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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 7, 2021 15:16:00 GMT -7
Positive regular season stats mean playoff appearances. Anyone winning super bowls is already working for someone. Then why bother? Playoff appearances is not the end goal. Why do people want more of the same? Jason Garrett has a career record of 87 - 70 (.544) and is 2-3 (.400) in the playoffs never making it out of the divisional round. At least Norval took us to the AFCCG... Garrett couldn't do that with Dallas. You bother because the season starts over every playoffs. You have to get to the playoffs. You cannot win a SB without getting there. Consistent success is important. You want to get to the dance every year and be competitive in it. It raises the odds that you win the championship. If you expect more than that from a mere HC hire then you’re chasing dragons. |
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 7, 2021 15:22:36 GMT -7
Then why bother? Playoff appearances is not the end goal. Why do people want more of the same? Jason Garrett has a career record of 87 - 70 (.544) and is 2-3 (.400) in the playoffs never making it out of the divisional round. At least Norval took us to the AFCCG... Garrett couldn't do that with Dallas. You bother because the season starts over every playoffs. You have to get to the playoffs. You cannot win a SB without getting there. Consistent success is important. You want to get to the dance every year and be competitive in it. It raises the odds that you win the championship. If you expect more than that from a mere HC hire then you’re chasing dragons. But I just showed you that Garrett does not have the consistent success. Where is he rated on your coach wishlist? #1 or #5/#10?
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 7, 2021 15:26:31 GMT -7
Jason Garrett: 10 yrs - 152G - 85W - 67L .559 Worst season was when they lost Romo and Dez. My cluster ranking him is a few posts back. I’m still doing research, and I concede that this is pretty unsettled, but here’s how I would cluster and tier the candidates so far: 1: Bill Belichick 2: Brian Daboll; Jim Harbaugh; Jason Garrett; Jim Caldwell 3: Brian Kelly; David Shaw; Arthur Smith; Robert Saleh 4: Matt Eberflus; Brandon Staley 5: Matt Campbell; Joe Brady; Eric Bieniemy; Pat Fitzgerald Just to keep myself honest, I’m bringing forward the above. Right now, based on everything I’ve read, watched, and gleaned from what’s available, here’s my current ranking: 1. Belichick (yeah, yeah, it’s a dream) 2. Jim Harbaugh; Brian Daboll; Jason Garrett 3. Arthur Smith; Brian Kelly; Dave Toub |
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 7, 2021 15:30:54 GMT -7
You bother because the season starts over every playoffs. You have to get to the playoffs. You cannot win a SB without getting there. Consistent success is important. You want to get to the dance every year and be competitive in it. It raises the odds that you win the championship. If you expect more than that from a mere HC hire then you’re chasing dragons. But I just showed you that Garrett does not have the consistent success. Where is he rated on your coach wishlist? #1 or #5/#10? Here’s Mike Tomlin, a very successful head coach in a great program with above average talent acquisition: www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/TomlMi0.htmSince 2007, *one* SB (2008). 8 of 15 postseason. Do you fire him? |
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Post by joemcrugby on Jan 7, 2021 15:41:18 GMT -7
Garrett only led the Cowboys to the playoffs 3 times over 10 seasons as the head coach. That’s not too impressive.
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 7, 2021 15:48:18 GMT -7
Garrett only led the Cowboys to the playoffs 3 times over 10 seasons as the head coach. That’s not too impressive. I don’t disagree. The coach I want is already working for someone. After Belichick, I’d want Tomlin or Reid. After that, it would be someone who has a 50% + playoff appearance record. But all of those guys have jobs. Poach one or deal in the reality of who is available. |
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 7, 2021 16:01:09 GMT -7
But I just showed you that Garrett does not have the consistent success. Where is he rated on your coach wishlist? #1 or #5/#10? Here’s Mike Tomlin, a very successful head coach in a great program with above average talent acquisition: www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/TomlMi0.htmSince 2007, *one* SB (2008). 8 of 15 postseason. Do you fire him? You can't compare Tomlin to Garrett... I get he (Garrett) is not your first choice which is good, but I think you are selling us short on who else is/could be available.
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 7, 2021 21:16:53 GMT -7
You can't compare Tomlin to Garrett... I get he (Garrett) is not your first choice which is good, but I think you are selling us short on who else is/could be available. My point was that even Tomlin fails your standard over his time in Pittsburgh. |
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 7, 2021 21:21:24 GMT -7
Analysis: Herbert struggled against ambiguous coverages
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 8, 2021 3:06:15 GMT -7
What would you say if I told you Del Rio and Garrett have near the same playoff record and Del Rio did it with an arguably less talented team? Look it up... I'm not on the Del Rio bandwagon because he is more of the same. PASSSSSSS.... Garrett's ONLY positive stat is his regular season record... Which means diddly squat to me. Positive regular season stats mean playoff appearances. Anyone winning super bowls is already working for someone. As we explore the subject deeper, this is a great take.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 8, 2021 3:09:29 GMT -7
Can you guys tell me why you like Jack Del Rio ? I'm not attacking or anything, I would just like to hear the case for him. That's a fair question, Freak, and I think jwr10x gave a good succinct answer of his own but here's mine: He's a tough hombre, very experienced, mostly successful at everything he's done, seems like a good character guy and above all has the mentality I've described in previous posts that I want my Chargers team to emulate from their leader/head coach. Not only has the Washington Redsk, errr, Football Team, thrived under his defensive mentorship but read this brief article about him and tell me what's not to like?: www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/01/06/call-jack-del-rio-ron-rivera-may-be-biggest-reason-washington-won-nfc-east/ He has done a good job with Wash. defense.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 8, 2021 3:12:52 GMT -7
You can't compare Tomlin to Garrett... I get he (Garrett) is not your first choice which is good, but I think you are selling us short on who else is/could be available. You are demanding postseason success, and that guy is not available.
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 8, 2021 7:32:00 GMT -7
You can't compare Tomlin to Garrett... I get he (Garrett) is not your first choice which is good, but I think you are selling us short on who else is/could be available. My point was that even Tomlin fails your standard over his time in Pittsburgh. What is my standard? Post season success? It should be all our standard, but that's not realistic, no head coach is perfect in the playoffs or regular season. My point on Garrett is not necessarily just his win/loss record... He has had several seasons as a HC on a very talented team and could do nothing with them. That means more to me than win/loss, it basically tells me his style or (much like Lynn) his sideline accumen is lacking.
We don't need more of the same...
Give me Meyer, Bienemy, Carmichael, or Brady. Sure they don't have the HC experience, but they arguably have a much better upside.
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 8, 2021 7:32:27 GMT -7
You can't compare Tomlin to Garrett... I get he (Garrett) is not your first choice which is good, but I think you are selling us short on who else is/could be available. , and that guy is not available. As should we all.
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 8, 2021 8:08:00 GMT -7
You are demanding postseason success, and that guy is not available. As should we all. Would you fire Tomlin or not? |
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