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Post by moekid on Dec 17, 2021 18:08:21 GMT -7
I know I am just being bitter today, but darn ol' Anthony Lynn had a ton of one score losses. No one said, but I like the "mindset". It's same ol' same ol' until I see differently. Any hour now I'll be posting " Just win out now baby !" Just not this hour.... I see it differently. Staley keeps his foot on the gas even to the team's detriment. Lynn never had that mentality and no one liked Lynn's mindset. It is not the same 'ol same 'ol I said it before, I think Staley is relying on analytics to overcome his lack of experience. Hopefully he learns and has a more nuanced approach going forward. It’s the same ole, same ole results. Results are all that matters in the nfl. You want a moral victory? Good. Take it. I throw that shit back |
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Post by jefa on Dec 17, 2021 19:03:08 GMT -7
Has anyone mentioned that Pipkins had a good game? This and the D seemed to contain the run and put pressure on Mahomes. Special teams did its job. We had some positives. Coaching is where we failed.
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Post by fullquartpress on Dec 18, 2021 0:22:50 GMT -7
Has anyone mentioned that Pipkins had a good game? No, but Pipkins was good. Staley may need more flexibility in his 4th down decisions. I know the Chargers' kicker hasn't been safe since Benershka, and memorable blocked punts in the past 2 years(and 3 weeks ago, also make punting unsafe). I would have tried FG from the KC 1 with 3 seconds left in the half...mostly because the Chiefs' defense looked under control at the time. If defenders look tired, or rattled, 4th down plays, and even 2 point attempts, could be worthwhile. After typing that, I hope my 2 point suggestion doesn't give Staley any more inspiration.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 18, 2021 6:03:15 GMT -7
Has anyone mentioned that Pipkins had a good game? No, but Pipkins was good. Staley may need more flexibility in his 4th down decisions. I know the Chargers' kicker hasn't been safe since Benershka, and memorable blocked punts in the past 2 years(and 3 weeks ago, also make punting unsafe). I would have tried FG from the KC 1 with 3 seconds left in the half...mostly because the Chiefs' defense looked under control at the time. If defenders look tired, or rattled, 4th down plays, and even 2 point attempts, could be worthwhile. After typing that, I hope my 2 point suggestion doesn't give Staley any more inspiration.
Great post! Just like how our defense looked in the 4th... Gassed and frustrated. We def felt the absence of DJ and Samuel.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 18, 2021 8:00:06 GMT -7
Has anyone mentioned that Pipkins had a good game? This and the D seemed to contain the run and put pressure on Mahomes. Special teams did its job. We had some positives. Coaching is where we failed. The players had plenty of failure....
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Post by sdc on Dec 18, 2021 8:40:23 GMT -7
Has anyone mentioned that Pipkins had a good game? Coaching is where we failed. Blaming the coaches and front office is what fans do. The Chiefs now know that we will hold our own against them. Is that a coaching failure? Because that hasn’t been the case for years. Pipkins was vilified all preseason but was a boss. Was that a coaching failure? Personally, I think this team is in a great place with a 23 year old QB that just about every team in the NFL would kill to have paired with a brilliant, analytical, risk/reward HC whose biggest flaw is that he is the biggest neophyte at that level in the NFL by a wide margin. To believe that there wouldn’t be a massive learning curve is just plain ignorant. While you checker players blast him for the failed 4th down attempts, I’m sure his focus will be on why did they allow is to get to 4th down in the first place.
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Post by moekid on Dec 18, 2021 9:57:10 GMT -7
Coaching is where we failed. Blaming the coaches and front office is what fans do. The Chiefs now know that we will hold our own against them. Is that a coaching failure? Because that hasn’t been the case for years. Pipkins was vilified all preseason but was a boss. Was that a coaching failure? Personally, I think this team is in a great place with a 23 year old QB that just about every team in the NFL would kill to have paired with a brilliant, analytical, risk/reward HC whose biggest flaw is that he is the biggest neophyte at that level in the NFL by a wide margin. To believe that there wouldn’t be a massive learning curve is just plain ignorant. While you checker players blast him for the failed 4th down attempts, I’m sure his focus will be on why did they allow is to get to 4th down in the first place. We held our own with them last year. This year would be nice to actually move past them. Leaving aside the 4th down decisions, the thing that I couldn’t figure out on the first series of the game was why they didn’t run the ball. 4 straight passes. Similar red zone play calling issues with the other series. So to your point 4th down should not have been an issue. When it was have a feel for the game Staley. You don’t have to go for it every single time. And you shouldn’t have. I would have taken the points on a couple of those opportunities. No shame in kicking a fg. Something was a bit off with Herbert and the WR’s down close. Slavish devotion to analytics isn’t the answer Learning curve my ass. This isnt an apprentice position. He’s a head football coach of an nfl team. There’s only 32. You better ****ing be ready because guys are literally putting their lives on the line out there. You wanna tell Corey Linsley, hey man come and play for us. We’re gonna try out this young guy so there may be a learning curve. |
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Post by moekid on Dec 18, 2021 10:37:54 GMT -7
Staley has been watching too much Curb Your Enthusiasm
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 18, 2021 11:36:14 GMT -7
