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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 23, 2021 12:13:54 GMT -7
the difference between me and you and others like you on here is that I don’t give a shit about losing an argument when some one that has a better POV teaches me something. But folks like you will resort to insults because you can’t counter points being made. You guys are too @#$&ing old to be acting like that when your shit doesn’t line up with reality. I'm sure that there are many more differences than that. Most in here don't insult. Most have a sense of humor. Most don't take this shit seriously. And most understand that we are all equally useless in the bigger Charger picture. A few, myself included, enjoy the occasional condescending comment. I can counter points just fine. From my perspective, the issue is mostly on your side. You seem unable to distinguish opinion from fact. And you have a lot of opinions, some good and some suspect. I can't speak for others, but the law of diminishing returns comes into play when having a debate with you. For example, to me the much clearer comp for Josh Palmer is Keenan McCardell than Tony Martin. I didn't mention it because I was disinterested in whatever diatribe of a response that you would counter with to demonstrate how knowledgeable you were and high ignorant I was. Another example is the Sean McVay butt pucker trade for Matthew Stafford as a direct result of Justin Herbert. I tried to be nice in my response but you doubled down. That in and of itself is completely absurd on so many levels. Fact: The NFC West is by far the best division in the NFL. No one can sit pat. Fact: Jared Goff's demise in LA started well before Hebert was a Charger. Fact: Adding an aging Stafford to your team isn't exactly a splashy (Tim Tebow to the Jags) move. Fact: Kreonke, McVay, et al. have always been forward thinking risk takers, not knee jerk reactionary thinkers. Fact- Everything COVID related is political. It's like global warming. The science is the science. Our media and politicians choose to make it political and want people to make a choice based on affiliations. Science and politics are not mutually exclusive. I haven't weighed in because I have enough self awareness to understand that I have neither the training nor experience to speak on it as an expert. One thing we have too many of is ignorant people with loud firmly held opinions. At the end of the day I hope you stick around. You have a lot of good additions. I guess what you come here for is different than what I come here for. I appreciate the banter. I want to be called out if I post something stupid. I don't pretend to have the answers that people that get paid millions of dollars and spent countless hours with 1000x the data than I have, struggle to make. To each his own. For me the timeless words of the Hornblower ring truer today that ever before. We are all equally useless. Did our kids Palmer and Parnham get playing time ? I'm only about in the 3rd quarter of my recording of the game. I want to save them and spring them on the league this regular season.
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Post by sdc on Aug 23, 2021 12:22:32 GMT -7
I'm sure that there are many more differences than that. Most in here don't insult. Most have a sense of humor. Most don't take this shit seriously. And most understand that we are all equally useless in the bigger Charger picture. A few, myself included, enjoy the occasional condescending comment. I can counter points just fine. From my perspective, the issue is mostly on your side. You seem unable to distinguish opinion from fact. And you have a lot of opinions, some good and some suspect. I can't speak for others, but the law of diminishing returns comes into play when having a debate with you. For example, to me the much clearer comp for Josh Palmer is Keenan McCardell than Tony Martin. I didn't mention it because I was disinterested in whatever diatribe of a response that you would counter with to demonstrate how knowledgeable you were and high ignorant I was. Another example is the Sean McVay butt pucker trade for Matthew Stafford as a direct result of Justin Herbert. I tried to be nice in my response but you doubled down. That in and of itself is completely absurd on so many levels. Fact: The NFC West is by far the best division in the NFL. No one can sit pat. Fact: Jared Goff's demise in LA started well before Hebert was a Charger. Fact: Adding an aging Stafford to your team isn't exactly a splashy (Tim Tebow to the Jags) move. Fact: Kreonke, McVay, et al. have always been forward thinking risk takers, not knee jerk reactionary thinkers. Fact- Everything COVID related is political. It's like global warming. The science is the science. Our media and politicians choose to make it political and want people to make a choice based on affiliations. Science and politics are not mutually exclusive. I haven't weighed in because I have enough self awareness to understand that I have neither the training nor experience to speak on it as an expert. One thing we have too many of is ignorant people with loud firmly held opinions. At the end of the day I hope you stick around. You have a lot of good additions. I guess what you come here for is different than what I come here for. I appreciate the banter. I want to be called out if I post something stupid. I don't pretend to have the answers that people that get paid millions of dollars and spent countless hours with 1000x the data than I have, struggle to make. To each his own. For me the timeless words of the Hornblower ring truer today that ever before. We are all equally useless. Did our kids Palmer and Parnham get playing time ? I'm only about in the 3rd quarter of my recording of the game. I want to save them and spring them on the league this regular season. Palmer some. He caught the TD pass from Stick. I was looking for Parham but didn't see him. Save yourself some time and skip the rest of the game. Second half was a bunch of nobodies doing nothing. Well Chase Daniel did quite a bit. None of it good.
