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Post by joemcrugby on Jan 23, 2021 13:59:50 GMT -7
True, and outscoring them is a lot easier if they can't score. There are a lot of examples to make either point O or D wins Modern Championships.
Top D appears to make the Championships with greater consistency but you can't be a turd in any aspect and will need some luck to boot.
How many Lombardi's did Air Coryell's #1 offense in 1980 - '83, '85 win?
Yes. But are you going to keep Pat Mahomes under 21 points? Probably not. Outscore him. That doesn’t mean you don’t have to have solid D and ST. You aren’t going to totally stop the Chefs, but you must have the ability to make key stops at important points of the game. The perfect example was in the fourth quarter of the classic December 2018 game after the Chargers scored a TD to cut the lead to 7 points with under 4 minutes left. A Chefs first down effectively ends the game, but the Chargers forced a 3 & out by sacking Mahomes on 3rd down. That key defensive stand gave PR and the offense a chance to pull out the huge W at Arrowhead. One thing that I find interesting is that a big fat zero of the Top 10 scoring offenses dating to the start of the 16 game schedule have won a Lombardi, but 5 of the Top 10 scoring defenses have rings. mcubed.net/nfl/ptmpfpg.shtmlwww.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/which_nfl_teams_have_allowed_the_fewest_points_in_the_16_game_era/s1__32807957And I recognize that the NFL is “a different game now”, but I remember watching that Rams-Chefs shootout a couple of years ago when everybody was pronouncing that this was the new NFL. And yet, the Super Bowl that year ended with a defensive slog that the Patriots defense effectively won. The key to beating the Chefs is balance, and if you can’t effectively put pressure on Mahomes all is lost. The same goes when playing against all top tier QB’s.
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 23, 2021 14:32:56 GMT -7
I think that’s a bit of a strawman. I’ve never said defense wasn’t important to winning big games. My argument is that you need a very good D and ST, with an excellent offense that can outscore the other team.
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Post by sonorajim on Jan 23, 2021 17:30:42 GMT -7
I think that’s a bit of a strawman. I’ve never said defense wasn’t important to winning big games. My argument is that you need a very good D and ST, with an excellent offense that can outscore the other team. I think we can all agree that you have to have more points than the other guy to win. ps: Lynn is the Lions OC!
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Post by moekid on Jan 23, 2021 17:44:07 GMT -7
I think that’s a bit of a strawman. I’ve never said defense wasn’t important to winning big games. My argument is that you need a very good D and ST, with an excellent offense that can outscore the other team. I think we can all agree that you have to have more points than the other guy to win. ps: Lynn is the Lions OC!
Can’t believe Lynn would be hired as an OC. At least Stafford won’t have to live through that
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 24, 2021 1:15:36 GMT -7
Yes. But are you going to keep Pat Mahomes under 21 points? Probably not. Outscore him. That doesn’t mean you don’t have to have solid D and ST. You aren’t going to totally stop the Chefs, but you must have the ability to make key stops at important points of the game. The perfect example was in the fourth quarter of the classic December 2018 game after the Chargers scored a TD to cut the lead to 7 points with under 4 minutes left. A Chefs first down effectively ends the game, but the Chargers forced a 3 & out by sacking Mahomes on 3rd down. That key defensive stand gave PR and the offense a chance to pull out the huge W at Arrowhead. One thing that I find interesting is that a big fat zero of the Top 10 scoring offenses dating to the start of the 16 game schedule have won a Lombardi, but 5 of the Top 10 scoring defenses have rings. mcubed.net/nfl/ptmpfpg.shtmlwww.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/which_nfl_teams_have_allowed_the_fewest_points_in_the_16_game_era/s1__32807957And I recognize that the NFL is “a different game now”, but I remember watching that Rams-Chefs shootout a couple of years ago when everybody was pronouncing that this was the new NFL. And yet, the Super Bowl that year ended with a defensive slog that the Patriots defense effectively won. The key to beating the Chefs is balance, and if you can’t effectively put pressure on Mahomes all is lost. The same goes when playing against all top tier QB’s. Multiple posts later, Freak teacher brings the point home.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 24, 2021 1:17:13 GMT -7
I think that’s a bit of a strawman. I’ve never said defense wasn’t important to winning big games. My argument is that you need a very good D and ST, with an excellent offense that can outscore the other team. I think we can all agree that you have to have more points than the other guy to win. ps: Lynn is the Lions OC!