Blaming the coaches and front office is what fans do. The Chiefs now know that we will hold our own against them. Is that a coaching failure? Because that hasn’t been the case for years. Pipkins was vilified all preseason but was a boss. Was that a coaching failure? Personally, I think this team is in a great place with a 23 year old QB that just about every team in the NFL would kill to have paired with a brilliant, analytical, risk/reward HC whose biggest flaw is that he is the biggest neophyte at that level in the NFL by a wide margin. To believe that there wouldn’t be a massive learning curve is just plain ignorant. While you checker players blast him for the failed 4th down attempts, I’m sure his focus will be on why did they allow is to get to 4th down in the first place. Leaving aside the 4th down decisions, the thing that I couldn’t figure out on the first series of the game was why they didn’t run the ball. 4 straight passes. Similar red zone play calling issues with the other series. So to your point 4th down should not have been an issue. When it was have a feel for the game Staley. You don’t have to go for it every single time. And you shouldn’t have. I would have taken the points on a couple of those opportunities. No shame in kicking a fg. Something was a bit off with Herbert and the WR’s down close. Slavish devotion to analytics isn’t the answer Learning curve my ass. This isnt an apprentice position. He’s a head football coach of an nfl team. There’s only 32. You better ****ing be ready because guys are literally putting their lives on the line out there. You wanna tell Corey Linsley, hey man come and play for us. We’re gonna try out this young guy so there may be a learning curve. Exactly! The lengths people are going to defend the poor 4th down decisions is mind boggling. I understand giving your coach the benefit of the doubt, but damn... Empowering that horrible decision making is insane. Its ok though... Lose enough games and the attitudes will change. Its not enough to "hold our own" with anyone anymore.
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 18, 2021 13:23:04 GMT -7
Query if people want: (a) a traditionalist coach and subjectivist decision-making, or (b) data-driven coach and objectivist decision-making with an aggressive bias.
While (b) might lead to some discreet failures, so might (a). In the end, the players have to make plays. Plenty of offensive drops and defensive miscues led to the ultimate result in this game.
In hindsight, a single field goal could have won the game. In hindsight. I wonder what the data says with the added benefit of the data from the game.
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Post by moekid on Dec 18, 2021 13:51:43 GMT -7
Query if people want: (a) a traditionalist coach and subjectivist decision-making, or (b) data-driven coach and objectivist decision-making with an aggressive bias. While (b) might lead to some discreet failures, so might (a). In the end, the players have to make plays. Plenty of offensive drops and defensive miscues led to the ultimate result in this game. In hindsight, a single field goal could have won the game. In hindsight. I wonder what the data says with the added benefit of the data from the game. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing as it comes to data does it? You have to have some human feel for the game mixed into the analytics. That’s where Staley has both succeeded and failed this season. |
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 18, 2021 13:55:49 GMT -7
Query if people want: (a) a traditionalist coach and subjectivist decision-making, or (b) data-driven coach and objectivist decision-making with an aggressive bias. While (b) might lead to some discreet failures, so might (a). In the end, the players have to make plays. Plenty of offensive drops and defensive miscues led to the ultimate result in this game. In hindsight, a single field goal could have won the game. In hindsight. I wonder what the data says with the added benefit of the data from the game. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing as it comes to data does it? You have to have some human feel for the game mixed into the analytics. That’s where Staley has both succeeded and failed this season. No doubt, and thus why I suggested it was data-driven with a bias. I think Staley is using data but overlays his feel of the game and, probably, his trust and desire to put it in the team’s hands. Whether or not that’s wise, remains to be seen over time. So far it seems to cut both ways. |
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Post by totallybolted on Dec 18, 2021 16:05:32 GMT -7
No, but Pipkins was good. Staley may need more flexibility in his 4th down decisions. I know the Chargers' kicker hasn't been safe since Benershka, and memorable blocked punts in the past 2 years(and 3 weeks ago, also make punting unsafe). I would have tried FG from the KC 1 with 3 seconds left in the half...mostly because the Chiefs' defense looked under control at the time. If defenders look tired, or rattled, 4th down plays, and even 2 point attempts, could be worthwhile. After typing that, I hope my 2 point suggestion doesn't give Staley any more inspiration.
Great post! Just like how our defense looked in the 4th... Gassed and frustrated. We def felt the absence of DJ and Samuel. DJ = glass Asante is not his dad. He's a bit on the fargile side too
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 19, 2021 6:18:47 GMT -7
Great post! Just like how our defense looked in the 4th... Gassed and frustrated. We def felt the absence of DJ and Samuel. DJ = glass Asante is not his dad. He's a bit on the fargile side too True, but Samuel was playing great at the beginning of the season. Anyone can be fragile if they get hit in the head twice in a row.
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Post by totallybolted on Dec 19, 2021 10:08:04 GMT -7
DJ = glass Asante is not his dad. He's a bit on the fargile side too True, but Samuel was playing great at the beginning of the season. Anyone can be fragile if they get hit in the head twice in a row. maybe the actual charger curse is the more talented they are the less durable. Now if we only could get rid of the ownership curse
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