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Post by frozendisc on Aug 23, 2021 13:02:01 GMT -7
the difference between me and you and others like you on here is that I don’t give a shit about losing an argument when some one that has a better POV teaches me something. But folks like you will resort to insults because you can’t counter points being made. You guys are too @#$&ing old to be acting like that when your shit doesn’t line up with reality. I'm sure that there are many more differences than that. Most in here don't insult. Most have a sense of humor. Most don't take this shit seriously. And most understand that we are all equally useless in the bigger Charger picture. A few, myself included, enjoy the occasional condescending comment. I can counter points just fine. From my perspective, the issue is mostly on your side. You seem unable to distinguish opinion from fact. And you have a lot of opinions, some good and some suspect. I can't speak for others, but the law of diminishing returns comes into play when having a debate with you. For example, to me the much clearer comp for Josh Palmer is Keenan McCardell than Tony Martin. I didn't mention it because I was disinterested in whatever diatribe of a response that you would counter with to demonstrate how knowledgeable you were and high ignorant I was. Another example is the Sean McVay butt pucker trade for Matthew Stafford as a direct result of Justin Herbert. I tried to be nice in my response but you doubled down. That in and of itself is completely absurd on so many levels. Fact: The NFC West is by far the best division in the NFL. No one can sit pat. Fact: Jared Goff's demise in LA started well before Hebert was a Charger. Fact: Adding an aging Stafford to your team isn't exactly a splashy (Tim Tebow to the Jags) move. Fact: Kreonke, McVay, et al. have always been forward thinking risk takers, not knee jerk reactionary thinkers. Fact- Everything COVID related is political. It's like global warming. The science is the science. Our media and politicians choose to make it political and want people to make a choice based on affiliations. Science and politics are not mutually exclusive. I haven't weighed in because I have enough self awareness to understand that I have neither the training nor experience to speak on it as an expert. One thing we have too many of is ignorant people with loud firmly held opinions. At the end of the day I hope you stick around. You have a lot of good additions. I guess what you come here for is different than what I come here for. I appreciate the banter. I want to be called out if I post something stupid. I don't pretend to have the answers that people that get paid millions of dollars and spent countless hours with 1000x the data than I have, struggle to make. To each his own. For me the timeless words of the Hornblower ring truer today that ever before. We are all equally useless. All but Freak.....he is far from useless, is he not?
