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Post by moekid on Feb 12, 2021 20:42:30 GMT -7
My take on Hunter Henry is he is great at getting open, blocking, and catching the football. Once he catches the football, his skills at "yards after the catch" is minimal. When is the last time you saw HH running freely down the field for a big gain? Compare that to Kelce and Kittle! I think it’s unfair to compare HH to two of the best that have ever played the position. Kittle and Kelce are up there with Winslow, Gates, Bronk, Sharpe, Witten, Gonzalez, Christensen, Newsome, Mackey, Dikta, Coates, etc...I’m sure I’ve left out a few greats. At any one point in time in NFL history there’s only been 2-3 of those types of players active in the entire league! The way I compare Hunter is how does he look compared to the rest of the guys playing today? I honestly think he’s “best of the rest” or one of the top guys in that group, so the question for the organization is if they think that type of player is worth the 10-12 mill a year that the market is going to demand? Kelce and Kittle may be the 2 best right now but they aren’t as good as Winslow, Gates, Gronk and Sharpe. |
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 14, 2021 3:33:10 GMT -7
Staley will definitely have a 'say' and TT will listen before making the final call. Initially I don’t think Staley will have much say, I think the reason they brought in a young guy like that is probably because he is not established enough to make calls on personnel. He’s only been in the league a handful of years and I doubt he feels he has the leverage at this point to push it. Once he’s had some success and established himself, THEN that dynamic will change, but he has to win first. Because of all that I think TT is going to be scrutinized more over the next couple of years than he has in the rest of the time he’s been with the Chargers. How well he drafts, his decisions on who gets extended, who gets to walk, and who they bring in via FA, ALL of that evaluation process is going to be amplified because of the window of opportunity that Herbert represents. Ummmmm, hmmmmmmm, no. TT has earned a LOT of slack on his leash because he drafted Justin Herbert. You get a lot lot of GM love when you draft a Franchise QB. Lots.
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 14, 2021 3:35:32 GMT -7
Posted this prediction a while back and would love to have J.J. Watt in a #99 Bolts uni...Joey & JJ the new bookends (WOW)! Few thoughts: a) Does J.J. want to go play with his bros and that Steelers D? b) Would Derek Watt say enough bad things about Bolts ownership for him to pass on joining our D?c) Are his college ties strong enough to head to Packers--Rodgers will take that team to the playoffs again? d) Would he consider KC or TB as best options to get ring? What say you? Also, future "breaking news"...if not J.J. Watt, Von Miller will become an option (bold prediction) to join our Bolts D. Whoa, was that a great take !
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 14, 2021 3:39:59 GMT -7
My take on Hunter Henry is he is great at getting open, blocking, and catching the football. Once he catches the football, his skills at "yards after the catch" is minimal. When is the last time you saw HH running freely down the field for a big gain? Compare that to Kelce and Kittle! I think it’s unfair to compare HH to two of the best that have ever played the position. Kittle and Kelce are up there with Winslow, Gates, Bronk, Sharpe, Witten, Gonzalez, Christensen, Newsome, Mackey, Dikta, Coates, etc...I’m sure I’ve left out a few greats. At any one point in time in NFL history there’s only been 2-3 of those types of players active in the entire league! The way I compare Hunter is how does he look compared to the rest of the guys playing today? I honestly think he’s “best of the rest” or one of the top guys in that group, so the question for the organization is if they think that type of player is worth the 10-12 mill a year that the market is going to demand? If you think Henry is right behind Kittle and Kelce, best of the rest, whatever. Then you sign him to his big contract. I'm not saying he is, I'm not saying he isn't, I'm not saying I hate his injury history, I'm saying if you think that, then you sign him.
