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Post by chargerfreak on Sept 2, 2021 8:13:35 GMT -7
We do. He went to the FIRST team that could claim him right out of the box. THAT tells you a lot. You want the most talented guy at his position on YOUR team. He take take the top off, he makes a defense play back, and is the better more valuable WR than Hill and Guyton. When you are in KC for the playoffs versus Mahomes, you need explosive 7 points, no one gives a shit at that point that Guyton can run downfield on a kickoff and not make any tackles. REACT AS I DESTROY THIS DECISION !!!!!! This one seems to have triggered your dark side a bit, let’s get a bit of perspective, yes tyron is an ascending player but it’s not like his departure has gutted our WR corps and with palmer in the fold this’ll still be a fun and competitive group to watch all season. Last year a lot of people were furious with the desmond king departure and what happened there? Apparently the sky wasn’t falling… That’s the thing too many players fail to realize about the NFL, unlike basketball or even baseball, not all but the vast majority of these football players can be replaced quickly. Whatever tyron did to piss off staley, I bet he regrets it now because even the chargers are on higher level than teams like the jaguars, texans, lions, and bengals. Tyron descended from purgatory straight into the bowels of hell  There is nothing end of the world about it. Its not like they cut Herbert or something. It's merely a matter of wanting the best we have to make the roster. Johnson might have been 4th, but it's still part of the roster. His hands alone separate him from Guyton. Hill doesn't even get playing time at WR.
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Post by frozendisc on Sept 2, 2021 8:16:06 GMT -7
I could see that happening and I’m pulling for staley to succeed big time, but he’s too idealistic if he doesn’t realize that he’s never going to assemble a full roster of guys that looks up to him unconditionally and accepts every word he says like the gospel. There’s always going to be that 1-2 guys that don’t think he’s all that awesome of a coach and test him because his methods are more educator like and less drill sergeant like, so some players might think he’s weak. It’s sets a bad precedent with the rest of the football team if his first instinct is to cut a very talented player that may have challenged him behind closed doors. The players themselves don’t like to see talent walking out the door because their livelihoods depend on it. This cut might make him look like he’s less resourceful than he is, IDK even the best coaches in league history have dealt with these types of situations poorly. I am a bit concerned (but not that much)because cutting Tyron brought the team nothing in return value wise and I don’t believe it’s smart team building to dispose of talent without some type of return.. Worse case scenario Tyron would have netted the chargers a comp pick but I’m certain he could’ve been traded before the deadline and now the team gets nothing in exchange for a player that is clearly ascending and becoming a very good NFL starting caliber WR. Solid post. Great point about we got nothing for Johnson. Perhaps what Staley said was actually true.....it was a very difficult decision. I read that as the player was in the battle right to the end.....which of course handcuffs TT in any attempt to trade him.
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Post by frozendisc on Sept 2, 2021 8:19:55 GMT -7
Its a gamble... The special teams experience excuse is a lame one IMHO. It was a bad move, TJ is clearly head and shoulders better than Guyton or Hill... But with all that said I think this move will be forgotten by this time next week. Everyone on Staley's jock just better be ready for backlash if we end up needing some capable backup WR's... Not too sure what you prefer......a solid 6 WR room and continued poor ST's play. Or perhaps an attempt to correct that poor ST's play by an emphasis on keeping players that can help ST's.
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Post by chargerfreak on Sept 2, 2021 8:21:04 GMT -7
Solid post. Great point about we got nothing for Johnson. Perhaps what Staley said was actually true.....it was a very difficult decision. I read that as the player was in the battle right to the end.....which of course handcuffs TT in any attempt to trade him. Something went on. You don't hand him to the first team on the waiver wire for nothing. Maybe he slapped Staley. maybe he told the WR coach to go take a flying leap. Who knows.
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Post by chargerfreak on Sept 2, 2021 8:22:54 GMT -7
Its a gamble... The special teams experience excuse is a lame one IMHO. It was a bad move, TJ is clearly head and shoulders better than Guyton or Hill... But with all that said I think this move will be forgotten by this time next week. Everyone on Staley's jock just better be ready for backlash if we end up needing some capable backup WR's... Not too sure what you prefer......a solid 6 WR room and continued poor ST's play. Or perhaps an attempt to correct that poor ST's play by an emphasis on keeping players that can help ST's. I will promise you this to the very depth of my football knowledge. Having Guyton run downfield and not tackle anyone is not changing our miserable special teams.
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Post by frozendisc on Sept 2, 2021 8:25:50 GMT -7
Perhaps what Staley said was actually true.....it was a very difficult decision. I read that as the player was in the battle right to the end.....which of course handcuffs TT in any attempt to trade him. Something went on. You don't hand him to the first team on the waiver wire for nothing. Maybe he slapped Staley. maybe he told the WR coach to go take a flying leap. Who knows. Peddling your guesses....... Just maybe he wasn't quite good enough.