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Post by sdc on Aug 23, 2021 13:06:22 GMT -7
I'm sure that there are many more differences than that. Most in here don't insult. Most have a sense of humor. Most don't take this shit seriously. And most understand that we are all equally useless in the bigger Charger picture. A few, myself included, enjoy the occasional condescending comment. I can counter points just fine. From my perspective, the issue is mostly on your side. You seem unable to distinguish opinion from fact. And you have a lot of opinions, some good and some suspect. I can't speak for others, but the law of diminishing returns comes into play when having a debate with you. For example, to me the much clearer comp for Josh Palmer is Keenan McCardell than Tony Martin. I didn't mention it because I was disinterested in whatever diatribe of a response that you would counter with to demonstrate how knowledgeable you were and high ignorant I was. Another example is the Sean McVay butt pucker trade for Matthew Stafford as a direct result of Justin Herbert. I tried to be nice in my response but you doubled down. That in and of itself is completely absurd on so many levels. Fact: The NFC West is by far the best division in the NFL. No one can sit pat. Fact: Jared Goff's demise in LA started well before Hebert was a Charger. Fact: Adding an aging Stafford to your team isn't exactly a splashy (Tim Tebow to the Jags) move. Fact: Kreonke, McVay, et al. have always been forward thinking risk takers, not knee jerk reactionary thinkers. Fact- Everything COVID related is political. It's like global warming. The science is the science. Our media and politicians choose to make it political and want people to make a choice based on affiliations. Science and politics are not mutually exclusive. I haven't weighed in because I have enough self awareness to understand that I have neither the training nor experience to speak on it as an expert. One thing we have too many of is ignorant people with loud firmly held opinions. At the end of the day I hope you stick around. You have a lot of good additions. I guess what you come here for is different than what I come here for. I appreciate the banter. I want to be called out if I post something stupid. I don't pretend to have the answers that people that get paid millions of dollars and spent countless hours with 1000x the data than I have, struggle to make. To each his own. For me the timeless words of the Hornblower ring truer today that ever before. We are all equally useless. All but Freak.....he is far from useless, is he not? He exalts himself and a fewer of the kinder gentler ones placate him, but at the end of the day, his only real greatness is that he is more useless than the rest of us combined.
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 23, 2021 13:24:15 GMT -7
I'm sure that there are many more differences than that. Most in here don't insult. Most have a sense of humor. Most don't take this shit seriously. And most understand that we are all equally useless in the bigger Charger picture. A few, myself included, enjoy the occasional condescending comment. I can counter points just fine. From my perspective, the issue is mostly on your side. You seem unable to distinguish opinion from fact. And you have a lot of opinions, some good and some suspect. I can't speak for others, but the law of diminishing returns comes into play when having a debate with you. For example, to me the much clearer comp for Josh Palmer is Keenan McCardell than Tony Martin. I didn't mention it because I was disinterested in whatever diatribe of a response that you would counter with to demonstrate how knowledgeable you were and high ignorant I was. Another example is the Sean McVay butt pucker trade for Matthew Stafford as a direct result of Justin Herbert. I tried to be nice in my response but you doubled down. That in and of itself is completely absurd on so many levels. Fact: The NFC West is by far the best division in the NFL. No one can sit pat. Fact: Jared Goff's demise in LA started well before Hebert was a Charger. Fact: Adding an aging Stafford to your team isn't exactly a splashy (Tim Tebow to the Jags) move. Fact: Kreonke, McVay, et al. have always been forward thinking risk takers, not knee jerk reactionary thinkers. Fact- Everything COVID related is political. It's like global warming. The science is the science. Our media and politicians choose to make it political and want people to make a choice based on affiliations. Science and politics are not mutually exclusive. I haven't weighed in because I have enough self awareness to understand that I have neither the training nor experience to speak on it as an expert. One thing we have too many of is ignorant people with loud firmly held opinions. At the end of the day I hope you stick around. You have a lot of good additions. I guess what you come here for is different than what I come here for. I appreciate the banter. I want to be called out if I post something stupid. I don't pretend to have the answers that people that get paid millions of dollars and spent countless hours with 1000x the data than I have, struggle to make. To each his own. For me the timeless words of the Hornblower ring truer today that ever before. We are all equally useless. Did our kids Palmer and Parnham get playing time ? I'm only about in the 3rd quarter of my recording of the game. I want to save them and spring them on the league this regular season. Parham had a butt bruise (bruised tailbone) from the second joint practice and was held out. About the only things that you can take away from yesterday is that the defense has a lot more depth than the offense, Stick has looked better than Daniels & will be much more effective if the oline leaks and that the offensive starters better stay healthy at the oline and RB positions. With it being an exhibition game with more than 3/4 of the starters sitting combined with a 4:30 PM Sunday kickoff, I sold my four tickets for about 1/2 price … and I’m glad that I did.
