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Post by frozendisc on Nov 1, 2021 8:17:48 GMT -7
It is almost always a lack of talent. When there is talent on the ice, they overcome poor coaching by being innovated..... The Patriots did not enjoy an advantage in talent today. Most would probably say the opposite. What they did enjoy was vastly superior coaching This might seem like splitting hairs, but the only consistent edge that Belichick seems to have every week is his players seem quite focused. I am certain there are Patriot games that lacked said focus, but most of the time it is there. Getting the players focused is certainly part of the coaching expectation, and an aspect that Staley is discovering how difficult it is. The X's and O's of the game are nothing new to anyone that attains HC, it is the managing the separates the regularly winning coaches from the losing ones. I don't see Belichick, or Reid in KC, as iron fist disciplinarians in their style, and it certainly is not Staley's style, yet something is needed to wake up this club.....before it no longer matters.
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Post by lightsout42 on Nov 1, 2021 8:19:44 GMT -7
Talent is a problem and if the Chargers don’t start investing more high picks into the OL and DL, and hitting on more generally, the problem will continue. I’m also not sold on the coordinators, particularly Lombardi and Swinton, though the latter squad’s play may be talent-driven.
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Post by lightsout42 on Nov 1, 2021 8:20:41 GMT -7
Applicable here also: Chargers’ list of needs for 2022: - New coordinators - ROT, ROG, OL depth - DL - RB - CB - Safety depth - Special teams Get on it, Telesco. |
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 1, 2021 8:28:07 GMT -7
Ownership. The one constant factor in every charger team. Its talent... Said it before and I'll say it again. TT is a mediocre GM and doesn't know how to build a roster. Spanos Jr. excuses be damned... You fail to acknowledge all that encompasses a GM's responsibilities to the club. TT is a very good GM. The task you pointed out, roster building, is by far the most visible task while it also happens to be the most difficult. Evaluating talent is beyond challenging. Just take an honest look at your preferences in this last draft AF, how many hits with those seven picks? It is hard, eh..... FA's being added to the roster is always a risky proposition.....if the player works out, GM is a genius.....if the player is a Bulaga, GM is an idiot. Personally, I like that TT is cautious....
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 1, 2021 8:31:27 GMT -7
Applicable here also: Chargers’ list of needs for 2022: - New coordinators - ROT, ROG, OL depth - DL - RB - CB - Safety depth - Special teams Get on it, Telesco. Seven games in and you are calling for investment in OL as a top priority.....man the pitchforks will be coming for you! I do agree though.....OL/DL is huge need....still.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 1, 2021 10:00:29 GMT -7
The Patriots did not enjoy an advantage in talent today. Most would probably say the opposite. What they did enjoy was vastly superior coaching This might seem like splitting hairs, but the only consistent edge that Belichick seems to have every week is his players seem quite focused. I am certain there are Patriot games that lacked said focus, but most of the time it is there. Getting the players focused is certainly part of the coaching expectation, and an aspect that Staley is discovering how difficult it is. The X's and O's of the game are nothing new to anyone that attains HC, it is the managing the separates the regularly winning coaches from the losing ones. I don't see Belichick, or Reid in KC, as iron fist disciplinarians in their style, and it certainly is not Staley's style, yet something is needed to wake up this club.....before it no longer matters. He is definitely iron fist discipline ....all the way !
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 1, 2021 10:47:35 GMT -7
Its talent... Said it before and I'll say it again. TT is a mediocre GM and doesn't know how to build a roster. Spanos Jr. excuses be damned... You fail to acknowledge all that encompasses a GM's responsibilities to the club. TT is a very good GM. The task you pointed out, roster building, is by far the most visible task while it also happens to be the most difficult. Evaluating talent is beyond challenging. Just take an honest look at your preferences in this last draft AF, how many hits with those seven picks? It is hard, eh..... FA's being added to the roster is always a risky proposition.....if the player works out, GM is a genius.....if the player is a Bulaga, GM is an idiot. Personally, I like that TT is cautious.... Its cool you like mediocre rosters with bargain basement free agents, we'll never win a ring with that philosophy. Prove that statement wrong, we have no rings. I will give TT credit for one thing because you mention his other responsibilities... He is good at saving Spanos money, he seems good at writing contracts. Big woop... Saving Spanos money doesn't get us playoff wins.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 1, 2021 11:28:31 GMT -7
You fail to acknowledge all that encompasses a GM's responsibilities to the club. TT is a very good GM. The task you pointed out, roster building, is by far the most visible task while it also happens to be the most difficult. Evaluating talent is beyond challenging. Just take an honest look at your preferences in this last draft AF, how many hits with those seven picks? It is hard, eh..... FA's being added to the roster is always a risky proposition.....if the player works out, GM is a genius.....if the player is a Bulaga, GM is an idiot. Personally, I like that TT is cautious.... Its cool you like mediocre rosters with bargain basement free agents, we'll never win a ring with that philosophy. Prove that statement wrong, we have no rings. I will give TT credit for one thing because you mention his other responsibilities... He is good at saving Spanos money, he seems good at writing contracts. Big woop... Saving Spanos money doesn't get us playoff wins. I understand the frustration, but that frustration is impeding your opinion. Clearly the Chargers current OC was/is far from a "bargain basement FA"...... TT looks into all the top FA's each year, but getting a signature is far more challenging then you realize. I believe Spanos, or more accurately the Chargers, spend to the limit of the cap, or pretty close to it. I cannot speak to the areas of the organization that are not regulated by cap spending, but I have never heard any complaints about staff or facilities.
