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Post by fouts2herbert on Feb 13, 2021 10:11:48 GMT -7
Should the Chargers be planning to recreate a balanced west coast style offense like the kind that Shanahan runs in SF, would a guy like Villanueva be a proper fit? I think even a Sam Tevi might be a better player in a system like that. Guys like Tevi, Feeney, and baluga are a perfect for that type of offense. Smaller, quicker guys, guys like Slater and Darrisaw make sense. They should be trying to recreate whatever the hell style offense just won their QB Rookie of the Year. That's the style of offense you want. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The NFL has changed so much in the 42-43 years (I started watching when I was 9-10) I’ve been following the pro game, it’s enough to make my headspin. But what I saw from the Chargers in 2020 never felt like an offense, a system, or not even a philosophy. It just seemed that they studied defenses came up with something they felt might work and then gave up on it before the end of the 1st quarter and then it was like launching fecal matter at a wall to see what managed to stick. Then they would go back to their plan in the 3rd quarter and it would start all over again. I watched a handful of experts breakdown tape on the chargers and one of the themes that routinely came up was the lack of logic in the play design where Herbert often wasn’t provided a bail out option, routes were badly designed and didn’t create proper spacing, and routes didn’t reflect the situation in the game. They talked about how even when the plays worked they shouldn’t have if a less talented player hadn’t been running for his life before throwing the ball. I understand that given the lack of an offseason that they simplified the playbook once Justin had to start but ironically that’s the part of the season he put up his biggest numbers. Towards the end of the year when he should have been doing even better statistically, he tailed off.
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Post by totallybolted on Feb 13, 2021 10:30:49 GMT -7
They should be trying to recreate whatever the hell style offense just won their QB Rookie of the Year. That's the style of offense you want. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The NFL has changed so much in the 42-43 years (I started watching when I was 9-10) I’ve been following the pro game, it’s enough to make my headspin. But what I saw from the Chargers in 2020 never felt like an offense, a system, or not even a philosophy. It just seemed that they studied defenses came up with something they felt might work and then gave up on it before the end of the 1st quarter and then it was like launching fecal matter at a wall to see what managed to stick. Then they would go back to their plan in the 3rd quarter and it would start all over again. I watched a handful of experts breakdown tape on the chargers and one of the themes that routinely came up was the lack of logic in the play design where Herbert often wasn’t provided a bail out option, routes were badly designed and didn’t create proper spacing, and routes didn’t reflect the situation in the game. They talked about how even when the plays worked they shouldn’t have if a less talented player hadn’t been running for his life before throwing the ball. I understand that given the lack of an offseason that they simplified the playbook once Justin had to start but ironically that’s the part of the season he put up his biggest numbers. Towards the end of the year when he should have been doing even better statistically, he tailed off. Yet the offense wasn't really the problem as much as the D was. The O put up enough points to keep every game with a score, and even ended up just below .500. If Herbert put up the numbers he did within a cess pool of mistakes and poor play, image what will be if they fix any of that by even 20%. The bolts should be killing teams next year, if they get the draft and FA right.