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Post by sdc on Aug 23, 2021 13:40:34 GMT -7
Many of the forum members here were previously members of the now shut down Charger Message Board (CMB). I think I remember you and others from there. We had an off-topic section there that would accommodate such discussion as this. Unfortunately, this concept has not taken off here. I agree that those who visit this forum for strictly football-related discussion should not be spammed with off-topic stuff, but off-topic discussion should have its place somewhere. Well... technically... Its not really an off topic discussion. The original spark was talking about players not getting the vaccine. I agree though it is gas on the fire of what people "feel" about the issue. It’s also assuming that anyone missing games due to Covid protocols chose not to get the vaccination. Nasir Adderley was vilified by some as a selfish player. To my knowledge it has not been made public (for good reason) which players are vaccinated or not. It’s also become clear that this is not the case. Multiple coaches are now missing time due to Covid and the teams involved have announced that their entire staff has been vaccinated. Dan Quinn is just one that comes to mind. Can anyone show me where Adderley has not been vaccinated. Please don’t continue to use the prior if “A” then “B” faulty logic that has already been proven false. Being on the Covid list is not proof.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Aug 23, 2021 13:52:31 GMT -7
the difference between me and you and others like you on here is that I don’t give a shit about losing an argument when some one that has a better POV teaches me something. But folks like you will resort to insults because you can’t counter points being made. You guys are too @#$&ing old to be acting like that when your shit doesn’t line up with reality. I'm sure that there are many more differences than that. Most in here don't insult. Most have a sense of humor. Most don't take this shit seriously. And most understand that we are all equally useless in the bigger Charger picture. A few, myself included, enjoy the occasional condescending comment. I can counter points just fine. From my perspective, the issue is mostly on your side. You seem unable to distinguish opinion from fact. And you have a lot of opinions, some good and some suspect. I can't speak for others, but the law of diminishing returns comes into play when having a debate with you. For example, to me the much clearer comp for Josh Palmer is Keenan McCardell than Tony Martin. I didn't mention it because I was disinterested in whatever diatribe of a response that you would counter with to demonstrate how knowledgeable you were and high ignorant I was. Another example is the Sean McVay butt pucker trade for Matthew Stafford as a direct result of Justin Herbert. I tried to be nice in my response but you doubled down. That in and of itself is completely absurd on so many levels. Fact: The NFC West is by far the best division in the NFL. No one can sit pat. Fact: Jared Goff's demise in LA started well before Hebert was a Charger. Fact: Adding an aging Stafford to your team isn't exactly a splashy (Tim Tebow to the Jags) move. Fact: Kreonke, McVay, et al. have always been forward thinking risk takers, not knee jerk reactionary thinkers. Fact- Everything COVID related is political. It's like global warming. The science is the science. Our media and politicians choose to make it political and want people to make a choice based on affiliations. Science and politics are not mutually exclusive. I haven't weighed in because I have enough self awareness to understand that I have neither the training nor experience to speak on it as an expert. One thing we have too many of is ignorant people with loud firmly held opinions. At the end of the day I hope you stick around. You have a lot of good additions. I guess what you come here for is different than what I come here for. I appreciate the banter. I want to be called out if I post something stupid. I don't pretend to have the answers that people that get paid millions of dollars and spent countless hours with 1000x the data than I have, struggle to make. To each his own. For me the timeless words of the Hornblower ring truer today that ever before. We are all equally useless. You’re right, I do come across as an opinionated ace hole with a high opinion of his opinions. For that I apologize and I can only guarantee that I don’t want to be that person and am constantly trying to hold that shit back, some days I’m more successful than others. Trust me, I get plenty of feedback from my wife and kids in that department I’m almost completely disconnected from social media(no twitter, my space, facebook, tik tok etc) except for this and a couple other forums I get all of my social interaction direct and in person from my wife and kids. Unfortunately no one in my family truly likes football or the chargers like I do, otherwise I would have somewhere else to discuss it. I have zero interest in making friends online or receiving praise or likes or thumbs up etc. that whole aspect of social media I find repugnant and I have no use for it. I’m not going to type anything here I wouldn’t otherwise feel comfortable saying to your face. I have a crap sense of humor, probably because I had rough childhood and grew up in a poor fuqd up neighborhood during the crack epidemic of the 1980s. Automatic gunfire at night within a 3 block radius of my bedroom was a common occurrence. Looking at people the wrong way, saying or wearing the wrong thing could get you killed. So yeah, I have a limited outlook on the world but I managed to bust my ass working several jobs to put myself thru college, move out of that place, married a wonderful woman, and raised a family with kids that thankfully have never known what it was like to grow up like that. Most of my childhood friends are dead, in prison, or addicted to drugs. I don’t want to be labeled, put in a category/box, or called names because I disagree with someone over silly things like roster moves or coaching decisions. BTW, Mcardell was even lighter than tony, but if palmer reminds you of him thats your opinion and there’s nothing wrong with it because there is no right or wrong. If the kid turns out to be as good as either of those men, then charger fans will be happy for a good long while.