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Post by sonorajim on Nov 1, 2021 12:01:37 GMT -7
It is almost always a lack of talent. When there is talent on the ice, they overcome poor coaching by being innovated..... The Patriots did not enjoy an advantage in talent today. Most would probably say the opposite. What they did enjoy was vastly superior coaching I'm not sure that Herbert is a more talented QB than Jones or that NE's WRs, TEs, RBs, OL didn't compare well. I do believe NE was better coached and that the NE 27 - LAC 24 score was a clear representation of that. They were 3 points better coached.
I did observe that we were vastly improved over last year's meeting with NE.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 1, 2021 13:04:04 GMT -7
Ownership. The one constant factor in every charger team. GM's, HC's, coaching staff, scouts, trainers, equipment managers, on and on......are all constant factors in every organization, year after year.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 1, 2021 13:06:35 GMT -7
Some people are saying trade Herbert for Deshaun Watson. Whew. People are hot now.
I would like it for the massage coverage, but its not for everyone...............
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 1, 2021 13:07:57 GMT -7
Ownership. The one constant factor in every charger team. on and on......are all constant factors in every organization, year after year. Same, new, new, same?, new, new ? .....................
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 2, 2021 4:18:05 GMT -7
Make no mistake, we ARE in win now mode... We SHOULD NOT be rebuilding at this point, Herbert's rookie contract demands it. TT needs to start doing things outside his comfort zone to bring in playmakers, and IMHO that is making some trades and giving up SOME draft capital that he usually whiffs on anyways. FFS...
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 2, 2021 5:30:21 GMT -7
Make no mistake, we ARE in win now mode... We SHOULD NOT be rebuilding at this point, Herbert's rookie contract demands it. TT needs to start doing things outside his comfort zone to bring in playmakers, and IMHO that is making some trades and giving up SOME draft capital that he usually whiffs on anyways. FFS... I'll make you feel better. The Rams traded for Von Miller. We make the exact same trade to get Kenneth Murray. Let that sink in for a minute.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 2, 2021 5:40:43 GMT -7
Make no mistake, we ARE in win now mode... We SHOULD NOT be rebuilding at this point, Herbert's rookie contract demands it. TT needs to start doing things outside his comfort zone to bring in playmakers, and IMHO that is making some trades and giving up SOME draft capital that he usually whiffs on anyways. FFS... I would like to believe the Chargers are in 'win now' mode every game..... So TT called up Denver when he heard Vonn Miller might be available.....he was told they would not trade him inside the AFC. TT called up a GM from an east coast team that had a couple talented RB's hoping one might be available for trade. The GM says let's talk.....they work on a deal to the point that a bit of news slips out, the RB's agent informs the current GM his guy will not report to the Chargers if traded. Pressure is on TT from AF off of the Chargers message board to get something done "FFS".....so he trades a 6th round pick for a WR that hasn't made a catch all season. Pressure is now off...... My point in all of the above foolery is that making a trade that is good for your perspective, your club, is far more difficult than people realize. Both GM's want to be viewed as 'winning' the trade, or maybe just not losing in it. Why was Denver willing to trade Miller for some late round picks? Is that all they thought of him at this point? Or do they love him and are giving him a shot at a Super Bowl by trading him to what they feel is a contender? GM's talk plenty, names get thrown around a bunch, few trades happen....there is a reason for that.
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