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Post by sonorajim on Feb 13, 2021 10:56:12 GMT -7
They should be trying to recreate whatever the hell style offense just won their QB Rookie of the Year. That's the style of offense you want. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The Bolts did not qualify for the PO's.....if that is not a very solid example of broken, then why all the change eh? Herbert was awesome, the offense, defense and STs were not. He could use more help. No pass blocking is not a style. Losing in 4th quarter is a style we should not recreate. The plays Herbert liked and executed best will be included and expended on with improved blocking.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Feb 13, 2021 13:49:18 GMT -7
The NFL has changed so much in the 42-43 years (I started watching when I was 9-10) I’ve been following the pro game, it’s enough to make my headspin. But what I saw from the Chargers in 2020 never felt like an offense, a system, or not even a philosophy. It just seemed that they studied defenses came up with something they felt might work and then gave up on it before the end of the 1st quarter and then it was like launching fecal matter at a wall to see what managed to stick. Then they would go back to their plan in the 3rd quarter and it would start all over again. I watched a handful of experts breakdown tape on the chargers and one of the themes that routinely came up was the lack of logic in the play design where Herbert often wasn’t provided a bail out option, routes were badly designed and didn’t create proper spacing, and routes didn’t reflect the situation in the game. They talked about how even when the plays worked they shouldn’t have if a less talented player hadn’t been running for his life before throwing the ball. I understand that given the lack of an offseason that they simplified the playbook once Justin had to start but ironically that’s the part of the season he put up his biggest numbers. Towards the end of the year when he should have been doing even better statistically, he tailed off. Yet the offense wasn't really the problem as much as the D was. The O put up enough points to keep every game with a score, and even ended up just below .500. If Herbert put up the numbers he did within a cess pool of mistakes and poor play, image what will be if they fix any of that by even 20%. The bolts should be killing teams next year, if they get the draft and FA right. Yes, the defense was very inconsistent and Bradley’s approach seemed uninspired. But there were so many times that the defense had to keep going right back out onto the field after getting a stop or even a turnover because the offense would basically shut it down at halftime. Just keeping the ball to shorten the game was an issue for the offense. There were just too many three and outs in critical situations to close out games to point the finger exclusively at the defense.
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 14, 2021 2:57:28 GMT -7
They should be trying to recreate whatever the hell style offense just won their QB Rookie of the Year. That's the style of offense you want. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The Bolts did not qualify for the PO's.....if that is not a very solid example of broken, then why all the change eh? Some things were very broken. Special teams was so bad it was embarrassing. There are other areas. When your rookie has the kind of year Herbert had, you HELP him, not CHANGE him.
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 14, 2021 3:05:50 GMT -7
They should be trying to recreate whatever the hell style offense just won their QB Rookie of the Year. That's the style of offense you want. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The NFL has changed so much in the 42-43 years (I started watching when I was 9-10) I’ve been following the pro game, it’s enough to make my headspin. But what I saw from the Chargers in 2020 never felt like an offense, a system, or not even a philosophy. It just seemed that they studied defenses came up with something they felt might work and then gave up on it before the end of the 1st quarter and then it was like launching fecal matter at a wall to see what managed to stick. Then they would go back to their plan in the 3rd quarter and it would start all over again. I watched a handful of experts breakdown tape on the chargers and one of the themes that routinely came up was the lack of logic in the play design where Herbert often wasn’t provided a bail out option, routes were badly designed and didn’t create proper spacing, and routes didn’t reflect the situation in the game. They talked about how even when the plays worked they shouldn’t have if a less talented player hadn’t been running for his life before throwing the ball. I understand that given the lack of an offseason that they simplified the playbook once Justin had to start but ironically that’s the part of the season he put up his biggest numbers. Towards the end of the year when he should have been doing even better statistically, he tailed off. You help him not change him. You football geeks are crazy. "Let's do the Fun N Gun, West Coast, Pistol, RPO, Cross Dressing, Flip Out, 96Q Offense !!!" How about no. Luckily I take great comfort that Staley and Lombardi know what Herbert already likes and excels at, and we are getting more of the same next year. You are a fine student of the NFL. I'm going to keep on keeping shit real for you. Its my glorious, wonderful way.
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Post by afboltfan on Feb 14, 2021 6:06:37 GMT -7
Here is my list, in no particular order or thought as to CAP and price tag (I just want them on the team): Cam Robinson LT Bud Dupree OLBShaq Barrett OLB Brandon Scherff G Joe Thuney G Corey Davis WR Wayne Gallman RB Leonard Fournette RB Marcus Maye FS Leonard Floyd OLB
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 14, 2021 9:07:31 GMT -7
The Bolts did not qualify for the PO's.....if that is not a very solid example of broken, then why all the change eh? Some things were very broken. Special teams was so bad it was embarrassing. There are other areas. When your rookie has the kind of year Herbert had, you HELP him, not CHANGE him. Herbert accomplished what he did because of sheer talent, and that talent is not going away. The best help TT could give Herbert is an OL......