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Post by afboltfan on Aug 23, 2021 14:15:41 GMT -7
I'm sure that there are many more differences than that. Most in here don't insult. Most have a sense of humor. Most don't take this shit seriously. And most understand that we are all equally useless in the bigger Charger picture. A few, myself included, enjoy the occasional condescending comment. I can counter points just fine. From my perspective, the issue is mostly on your side. You seem unable to distinguish opinion from fact. And you have a lot of opinions, some good and some suspect. I can't speak for others, but the law of diminishing returns comes into play when having a debate with you. For example, to me the much clearer comp for Josh Palmer is Keenan McCardell than Tony Martin. I didn't mention it because I was disinterested in whatever diatribe of a response that you would counter with to demonstrate how knowledgeable you were and high ignorant I was. Another example is the Sean McVay butt pucker trade for Matthew Stafford as a direct result of Justin Herbert. I tried to be nice in my response but you doubled down. That in and of itself is completely absurd on so many levels. Fact: The NFC West is by far the best division in the NFL. No one can sit pat. Fact: Jared Goff's demise in LA started well before Hebert was a Charger. Fact: Adding an aging Stafford to your team isn't exactly a splashy (Tim Tebow to the Jags) move. Fact: Kreonke, McVay, et al. have always been forward thinking risk takers, not knee jerk reactionary thinkers. Fact- Everything COVID related is political. It's like global warming. The science is the science. Our media and politicians choose to make it political and want people to make a choice based on affiliations. Science and politics are not mutually exclusive. I haven't weighed in because I have enough self awareness to understand that I have neither the training nor experience to speak on it as an expert. One thing we have too many of is ignorant people with loud firmly held opinions. At the end of the day I hope you stick around. You have a lot of good additions. I guess what you come here for is different than what I come here for. I appreciate the banter. I want to be called out if I post something stupid. I don't pretend to have the answers that people that get paid millions of dollars and spent countless hours with 1000x the data than I have, struggle to make. To each his own. For me the timeless words of the Hornblower ring truer today that ever before. We are all equally useless. You’re right, I do come across as an opinionated ace hole with a high opinion of his opinions. For that I apologize and I can only guarantee that I don’t want to be that person and am constantly trying to hold that shit back, some days I’m more successful than others. Trust me, I get plenty of feedback from my wife and kids in that department I’m almost completely disconnected from social media(no twitter, my space, facebook, tik tok etc) except for this and a couple other forums I get all of my social interaction direct and in person from my wife and kids. Unfortunately no one in my family truly likes football or the chargers like I do, otherwise I would have somewhere else to discuss it. I have zero interest in making friends online or receiving praise or likes or thumbs up etc. that whole aspect of social media I find repugnant and I have no use for it. I’m not going to type anything here I wouldn’t otherwise feel comfortable saying to your face. I have a crap sense of humor, probably because I had rough childhood and grew up in a poor fuqd up neighborhood during the crack epidemic of the 1980s. Automatic gunfire at night within a 3 block radius of my bedroom was a common occurrence. Looking at people the wrong way, saying or wearing the wrong thing could get you killed. So yeah, I have a limited outlook on the world but I managed to bust my ass working several jobs to put myself thru college, move out of that place, married a wonderful woman, and raised a family with kids that thankfully have never known what it was like to grow up like that. Most of my childhood friends are dead, in prison, or addicted to drugs. I don’t want to be labeled, put in a category/box, or called names because I disagree with someone over silly things like roster moves or coaching decisions. BTW, Mcardell was even lighter than tony, but if palmer reminds you of him thats your opinion and there’s nothing wrong with it because there is no right or wrong. If the kid turns out to be as good as either of those men, then charger fans will be happy for a good long while. Just as long as he's not the next Buster Davis he'll be fine lol...
