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Post by ohioboltfan on May 21, 2021 14:12:45 GMT -7
I'd say the WR's we drafted last year were def a disappointment... I'm still on the Tyron Johnson bandwagon though, I think its just me and I'm driving to McDonald's for some job applications... What level of expectation did you have for a 5th round and a 7th round draft pick that they could actually disappoint in their rookie seasons? That is a good question, SDC, especially because I'm all about letting young players develop. But the answer is my expectations are for drafted players to outplay undrafted players. Guyton and Johnson outperformed Reed and Hill last year. Hopefully all four of them improve and contribute much this year. Hopefully our new coaching staff knows how to use players according to their strengths and can develop players. The last coaching staff was 0 for 2 in those departments.
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Post by joemcrugby on May 21, 2021 15:17:04 GMT -7
What level of expectation did you have for a 5th round and a 7th round draft pick that they could actually disappoint in their rookie seasons? That is a good question, SDC, especially because I'm all about letting young players develop. But the answer is my expectations are for drafted players to outplay undrafted players. Guyton and Johnson outperformed Reed and Hill last year. Hopefully all four of them improve and contribute much this year. Hopefully our new coaching staff knows how to use players according to their strengths and can develop players. The last coaching staff was 0 for 2 in those departments. That’s absolutely true, but both Guyton and Johnson were in regular OTA’s, NFL training camps and played preseason games in 2019. Neither Hill nor Reed have had that opportunity. Having said that, their heads are on the cutting block in 2021 so they’ll be on the streets in short order if they don’t massively improve over the next 3 months. |
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Post by joemcrugby on May 21, 2021 17:51:54 GMT -7
I live 4 miles from the Falcon's facility. My son's middle school is literally across the street from it. The Falcon's are in cap hell. They don't have enough space to sign all their rookies yet. They drafted Pitt's instead of Justin Fields because they think they can still win Matt Ryan. Ryan and Julio eat up half of their cap space. They have to move one and on draft day it became clear which it would be. They are just wanting until June 1. My guess is that they get pennies on the dollar. The Falcons got a 2nd round pick when they traded 30-year-old Mohamed Sanu in 2019. I expect that they’ll get at least that from somebody for Julio Jones. From SI today regarding the possibility of the Packers trading for Jones: Could the Packers make a hypothetical trade happen? It was an idea explored by Pro Football Talk, which went deep into its thesaurus to find the word “prestidigitation” to describe the obstacles toward making it happen. A high-ranking team executive said he’d give Falcons second- and fourth-round choices for Jones. The assumption, he said, is the Falcons would want a first-round pick. “Giving up a one is too much,” he said via text. “Honestly, a two is too much but it’s the price, I’m sure.” www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/packers-possible-julio-jones |
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Post by headtrip on May 21, 2021 18:06:20 GMT -7
I’d give up a 2 for Julio all day, the man was elite last year and probably will be again this year. He’s the kind of guy that can play until he’s 40 IMO.
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Post by joemcrugby on May 21, 2021 18:29:55 GMT -7
I’d give up a 2 for Julio all day, the man was elite last year and probably will be again this year. He’s the kind of guy that can play until he’s 40 IMO. Elite last year? He missed 7 games in 2020 and only had 3 TD receptions. His production wasn’t much better than MDub’s with JJ being the focus of the Falcons air attack. And the Packer executive said a 2nd & a 4th is what he’d be willing to trade. It’s going to be several teams bidding for his services, so I’d be very wary of getting into a bidding war for his services at this stage of his career. Chargers luck with trading for / signing free agents on the wrong side of 30 hasn’t been something to be proud of over the recent past. |
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Post by headtrip on May 21, 2021 19:25:58 GMT -7
I’d give up a 2 for Julio all day, the man was elite last year and probably will be again this year. He’s the kind of guy that can play until he’s 40 IMO. Elite last year? He missed 7 games in 2020 and only had 3 TD receptions. His production wasn’t much better than MDub’s with JJ being the focus of the Falcons air attack. And the Packer executive said a 2nd & a 4th is what he’d be willing to trade. It’s going to be several teams bidding for his services, so I’d be very wary of getting into a bidding war for his services at this stage of his career. Chargers luck with trading for / signing free agents on the wrong side of 30 hasn’t been something to be proud of over the recent past. More catches and yards in 9 games than MW had in 15. |
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Post by joemcrugby on May 21, 2021 19:59:28 GMT -7
Elite last year? He missed 7 games in 2020 and only had 3 TD receptions. His production wasn’t much better than MDub’s with JJ being the focus of the Falcons air attack. And the Packer executive said a 2nd & a 4th is what he’d be willing to trade. It’s going to be several teams bidding for his services, so I’d be very wary of getting into a bidding war for his services at this stage of his career. Chargers luck with trading for / signing free agents on the wrong side of 30 hasn’t been something to be proud of over the recent past. More catches and yards in 9 games than MW had in 15. JJ was the focus of the Falcons passing attack, had roughly the same TD’s per game, and the same YPC. For all the crap that MDub has caught on this board for the money he’s making, JJ was hardly elite in 2020, but that could have been an anomaly. We’ll see if the Chargers get in a bidding war for him and pretty much burn all of their available cap space on him. Jones is a great receiver without question, but this would be an “all in” move by a team that is not in a position to go all in. I could see a team like the Packers going all in for one more shot at a ring with Rodgers (and to make him happy), so there will be competition IMO. |
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Post by headtrip on May 21, 2021 20:35:11 GMT -7
More catches and yards in 9 games than MW had in 15. JJ was the focus of the Falcons passing attack, had roughly the same TD’s per game, and the same YPC. For all the crap that MDub has caught on this board for the money he’s making, JJ was hardly elite in 2020, but that could have been an anomaly. We’ll see if the Chargers get in a bidding war for him and pretty much burn all of their available cap space on him. Jones is a great receiver without question, but this would be an “all in” move by a team that is not in a position to go all in. I could see a team like the Packers going all in for one more shot at a ring with Rodgers (and to make him happy), so there will be competition IMO. Naw a 2nd rounder isn’t an all in move at all, it’s the salary that’s the real issue, but we’ve got Herb on that rookie deal so if we ever wanted to make such a move, now is the time. I was looking through our 2nds... woof. 2020- trade for Murray 2019- Adderly 2018- Nwosu 2017- Lamp 2016- Henry 2015- Perryman 2014- Attaochu 2013- Teo Murray still looks promising and HH worked out fairly well, but come on, odds of us getting better value out of a 2nd than Julio Jones is slim to none. |
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Post by woodeye on May 21, 2021 21:15:33 GMT -7
Would Julio's "production" vis-a-vis Mike Williams "production" result in more W's...or just different optics ?