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Post by totallybolted on Feb 14, 2021 9:53:48 GMT -7
Yet the offense wasn't really the problem as much as the D was. The O put up enough points to keep every game with a score, and even ended up just below .500. If Herbert put up the numbers he did within a cess pool of mistakes and poor play, image what will be if they fix any of that by even 20%. The bolts should be killing teams next year, if they get the draft and FA right. Yes, the defense was very inconsistent and Bradley’s approach seemed uninspired. But there were so many times that the defense had to keep going right back out onto the field after getting a stop or even a turnover because the offense would basically shut it down at halftime. Just keeping the ball to shorten the game was an issue for the offense. There were just too many three and outs in critical situations to close out games to point the finger exclusively at the defense. yes. Not discounting the offense as a problem. My point was the D was the bigger problem. If the offense is as bad as many say, then Herbert is a wonderkid. To have one player, make that big of a difference is mind numbing, but its also glorious.
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Post by sonorajim on Feb 14, 2021 10:52:33 GMT -7
Yes, the defense was very inconsistent and Bradley’s approach seemed uninspired. But there were so many times that the defense had to keep going right back out onto the field after getting a stop or even a turnover because the offense would basically shut it down at halftime. Just keeping the ball to shorten the game was an issue for the offense. There were just too many three and outs in critical situations to close out games to point the finger exclusively at the defense. yes. Not discounting the offense as a problem. My point was the D was the bigger problem. If the offense is as bad as many say, then Herbert is a wonderkid. To have one player, make that big of a difference is mind numbing, but its also glorious. Herbert was the best player on the Chargers in 2020. It is glorious. His offensive teammates, the skill players, WR, TE, RB were assets. His OL was a liability.
Defense was a 1st half team. Special Teams were awful. It was a rare and pleasant surprise to open ones eyes to discover they had done something right.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Feb 18, 2021 11:03:08 GMT -7
Yes, the defense was very inconsistent and Bradley’s approach seemed uninspired. But there were so many times that the defense had to keep going right back out onto the field after getting a stop or even a turnover because the offense would basically shut it down at halftime. Just keeping the ball to shorten the game was an issue for the offense. There were just too many three and outs in critical situations to close out games to point the finger exclusively at the defense. yes. Not discounting the offense as a problem. My point was the D was the bigger problem. If the offense is as bad as many say, then Herbert is a wonderkid. To have one player, make that big of a difference is mind numbing, but its also glorious. There might be 11 guys out on the field at any one time, but one special player can make a HUGE difference. We saw how disruptive the rams defense was with a healthy AD and we saw what happened to them in green bay when he wasn’t healthy. Herbert is one of those types of special players.
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Post by BleuMoon on Feb 26, 2021 14:41:43 GMT -7
Nick Martin the Center from Houston just got released. Never missed a start AND only gave up 1 sack. TT, go get'em man!!!
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 27, 2021 3:45:39 GMT -7
Nick Martin the Center from Houston just got released. Never missed a start AND only gave up 1 sack. TT, go get'em man!!! Holy Crap. Did you know that is the Cowboys Zack Martin's brother ?? Just like the Pouncey brothers........................... TT, Pay the Man !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by joemcrugby on Feb 27, 2021 11:38:41 GMT -7
Nick Martin the Center from Houston just got released. Never missed a start AND only gave up 1 sack. TT, go get'em man!!! Definitely a good target and has proved to be durable the past three years after a rough couple of seasons early in his career ala Keenan Allen. Martin missed his entire rookie season with an ankle injury that required surgery. |
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Post by moekid on Feb 27, 2021 12:04:30 GMT -7
Nick Martin the Center from Houston just got released. Never missed a start AND only gave up 1 sack. TT, go get'em man!!! Definitely a good target and has proved to be durable the past three years after a rough couple of seasons early in his career ala Keenan Allen. Martin missed his entire rookie season with an ankle injury that required surgery. Nick Martin or Corey Linsley? |
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