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 23, 2021 14:39:40 GMT -7
Well... technically... Its not really an off topic discussion. The original spark was talking about players not getting the vaccine. I agree though it is gas on the fire of what people "feel" about the issue. It’s also assuming that anyone missing games due to Covid protocols chose not to get the vaccination. Nasir Adderley was vilified by some as a selfish player. To my knowledge it has not been made public (for good reason) which players are vaccinated or not. It’s also become clear that this is not the case. Multiple coaches are now missing time due to Covid and the teams involved have announced that their entire staff has been vaccinated. Dan Quinn is just one that comes to mind. Can anyone show me where Adderley has not been vaccinated. Please don’t continue to use the prior if “A” then “B” faulty logic that has already been proven false. Being on the Covid list is not proof. I may be mistaken, but I don’t believe that players go on the COVID / Reserve list if they have been vaccinated. It may be possible that players who are vaccinated and test positive can go on the list (I can’t find clarification of that anywhere), but only unvaccinated players can be considered close contacts. We will find out soon enough.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Aug 23, 2021 15:08:01 GMT -7
It’s also assuming that anyone missing games due to Covid protocols chose not to get the vaccination. Nasir Adderley was vilified by some as a selfish player. To my knowledge it has not been made public (for good reason) which players are vaccinated or not. It’s also become clear that this is not the case. Multiple coaches are now missing time due to Covid and the teams involved have announced that their entire staff has been vaccinated. Dan Quinn is just one that comes to mind. Can anyone show me where Adderley has not been vaccinated. Please don’t continue to use the prior if “A” then “B” faulty logic that has already been proven false. Being on the Covid list is not proof. I may be mistaken, but I don’t believe that players go on the COVID / Reserve list if they have been vaccinated. It may be possible that players who are vaccinated and test positive can go on the list (I can’t find clarification of that anywhere), but only unvaccinated players can be considered close contacts. We will find out soon enough. ^^^This, that's how I interpreted the NFL’s press releases on how the vax vs un vax players would be processed.
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Post by sdc on Aug 23, 2021 19:24:50 GMT -7
It’s also assuming that anyone missing games due to Covid protocols chose not to get the vaccination. Nasir Adderley was vilified by some as a selfish player. To my knowledge it has not been made public (for good reason) which players are vaccinated or not. It’s also become clear that this is not the case. Multiple coaches are now missing time due to Covid and the teams involved have announced that their entire staff has been vaccinated. Dan Quinn is just one that comes to mind. Can anyone show me where Adderley has not been vaccinated. Please don’t continue to use the prior if “A” then “B” faulty logic that has already been proven false. Being on the Covid list is not proof. I may be mistaken, but I don’t believe that players go on the COVID / Reserve list if they have been vaccinated. It may be possible that players who are vaccinated and test positive can go on the list (I can’t find clarification of that anywhere), but only unvaccinated players can be considered close contacts. We will find out soon enough. I don’t believe that is the case. There have been several coaches that went into the Covid process even with the teams stating that all coaches have been vaccinated. There is nothing that I can find in the almost 100 pages of the NFL Covid Protocol that makes that distinction. It’s been clearly proven that vaccinated people can test positive and be carriers. To exclude them from the reserve list makes no sense and could have legal issues around privacy. That would be the 2021 version of the scarlet letter. If a player chooses to make that public that’s up to them.