I would expect other factors to be in play re Mike Williams potential stat line vs JJs.
KA/EK are the main weapons.
JJ has been Matty Ice's #1, inflating his stats.
Mike is a specialized tool.
A new offense.
Further development of Herbert.
Cook instead of HH.
Better MW health.
An expectation of improve route running skills.
ATL's severe cap issue is not our problem.
Our chemistry is.
Respectfully disagree with the Julio to LAC crowd.
We already have two JJ's.
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Post by headtrip on May 21, 2021 21:45:33 GMT -7
I am curious to see what the new staff does with MW. I thought he looked good coming out of college, though he’s been pretty disappointing as a pro so far. Maybe Staley and crew can get more out of him.
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Post by chargerfreak on May 22, 2021 3:14:00 GMT -7
More catches and yards in 9 games than MW had in 15. JJ was the focus of the Falcons passing attack, had roughly the same TD’s per game, and the same YPC . For all the crap that MDub has caught on this board for the money he’s making, JJ was hardly elite in 2020, but that could have been an anomaly. We’ll see if the Chargers get in a bidding war for him and pretty much burn all of their available cap space on him. Jones is a great receiver without question, but this would be an “all in” move by a team that is not in a position to go all in. I could see a team like the Packers going all in for one more shot at a ring with Rodgers (and to make him happy), so there will be competition IMO. And there should be crap for it. I've seen you bash overpaid players, but for MW it's ok ?? Picture JJ drawing CB1 and a safety. Keenan Allen would feast like a beast. Further down the food chain, MW--who I call a WR3-- Would feast as well !!!! Heaven forbid we developed our Rookie Palmer with the luxury of having him WR4 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Post by frozendisc on May 22, 2021 6:58:23 GMT -7
JJ was the focus of the Falcons passing attack, had roughly the same TD’s per game, and the same YPC . For all the crap that MDub has caught on this board for the money he’s making, JJ was hardly elite in 2020, but that could have been an anomaly. We’ll see if the Chargers get in a bidding war for him and pretty much burn all of their available cap space on him. Jones is a great receiver without question, but this would be an “all in” move by a team that is not in a position to go all in. I could see a team like the Packers going all in for one more shot at a ring with Rodgers (and to make him happy), so there will be competition IMO. And there should be crap for it. I've seen you bash overpaid players, but for MW it's ok ?? Picture JJ drawing CB1 and a safety. Keenan Allen would feast like a beast. Further down the food chain, MW--who I call a WR3-- Would feast as well !!!! Heaven forbid we developed our Rookie Palmer with the luxury of having him WR4 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! 14 million is clearly an over payment for MW, but just as clear has been Joe's belief that MW's contract will see an extension that lowers the annual cost. Everyone is constantly clamoring for this WR or that WR.....or RB as well. Sometimes the moves you did not make are the best moves when looking back. The Bolts had plenty of time to consider the decision to keep or walk from MW, they chose keep.....there is a reason, fans just need to trust the decision makers on this one.
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Post by frozendisc on May 22, 2021 8:25:42 GMT -7
I hope so, but I have my doubts. MW is not a rookie, we've seen what he brings and its not worth 14/15 Million... I think TT and Staley will regret this decision. There's nothing wrong with MW. I happen to think he is a WR3, that they make play WR2. There is nothing wrong with that kind of player. There is everything wrong with 15 million. Keenan Allen is going to make 15.7 million this year. Let that sink in for a minute. What exactly determines WR1 versus WR2 or 3 ?
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Post by boltnut on May 22, 2021 9:33:15 GMT -7
Keenan Allen is clearly the WR of choice (WR #1). He consistently gets open as one of the best route runners in the NFL. A great asset for a young QB.
I complained about MW cap hit. I thought the money could be used in part to rebuild the OL and in part to re-sign Hunter Henry. Chargers rebuilt their OL and chose to move from HH. I'm cool with that. I would have preferred HH over MW. Of course, it was HH's contract that was up and MW was under contract... so I understand the decision.
Bryan Bulaga's cap space (for next year) can always be used to re-sign MW. As long as MW signs for reasonable price (anything under $10 mil/year) he's worth keeping as a #2 or #3 WR. Josh Palmer was drafted as MW insurance... in case MW sees his value as more than the Chargers can afford.
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Post by cthommes on May 22, 2021 10:34:58 GMT -7
There's nothing wrong with MW. I happen to think he is a WR3, that they make play WR2. There is nothing wrong with that kind of player. There is everything wrong with 15 million. Keenan Allen is going to make 15.7 million this year. Let that sink in for a minute. What exactly determines WR1 versus WR2 or 3 ? Fans and pundits. Reminds me of the Darryl Sutter MO in press conferences. "Coach, what did you think about the third line's performance tonight?" "Which line is that?" |
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