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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 2, 2021 7:46:12 GMT -7
I'm not looking to draw swords here. I just said he is rated better in the run game. Because he is. When you have a young star QB, you want his protection. Nobody gives a crap that Ballage is trying to get 2 yards on the left side. Protect the franchise QB. you have to at least consider a RB. I thought the same. ballage is inconsistent, jackson more so, Ekler is starting to look like a constant casualty. He needs someone to take the bigger pounding so he will last the whole year. Get a player like that that forces D's to play the run, Herbie has more opportunity top break their backs That's Freaky Approved !!!! I am also not goo goo gaa gaa about this year's RB free agents.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 2, 2021 9:15:33 GMT -7
Surtain would be a good pick, and certainly addresses a need, but does he address the biggest need? I don't think its the biggest need. It's the old problem. Let's say CB Surtain is a better player than Darrisaw. But Darrisaw would be solid at OT. What do you do ? Which player, Surtain or Darrisaw, brings the most impact to the club. In this case I would say Darrisaw, but regardless of the choice made, there will be those thinking another choice would have been the better choice.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 2, 2021 9:18:23 GMT -7
Interesting you refrained from actually calling Darrisaw bad in pass protection, and wise of you, as he is quite good. Rhetorically speaking, is having a solid run game helping Herbert? You will look where you are told to look, but you know that, eh? I'm not looking to draw swords here. I just said he is rated better in the run game. Because he is. When you have a young star QB, you want his protection. Nobody gives a crap that Ballage is trying to get 2 yards on the left side. Protect the franchise QB. The implication of your post is that Darrisaw's pass protection is less than in some fashion, which I dispute. Darrisaw is solid in both required aspects (run blocking and pass protection) of a NFL level OT.
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 2, 2021 9:26:03 GMT -7
I'm not looking to draw swords here. I just said he is rated better in the run game. Because he is. When you have a young star QB, you want his protection. Nobody gives a crap that Ballage is trying to get 2 yards on the left side. Protect the franchise QB. The implication of your post is that Darrisaw's pass protection is less than in some fashion, which I dispute. Darrisaw is solid in both required aspects (run blocking and pass protection) of a NFL level OT. If he is 4th or 5th or lower in pass protection versus other OT's, then its a pass no thank you. He COULD be number one in run blocking. Yay, but not our primary strategy. Keep Herbert upright. Keep the focus on Herbert. Whatever he needs, we owe it to him, and ourselves.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 2, 2021 9:35:42 GMT -7
The implication of your post is that Darrisaw's pass protection is less than in some fashion, which I dispute. Darrisaw is solid in both required aspects (run blocking and pass protection) of a NFL level OT. If he is 4th or 5th or lower in pass protection versus other OT's, then its a pass no thank you. He COULD be number one in run blocking. Yay, but not our primary strategy. Keep Herbert upright. Keep the focus on Herbert. Whatever he needs, we owe it to him, and ourselves. Your evaluation is incorrect, simply put, you are wrong.
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 2, 2021 10:49:08 GMT -7
If he is 4th or 5th or lower in pass protection versus other OT's, then its a pass no thank you. He COULD be number one in run blocking. Yay, but not our primary strategy. Keep Herbert upright. Keep the focus on Herbert. Whatever he needs, we owe it to him, and ourselves. Your evaluation is incorrect, simply put, you are wrong. Evaluation of you loving Pipkins at LT ?
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 3, 2021 8:21:03 GMT -7
Your evaluation is incorrect, simply put, you are wrong. Evaluation of you loving Pipkins at LT ? Pipkins showed potential, and still does to a degree. We have seen enough to know he is at least reserve level talent, and might become more, might not. Darrisaw would be a day one starter on this roster.......
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Post by afboltfan on Feb 3, 2021 10:21:54 GMT -7
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 3, 2021 11:06:40 GMT -7
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Post by afboltfan on Feb 3, 2021 12:06:30 GMT -7
Lol I didn't mean it to be, I respect Frozen's opinion. We just been burned too many times thinking these guys are more than they really end up being.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 3, 2021 18:55:19 GMT -7
Lol I didn't mean it to be, I respect Frozen's opinion. We just been burned too many times thinking these guys are more than they really end up being. No worries AF......just because Freak tries to instigate doesn't mean we need to play along. The big issue with the OT's is after Sewell, they all have a few aspects that can be used to deride them. So what do you do? Sewell isn't going to be there, so you look at the others, rank them, and watch the board. Personally I do not see an OT being the pick, there will be better talent still there. Freak loves to chat up Surtain, a CB, and he could well be there. Taking a top CB might be the better path if they have no faith in their current CB's. It really depends on the plan. If they resign HH, then no need to look at TE, but if not, then Pitts is a consideration. If they show no interest in MI, then Rousseau is in play. My point is we need to see a few things happen before really getting serious about exactly who would be best at pick 13. Back to the OT's...... If Sewell is gone, and he will be, then it is really likely that six more top OL guys go in the first. If TT did not take an OT in rd 1, then how big of a drop in talent is he looking at when his 2nd rd pick comes about? Being strong on evaluating OL players would be nice, but alas it is not something TT and group appears to be. So the further they get from rd 1, the more likely they miss......it creates quite the conundrum for them. It should be a very interesting off season, with FA moves and the draft especially.
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 4, 2021 2:49:55 GMT -7
Lol I didn't mean it to be, I respect Frozen's opinion. We just been burned too many times thinking these guys are more than they really end up being.
Of course it does.
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 4, 2021 2:52:25 GMT -7
Lol I didn't mean it to be, I respect Frozen's opinion. We just been burned too many times thinking these guys are more than they really end up being. No worries AF......just because Freak tries to instigate doesn't mean we need to play along. The big issue with the OT's is after Sewell, they all have a few aspects that can be used to deride them. So what do you do? Sewell isn't going to be there, so you look at the others, rank them, and watch the board. Personally I do not see an OT being the pick, there will be better talent still there. Freak loves to chat up Surtain, a CB, and he could well be there. Taking a top CB might be the better path if they have no faith in their current CB's. It really depends on the plan. If they resign HH, then no need to look at TE, but if not, then Pitts is a consideration. If they show no interest in MI, then Rousseau is in play. My point is we need to see a few things happen before really getting serious about exactly who would be best at pick 13. Back to the OT's...... If Sewell is gone, and he will be, then it is really likely that six more top OL guys go in the first. If TT did not take an OT in rd 1, then how big of a drop in talent is he looking at when his 2nd rd pick comes about? Being strong on evaluating OL players would be nice, but alas it is not something TT and group appears to be. So the further they get from rd 1, the more likely they miss......it creates quite the conundrum for them. It should be a very interesting off season, with FA moves and the draft especially. I mentioned him one time. You must have a phobia about when I merely type a players name. I wouldn't have it any other way either.
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Post by afboltfan on Feb 4, 2021 7:06:06 GMT -7
CB is a pretty important piece of any championship team... You're not going anywhere with a sorry secondary. If DJ continues to fracture then we'll need more help in that area as Hayward is getting old. I'd love to land Surtain Jr....
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 4, 2021 7:17:09 GMT -7
CB is a pretty important piece of any championship team... You're not going anywhere with a sorry secondary. If DJ continues to fracture then we'll need more help in that area as Hayward is getting old. I'd love to land Surtain Jr.... He's a goody. No disputing that much.
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