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Post by sdc on Aug 23, 2021 19:26:34 GMT -7
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Post by frozendisc on Aug 23, 2021 19:35:20 GMT -7
I may be mistaken, but I don’t believe that players go on the COVID / Reserve list if they have been vaccinated. It may be possible that players who are vaccinated and test positive can go on the list (I can’t find clarification of that anywhere), but only unvaccinated players can be considered close contacts. We will find out soon enough. I don’t believe that is the case. There have been several coaches that went into the Covid process even with the teams stating that all coaches have been vaccinated. There is nothing that I can find in the almost 100 pages of the NFL Covid Protocol that makes that distinction. It’s been clearly proven that vaccinated people can test positive and be carriers. To exclude them from the reserve list makes no sense and could have legal issues around privacy. That would be the 2021 version of the scarlet letter. If a player chooses to make that public that’s up to them. I think 'vaccination' has nothing to do with it. You test positive for covid, you make the list. You get a certain number of negative results, and off the list.
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 23, 2021 21:36:49 GMT -7
Los Angeles Chargers rookie receiver Josh Palmer is punishing himself to earn a key role in the 2021 offense By Doug Kyed Aug 23, 2021 COSTA MESA, Calif. — It was an hour after a spirited joint practice between the Los Angeles Chargers and San Francisco 49ers concluded Thursday, and I was sweating just crouching on the sideline in the early-afternoon Orange County sun while staring at two mostly empty practice fields. Standing near the end zone of the far field were just four Chargers players and three coaches, and it began to feel like rookie wide receiver Josh Palmer would never stop running deep routes for quarterback and impending NFL superstar Justin Herbert. This is Palmer’s daily routine. It's a mutually beneficial exercise: Palmer gets to work on something that gave him trouble in practice, and Herbert looks to improve an aspect of his game, as well. “We’re kind of similar to where half the time we’re on the field we feel like we played like crap,” Palmer told PFF on Thursday. “It drives us. I’m able to go up to him and tell him, ‘My bad I sucked on that play.’ But then during the same play he’ll say, ‘Nah, it was me — I sucked on that play.’” They were joined on Thursday by backup quarterback Easton Stick, 2020 undrafted free-agent wide receiver John Hurst, offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi, passing game coordinator/quarterbacks coach Shane Day and offensive quality control coach Chandler Whitmer. The four players were working on deep passes and over-the-shoulder catches, and Palmer was precise in getting this skill down perfectly even if it meant dropping passes in the process. Sometimes the wide receivers would stay downfield and only finish their routes before attempting to make the difficult grabs without looking back at the ball. But most of the time they were running deep routes over and over in the midsummer heat. It looked absolutely exhausting. “I don’t give a damn. I’m going to keep it raw, if I’ve got to work on something then I’ve got to get it down because I’ve got to work on it now so they can trust me to do it in a game,” Palmer said. “If I can’t do it in practice, if I can’t prove to them that I can do it, then what sense does it make? I know I have to keep my legs good for practice, but once I know I can catch it then I can give my legs a break. But I need to go out and get it every day and prove it to myself that I can do it. I’ll do whatever I can to make that happen and make this team trust me and make plays when I need to.” MAKING THE NFL JUMP Palmer doesn’t suck. The Brampton, Ontario, Canada-native was selected 77th overall in the third round of the 2021 NFL Draft out of Tennessee, and he’s the front runner to start Week 1 of the season as the third receiver alongside Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. But if he convinces himself enough that he sucks, then he’ll keep perfecting his game. Maybe one day he won’t have to stay after practice to the point where he’s side-eyeing the last bus back to the Chargers’ facility in hopes it doesn’t take off without him, leaving him to walk a mile from the Jack R. Hammett Sports Complex to the team facility while answering questions from a reporter on why he’s still here so late. The jump from the SEC to the NFL is a big one, despite the college conference’s lofty reputation. The leap he took in high school from St. Roch Catholic Secondary School in Brampton to perennial powerhouse St. Thomas Aquinas High School in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., might have been even greater. Suddenly, after playing a high school sport that is an afterthought in