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 14, 2021 3:48:22 GMT -7
I think it’s unfair to compare HH to two of the best that have ever played the position. Kittle and Kelce are up there with Winslow, Gates, Bronk, Sharpe, Witten, Gonzalez, Christensen, Newsome, Mackey, Dikta, Coates, etc...I’m sure I’ve left out a few greats. At any one point in time in NFL history there’s only been 2-3 of those types of players active in the entire league! The way I compare Hunter is how does he look compared to the rest of the guys playing today? I honestly think he’s “best of the rest” or one of the top guys in that group, so the question for the organization is if they think that type of player is worth the 10-12 mill a year that the market is going to demand? Kelce and Kittle may be the 2 best right now but they aren’t as good as Winslow, Gates, Gronk and Sharpe. I agree with this. Joe loves Aaron Donald. But all-time ? Give me a career first. We are too early to pull the trigger nowadays.
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Post by afboltfan on Feb 14, 2021 5:50:26 GMT -7
Von Miller and JJ Watt are too old... I'd rather keep Ingram and draft a kid that will make his own name.
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Post by joemcrugby on Feb 14, 2021 12:46:08 GMT -7
Kelce and Kittle may be the 2 best right now but they aren’t as good as Winslow, Gates, Gronk and Sharpe. I agree with this. Joe loves Aaron Donald. But all-time ? Give me a career first. We are too early to pull the trigger nowadays. Seven seasons, 6x All Pro, 7x Pro Bowl, 3x Defensive Player of the Year (including three of the past four seasons), missed two games in 7 seasons (2017) despite being double-teamed on virtually every play, and has arguably been the NFL’s most dominant player at any position for the past four seasons. How many more years does he need before he can start entering the conversation on your end? 🤷♂️ |
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Post by jwr10x on Feb 14, 2021 17:24:58 GMT -7
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Post by sonorajim on Feb 14, 2021 21:16:02 GMT -7
Dean Spanos made the decision on Staley. After all this "cutting edge" stuff, I can't see Dean letting him be excluded from personnel decisions. Staley & co are loading up for those decisions today. What a waste of time & money if they don't listen to him now. Truth is none of us know unless one of you guys is in the building listening to conversations and sitting in on meetings. It’s the honeymoon period! Everyone is collaborating, everyone is getting along, and there is no power struggle, YET;) Positive vibes man! How much is dean still involved? How much is John involved, does AG weigh in? Does TT just go along to save his job? Does TT call the shots? We don’t know, but if history is any indication, the family has always taken a heavy hand in decisions in years past, I can’t imagine that changing all of a sudden. once the first personnel moves start happening we’ll have a clearer picture of how much influence Staley truly has. In support of those that think he’ll be heavily involved, so far it seems he’s had a considerable amount of decision making ability in respect to assembling his staff. Maybe that carries over to the players too. I’ve always thought the best teams were put together when everyone involved compromised and worked together but there have been some exceptions when a team came together despite disfunction within the organization (85 bears). I think checks and balances are good. so a coach shouldn’t run loose and unchecked (O’brien Houston texans) and a front office shouldn’t just dictate to a coach (philly). As much as he wants to be. Dean made a point of announcing that he was fully involved in hiring Staley, saying that he was too wrapped up in move to LA details when Lynn was hired and implied that that was not the case now. I believe that Dean is very much involved in supporting his decisions. (Telesco & Staley) He is just as embarrassed as the fans with the Chargers record of late. Dean's the guy who got Dielman off the plane to Sea when AJ was letting him go in FA. Dean handled the search & hiring of Telesco.
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 15, 2021 1:45:29 GMT -7
I agree with this. Joe loves Aaron Donald. But all-time ? Give me a career first. We are too early to pull the trigger nowadays. Seven seasons, 6x All Pro, 7x Pro Bowl, 3x Defensive Player of the Year (including three of the past four seasons), missed two games in 7 seasons (2017) despite being double-teamed on virtually every play, and has arguably been the NFL’s most dominant player at any position for the past four seasons. How many more years does he need before he can start entering the conversation on your end? 🤷♂️ You know, I didn't know he had been in the league 7 years. He can enter the conversation now.