I'm actually drooling at the opportunity to bet against the Lions next year. Wow.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 24, 2021 1:22:00 GMT -7
In the modern NFL, you have to outscore your opponents. The Chargers need to be able to outscore the Chiefs. That needs all three phases, but what it especially requires is a top 3 offense. They need OL, OL, OL, WR, RB. True, and outscoring them is a lot easier if they can't score. There are a lot of examples to make either point O or D wins Modern Championships.
Top D appears to make the Championships with greater consistency but you can't be a turd in any aspect and will need some luck to boot.
How many Lombardi's did Air Coryell's #1 offense in 1980 - '83, '85 win?
Jim, Jim, Jim Jim..............I'm sure top D did well for decades. We are talking NOW. Do you know the freaking rule changes that have occurred over decades, Air Coryell, the last 5 years, LAST TUESDAY ?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Please refer back to the 4 starting QB's today. Thank you. Thank you very much.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 24, 2021 1:37:16 GMT -7
Ok class. Now that SOME of you had to be dragged through my lessons,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I'm actually giving you all an A+. Only because I did not have to read frozendisc spell Defense-DefenCe. Oh, that really chaps my hide, let me tell ya.
We need to bring the lesson full circle: We can trot right on back to Freak's Draft Lesson titled "General Manager's lose their freaking minds when it comes to Quarterbacks." Now class, is that because defense wins championships ? Of course not. Very good. Now Joe and Jim can have an extra milk before nap time if they can name the four starting QB's today, and the fact their teams scored about 4 trillion points this season.
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 24, 2021 5:24:11 GMT -7
I'm going to make a prediction based off stats and we'll see if I'm correct... Bucs over Pack and Chiefs over Bills.
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Post by HollywoodHerbie Hairbear on Jan 24, 2021 8:19:59 GMT -7
Hey Lions are ahead of us on draft day and now they’ll draft a QB which helps us. Imagine needing a qb?? Would suck. Such a gamble. I remember so many Herbert bust articles, you just don’t know what you are getting.
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Post by HollywoodHerbie Hairbear on Jan 24, 2021 8:23:42 GMT -7
His SECOND phone call after taking the job was to Herbert. Because defense wins championships. Chargers was a coveted coveted coaching job because Bosa plays here. No, that wasn't it. Because Derwin James is on the roster. No no that wasn't it. It was called the best NFL job opening because Herbert is here. Defense wins championships because we are moving Herbert to Safety. Just because the QB is the most important position on the team doesn’t negate the impact of a shut down defense.
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 24, 2021 9:13:23 GMT -7
Ok class. Now that SOME of you had to be dragged through my lessons,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I'm actually giving you all an A+. Only because I did not have to read frozendisc spell Defense-DefenCe. Oh, that really chaps my hide, let me tell ya. We need to bring the lesson full circle: We can trot right on back to Freak's Draft Lesson titled "General Manager's lose their freaking minds when it comes to Quarterbacks." Now class, is that because defense wins championships ? Of course not. Very good. Now Joe and Jim can have an extra milk before nap time if they can name the four starting QB's today, and the fact their teams scored about 4 trillion points this season. Freak's comment "General Manager's lose their freaking minds when it comes to Quarterbacks." applies only to the GM's that lack a franchise QB. The best defence is clearly having an ability to play offence, and that is the formula for defeating Mahomes and his Chiefs.
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Post by moekid on Jan 24, 2021 9:47:38 GMT -7
Is it me or is Staley having trouble filling key coordinator positions for his staff. No OC or DC?
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 24, 2021 10:09:30 GMT -7
Is it me or is Staley having trouble filling key coordinator positions for his staff. No OC or DC? The gap in time from Staley's hire and the OC/DC coordinator hire is getting worrisome. I was expecting those positions to be filled quite quickly, but alas we wait.
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Post by lightsout42 on Jan 24, 2021 11:08:34 GMT -7
The competition for quality coordinators is pretty fierce this year. Hopefully they are willing to pay and do what it takes to get some excellent coaches.
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