the Greater Toronto Horseshoe region of Canada, he was teammates with future Chargers cornerback Asante Samuel Jr., and edge defender Nick Bosa (who was on the opposing team, the 49ers, in Thursday’s practice) plus 2021 second-round pick Elijah Moore. Palmer went on to be a three-year starter at Tennessee but never put up gaudy stats through some uneven quarterback play. He shined at the Senior Bowl and has continued his ascent in camp. A fast rapport with Herbert has helped, and he’s received valuable mentorship from Allen, one of the best wide receivers in the NFL. “I talk to Keenan and Mike after every series,” Palmer said. “After every series I come off the field and I’m always going to them asking them if they saw my route, what happened on their route, how could I have run my route better, just getting their trust. I want the players to be able to trust me, and the coaches to be able to trust me to where I feel confident when I’m in the game.” And Palmer feels like his game could compliment Allen and Williams in the starting offense. “I feel like we all play differently,” Palmer said. “Keenan, he’s more suave and he’s more saucy. He can run any route. My game is more vertical, powerful, run hard, stop hard, come in and out of breaks. Mike’s savvy too, can get the high ball, really athletic. The way we play complements each other, just the DBs are going to expect different things from us.” PROGRESS IS EVIDENT It takes a lot for Palmer to give himself a compliment. But he’s working on it. And being so negative about his play on the field can be beneficial at times. “I feel like most times it does help me, it keeps me grounded,” Palmer said. “But sometimes I don’t give myself enough credit. Sometimes I feel like I don’t deserve it. I feel like if I make a play, I should make it so there’s nothing to be happy about. I’m working on it, on not being too hard.” Palmer caught six passes on six targets for 36 yards in his NFL preseason debut for an 83.3 overall offensive PFF grade. He caught a touchdown Sunday night against the 49ers. The rookie’s tough self-love has helped him build an early rapport with Herbert, so it’s certainly not hurting. Someday, Palmer can retire early into the facility with the rest of his teammates. But he’s smart to stay after while still earning his role on the team. www.pff.com/news/nfl-los-angeles-chargers-rookie-wr-josh-palmer-is-punishing-himself-to-earn-a-key-role-in-the-2021-offense
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 23, 2021 21:44:47 GMT -7
I may be mistaken, but I don’t believe that players go on the COVID / Reserve list if they have been vaccinated. It may be possible that players who are vaccinated and test positive can go on the list (I can’t find clarification of that anywhere), but only unvaccinated players can be considered close contacts. We will find out soon enough. I don’t believe that is the case. There have been several coaches that went into the Covid process even with the teams stating that all coaches have been vaccinated. There is nothing that I can find in the almost 100 pages of the NFL Covid Protocol that makes that distinction. It’s been clearly proven that vaccinated people can test positive and be carriers. To exclude them from the reserve list makes no sense and could have legal issues around privacy. That would be the 2021 version of the scarlet letter. If a player chooses to make that public that’s up to them. There is no Covid / Reserve list for coaches, and the rule is that vaccinated players stay away until two negative tests are taken 24 hours apart. Why would a player be required to go on the list that opens a roster spot when they are likely to return in two-three days time? That takes all of the teeth out of the NFL policy if players are treated the same despite totally different protocols being spelled out in the memo. I stand by my reading of the memo that you only go on the COVID / Reserve list if you are unvaccinated. If you are a coach or player who is vaccinated and catches COVID or had close contact with somebody who caught it, you may be removed from practices & meetings for a short time (probably until the two negative tests taken 24 hours apart standard for vaccinated individuals set in the memo), but you don’t go on the COVID / Reserve list. In Adderley’s case, Staley stated last Thursday that he missed the first joint practice with a migraine, missed Friday’s practice as well and was then placed on COVID / Reserve on Saturday. Tomorrow will be five days after he first missed practice, so if the rule is in fact that vaccinated players who contract COVID or were close contacts go on the list, then we should see Adderley back on the field within the next couple of days. I hope that I am proven wrong and it turns out that all players go on the list regardless of their vaccination status, and Nasir will be preparing for some badly needed game action on Saturday. 🍺
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