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Post by boltnut on Feb 15, 2021 2:38:18 GMT -7
In what offence are you referring? The Lynn version, or the one coming? The one that has all this 'innovation' might be completely different. He means in this roster's offense. Also, they are not wholesale changing this offense at all. The offense produced, and you do not want to change what just got your QB Rookie of the Year. We aren't switching to running the option out there for heavens sake !!! This offense, this roster, this QB. Lombardi likes to spread it around and seems to really enjoy throwing to his RB's. Ekeler is the perfect receiving RB target. JH likes to target KA much more than MW when going to a WR. With Guyton and Johnson developing... with Hill and Reed waiting for PT. I just see MW's targets dwindling... not increasing. He has yet to surpass 50 catches in a season.
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 15, 2021 4:36:37 GMT -7
He means in this roster's offense. Also, they are not wholesale changing this offense at all. The offense produced, and you do not want to change what just got your QB Rookie of the Year. We aren't switching to running the option out there for heavens sake !!! This offense, this roster, this QB. Lombardi likes to spread it around and seems to really enjoy throwing to his RB's. Ekeler is the perfect receiving RB target. JH likes to target KA much more than MW when going to a WR. With Guyton and Johnson developing... with Hill and Reed waiting for PT. I just see MW's targets dwindling... not increasing. He has yet to surpass 50 catches in a season. He just feels like a one trick pony of jump ball mixed in with dropsey poo hands. He is damn sure not a Number 2 WR which is where they used him. That has got to change. Schuster is a major major major upgrade at number 2 WR. Major.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 15, 2021 8:16:21 GMT -7
He means in this roster's offense. Also, they are not wholesale changing this offense at all. The offense produced, and you do not want to change what just got your QB Rookie of the Year. We aren't switching to running the option out there for heavens sake !!! This offense, this roster, this QB. Lombardi likes to spread it around and seems to really enjoy throwing to his RB's. Ekeler is the perfect receiving RB target. JH likes to target KA much more than MW when going to a WR. With Guyton and Johnson developing... with Hill and Reed waiting for PT. I just see MW's targets dwindling... not increasing. He has yet to surpass 50 catches in a season. It seems to me you are projecting a drop in value to the club for MW, based off of how he was used in the past, along with your perception of a Lombardi offence. I suppose I would need to accept the evaluation that Guyton, Johnson, Hill and Reed have the talent to push MW off the field/roster, which I currently do not accept. If what you think is accurate, then trading MW is likely in the future, especially with that cost associated with MW. The cost might be the difficult part to overcome in a trade. I am certain there is a plan, should be interesting to see things develop between now and next season.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 15, 2021 8:20:44 GMT -7
This offense, this roster, this QB. Lombardi likes to spread it around and seems to really enjoy throwing to his RB's. Ekeler is the perfect receiving RB target. JH likes to target KA much more than MW when going to a WR. With Guyton and Johnson developing... with Hill and Reed waiting for PT. I just see MW's targets dwindling... not increasing. He has yet to surpass 50 catches in a season. He just feels like a one trick pony of jump ball mixed in with dropsey poo hands. He is damn sure not a Number 2 WR which is where they used him. That has got to change. Schuster is a major major major upgrade at number 2 WR. Major. Perhaps the Lombardi offence uses MW differently, which brings about a change in results. Boltnut's view is there are too many talented WR's in the pipeline currently, which is pushing a decision on MW. Adding Schuster does little in this respect. What do you think Schuster signs for?
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 15, 2021 8:31:08 GMT -7
He just feels like a one trick pony of jump ball mixed in with dropsey poo hands. He is damn sure not a Number 2 WR which is where they used him. That has got to change. Schuster is a major major major upgrade at number 2 WR. Major. Perhaps the Lombardi offence uses MW differently, which brings about a change in results. Boltnut's view is there are too many talented WR's in the pipeline currently, which is pushing a decision on MW. Adding Schuster does little in this respect. What do you think Schuster signs for? If the new design on MW is "Ok. New plan. Stop dropping the ball." then we are good to go. Schuster ? I don't know. McRugby would have to help with the new Cap and Free Agency contracts. You are getting him in prime money time. His rookie contract is over, and he is due his "big contract", so you have to factor that increase in. Keenan Allen is doing 20 million per year for 4 years. Maybe you can get away with 13-16 million per year ?? Hard to say.
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