookie for gosh sakes under a terrible head coach and overrated (by some) DC. Great comparison......as Palmer had less than metrics, but was given the exception of also being saddled with terrible QB play.
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Post by chargerfreak on May 20, 2021 8:49:05 GMT -7
Can't you give rookies a chance ? He is no longer a rookie...... You keeping or releasing? 2nd year on a rookie salary ? Keeping.
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Post by chargerfreak on May 20, 2021 8:51:30 GMT -7
Will there be the same litmus test for Palmer that we have for Murray? The guy was a rookie for gosh sakes under a terrible head coach and overrated (by some) DC. Is Palmer going to be trying to tackle guys 20 yards down the field too ? Palmer can be very average his first year with way more leeway here. You are comparing a third round pick versus a first round pick that we sacrificed a 2nd round pick to move up for. Night and day.
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Post by frozendisc on May 20, 2021 8:52:16 GMT -7
He is no longer a rookie...... You keeping or releasing? 2nd year on a rookie salary ? Keeping. The question was essentially rhetorical, as most see the talent Murray has, and even you join the masses in keeping him.
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Post by frozendisc on May 20, 2021 8:55:25 GMT -7
Will there be the same litmus test for Palmer that we have for Murray? The guy was a rookie for gosh sakes under a terrible head coach and overrated (by some) DC. Is Palmer going to be trying to tackle guys 20 yards down the field too ? Palmer can be very average his first year with way more leeway here. You are comparing a third round pick versus a first round pick that we sacrificed a 2nd round pick to move up for. Night and day. Palmer might be, if Herbert throws the ball to the defender......ha ha ha Isn't it 'the higher the pick, the more leeway given'.....as the club really prays that potential shows up. Sorta like the Lamp years.....
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Post by joemcrugby on May 20, 2021 8:59:42 GMT -7
I didn’t have a strategy per se. I’m not a draftnik. I criticized when you were talking about WR in rounds 1 and 2 because I felt there were much bigger needs to be filled at the top of the draft due to the fact that the WR position wasn’t in as bad shape as either OT and CB. As such, WR additions could be filled via free agency and after the two bigger needs were addressed. Third round is pretty good when LT and CB were hurting. You can look at it like if LT and CB were good, they would have went WR in the first, huh ? Seems logical, doesn't it ? hmmmmmmmmmmmm Not to me. OT and CB had to be addressed first. Using one of the 3rd round picks on a wideout? Sure, why not. I would have been good with using one of the 3rd round picks on an edge rusher as well. Those were both needs, but not huge needs like OT and CB, and finding difference makers at left tackle and CB are much rarer in the 3rd round than finding a solid / difference making WR. |
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Post by woodeye on May 20, 2021 9:14:16 GMT -7
Re Murray and Palmer, won't you consider this.
Draft capital invested and expectations.
As we know, Murray cost us plenty, was much hyped, and underperformed initially.
Look for season #2 to be a killer.
Palmer was thought to be either overdrafted or undervalued, in that only those with scout's eyes have surprisingly seen great potential. Here's our stealth pick who will come on strong.
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Post by chargerfreak on May 20, 2021 9:44:44 GMT -7
Third round is pretty good when LT and CB were hurting. You can look at it like if LT and CB were good, they would have went WR in the first, huh ? Seems logical, doesn't it ? hmmmmmmmmmmmm OT and CB had to be addressed first. Using one of the 3rd round picks on a wideout? Sure, why not. I would have been good with using one of the 3rd round picks on an edge rusher as well. Those were both needs, but not huge needs like OT and CB, and finding difference makers at left tackle and CB are much rarer in the 3rd round than finding a solid / difference making WR. Its not logical to you ? They took the WR next. If they were good at LT and CB, who would they have taken first ? A punter ?
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Post by chargerfreak on May 20, 2021 9:46:10 GMT -7
Re Murray and Palmer, won't you consider this. Draft capital invested and expectations.
As we know, Murray cost us plenty, was much hyped, and underperformed initially. Look for season #2 to be a killer. Palmer was thought to be either overdrafted or undervalued, in that only those with scout's eyes have surprisingly seen great potential. Here's our stealth pick who will come on strong. Its pretty simple folks. When you are not arguing just to argue. Facts versus fiction.
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Post by jwr10x on May 20, 2021 9:58:40 GMT -7
I think some are being a bit hard on Murray. You seem to forget that we did not have a training camp last year so he started out slow. Add in the fact Dre Tranquill was lost in week 1 so Murray was thrown into a bigger role than he was ready for. Remember that position was responsible for calling the D plays in Bradley's defense. Murray improved over the last several games starting with the Patriot game.
I expect his second year with an off season, training camp and a new defense brought in Murray should be solid this year.
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Post by joemcrugby on May 20, 2021 10:24:34 GMT -7
I think some are being a bit hard on Murray. You seem to forget that we did not have a training camp last year so he started out slow. Add in the fact Dre Tranquill was lost in week 1 so Murray was thrown into a bigger role than he was ready for. Remember that position was responsible for calling the D plays in Bradley's defense. Murray improved over the last several games starting with the Patriot game. I expect his second year with an off season, training camp and a new defense brought in Murray should be solid this year. In addition to playing in a system that did not fit his strengths (being a seek and destroy missile), Murray played injured as well. He had shoulder surgery right after the season ended. I am confident that Staley & company will unleash Murray and others with a new defensive scheme. |
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Post by chargerfreak on May 20, 2021 10:26:20 GMT -7
I think some are being a bit hard on Murray. You seem to forget that we did not have a training camp last year so he started out slow. Add in the fact Dre Tranquill was lost in week 1 so Murray was thrown into a bigger role than he was ready for. Remember that position was responsible for calling the D plays in Bradley's defense. Murray improved over the last several games starting with the Patriot game. I expect his second year with an off season, training camp and a new defense brought in Murray should be solid this year. I'm certainly not being hard. Or is the truth "being hard" ? So we are clear, I think he has the athletics, I know we paid a crap load of draft capital for him, I know he did not live up to it in year 1, I know I want him to excel in year 2. For some added "being hard", he DARED to don #56. He chose Lawrence Taylor's number, AND he spoke out loud about it. You pop off about the greatest linebacker's jersey to ever play the game. Well, you have to bring some ass to have some ass. You do that and you better try to be LT. You are not going to, but half of LT ?? Is that too much to ask ?
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Post by afboltfan on May 20, 2021 10:43:46 GMT -7
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Post by sdc on May 20, 2021 10:54:20 GMT -7
Will there be the same litmus test for Palmer that we have for Murray? The guy was a rookie for gosh sakes under a terrible head coach and overrated (by some) DC. Gus Bradley sucked balls for us. His conservative bend but don't break, doesn't have a blitz in the playbook philosophy took a top ten talented defense and produced mediocrity. His only saving grace is that he is taking his ball sucking the the Las Vegas Raiders.
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