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Post by frozendisc on Sept 2, 2021 8:26:55 GMT -7
Not too sure what you prefer......a solid 6 WR room and continued poor ST's play. Or perhaps an attempt to correct that poor ST's play by an emphasis on keeping players that can help ST's. I will promise you this to the very depth of my football knowledge. Having Guyton run downfield and not tackle anyone is not changing our miserable special teams. Having TJ on the sidelines not playing ST's isn't either......
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Post by fouts2herbert on Sept 2, 2021 8:26:59 GMT -7
This one seems to have triggered your dark side a bit, let’s get a bit of perspective, yes tyron is an ascending player but it’s not like his departure has gutted our WR corps and with palmer in the fold this’ll still be a fun and competitive group to watch all season. Last year a lot of people were furious with the desmond king departure and what happened there? Apparently the sky wasn’t falling… That’s the thing too many players fail to realize about the NFL, unlike basketball or even baseball, not all but the vast majority of these football players can be replaced quickly. Whatever tyron did to piss off staley, I bet he regrets it now because even the chargers are on higher level than teams like the jaguars, texans, lions, and bengals. Tyron descended from purgatory straight into the bowels of hell There is nothing end of the world about it. Its not like they cut Herbert or something. It's merely a matter of wanting the best we have to make the roster. Johnson might have been 4th, but it's still part of the roster. His hands alone separate him from Guyton. Hill doesn't even get playing time at WR. I agree he was arguably the fourth best talented, although if guyton has continued to improve his hands and his route running the coaches might’ve arguably felt otherwise. But nonetheless and it’s not even up for discussion, tyron deserved to be on the roster over KJ ‘plays like he’s over the’ hill and the special teams justification is lame as wac because hill sucks as a returner, his decision making on returns was garbage in the preseason to the point were a very average bandy outshined him in preseason on fewer reps.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Sept 2, 2021 8:29:04 GMT -7
Solid post. Great point about we got nothing for Johnson. Perhaps what Staley said was actually true.....it was a very difficult decision. I read that as the player was in the battle right to the end.....which of course handcuffs TT in any attempt to trade him. What if they tried to trade him but his vaccination status nixed any chance of it? Later on if tyron blows up and becomes the next antonio brown I’m sure he’ll let us know what happened…
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Post by frozendisc on Sept 2, 2021 8:30:54 GMT -7
Perhaps what Staley said was actually true.....it was a very difficult decision. I read that as the player was in the battle right to the end.....which of course handcuffs TT in any attempt to trade him. What if they tried to trade him but his vaccination status nixed any chance of it? Later on if tyron blows up and becomes the next antonio brown I’m sure he’ll let us know what happened… The 'what if's' seem endless....... What if the Chargers win the Super Bowl......nobody will give one hoot about that WR going to Jax.....
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Post by fouts2herbert on Sept 2, 2021 8:34:24 GMT -7
What if they tried to trade him but his vaccination status nixed any chance of it? Later on if tyron blows up and becomes the next antonio brown I’m sure he’ll let us know what happened… The 'what if's' seem endless....... What if the Chargers win the Super Bowl......nobody will give one hoot about that WR going to Jax..... You of all people should appreciate a good ‘what if’ your the undisputed king of that shit in the 6-7 months I’ve been posting here 
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Post by frozendisc on Sept 2, 2021 8:37:57 GMT -7
The 'what if's' seem endless....... What if the Chargers win the Super Bowl......nobody will give one hoot about that WR going to Jax..... You of all people should appreciate a good ‘what if’ your the undisputed king of that shit in the 6-7 months I’ve been posting here Right.......
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Post by moekid on Sept 2, 2021 8:57:37 GMT -7
Ty was 3 or 4 in terms did WR’s. I would argue 3 based on how he came on at the end of the season ahead of Guyton and Palmer is an unproven rookie. It raises questions about Staley’s judgment.
We have a big armed qb who can throw deep and only Guyton has the speed to get there but his hands are iffy. Ask KC how important speed is at WR
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Post by fouts2herbert on Sept 2, 2021 9:15:23 GMT -7
Ty was 3 or 4 in terms did WR’s. I would argue 3 based on how he came on at the end of the season ahead of Guyton and Palmer is an unproven rookie. It raises questions about Staley’s judgment. We have a big armed qb who can throw deep and only Guyton has the speed to get there but his hands are iffy. Ask KC how important speed is at WR Are you comparing tyron to tyreek?
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Post by moekid on Sept 2, 2021 9:17:29 GMT -7
Ty was 3 or 4 in terms did WR’s. I would argue 3 based on how he came on at the end of the season ahead of Guyton and Palmer is an unproven rookie. It raises questions about Staley’s judgment. We have a big armed qb who can throw deep and only Guyton has the speed to get there but his hands are iffy. Ask KC how important speed is at WR Are you comparing tyron to tyreek? Nope but they have other speed guys. They love speed |
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