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Post by headtrip on Mar 13, 2019 18:24:22 GMT -7
We're going to have to lose more free agents than we sign to be eligible for a comp pick, so we probably aren't getting anything for Williams.
IIRC.
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Post by pacstud on Mar 13, 2019 18:26:09 GMT -7
We're going to have to lose more free agents than we sign to be eligible for a comp pick, so we probably aren't getting anything for Williams. IIRC. I think contract comes into play. Not a huge deal either way...we have two good receivers. With Henry healthy and MGIII, touches will be sparse. We can bring in any number of guys to compete.
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Post by headtrip on Mar 13, 2019 18:30:07 GMT -7
We're going to have to lose more free agents than we sign to be eligible for a comp pick, so we probably aren't getting anything for Williams. IIRC. I think contract comes into play. Not a huge deal either way...we have two good receivers. With Henry healthy and MGIII, touches will be sparse. We can bring in any number of guys to compete. Benjamin brings pretty much the exact same skillset too. I doubt we feel this loss much. |
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Post by ltocbolts on Mar 13, 2019 19:27:37 GMT -7
I think contract comes into play. Not a huge deal either way...we have two good receivers. With Henry healthy and MGIII, touches will be sparse. We can bring in any number of guys to compete. Benjamin brings pretty much the exact same skillset too. I doubt we feel this loss much. No. No he doesn't. I mean, I guess they're both fast. But 6'4" 205 with speed is NOT equal to 5'10" 175. (It's definitely not "exactly" the same.)
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 13, 2019 19:29:54 GMT -7
Hindsight here; Why didn't they sign him last year to a reasonable contract, when nobody wanted him on 2nd round tender. Perhaps 'they' were part of the 'nobody' contingent..... Double AB, making TW the primary target should make for a few TO's for the D.... TW did not get #1 WR money going to the Raturds, makes me think that offer from TT was really low.
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Post by lvboltfan on Mar 13, 2019 20:59:15 GMT -7
I don't think anyone thinks he is a #1 WR on the Chargers. More as a complimentary piece. He has come a long way from his rookie year. Hard to see talent have to go.
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Post by SuperBowlBolts on Mar 13, 2019 23:32:24 GMT -7
I think contract comes into play. Not a huge deal either way...we have two good receivers. With Henry healthy and MGIII, touches will be sparse. We can bring in any number of guys to compete. Benjamin brings pretty much the exact same skillset too. I doubt we feel this loss much. Sure...but Benjamin has sucked the last two years all things considered. Heck last year the dude caught 12 passes. Yeah, i know he was injured a lot but still. Tyrell is the better player, not that I’d pay what the raiders paid. I do think Benjamin is overpaid. |
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Post by moekid on Mar 13, 2019 23:34:23 GMT -7
I don't think anyone thinks he is a #1 WR on the Chargers. More as a complimentary piece. He has come a long way from his rookie year. Hard to see talent have to go. Agree. Good for him. UDFA and worked himself into an nfl player. Never misses games either. Hate to see him go to the Raiders of all teams. |
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Post by headtrip on Mar 14, 2019 0:34:33 GMT -7
Benjamin brings pretty much the exact same skillset too. I doubt we feel this loss much. No. No he doesn't. I mean, I guess they're both fast. But 6'4" 205 with speed is NOT equal to 5'10" 175. (It's definitely not "exactly" the same.) They're both one dimensional speed players. Williams has a size advantage he doesn't really use. He doesnt high point or box out. Both open up the field a bit. It would have been nice to keep him, but his production isn't uncommon or difficult to replace. |
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Post by headtrip on Mar 14, 2019 0:39:44 GMT -7
Benjamin brings pretty much the exact same skillset too. I doubt we feel this loss much. Sure...but Benjamin has sucked the last two years all things considered. Heck last year the dude caught 12 passes. Yeah, i know he was injured a lot but still. Tyrell is the better player, not that I’d pay what the raiders paid. I do think Benjamin is overpaid. Agreed all the way around, I just don't think Williams is a guy we need to lament losing. |
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Post by chargerfreak on Mar 14, 2019 2:45:56 GMT -7
T. Williams got a 4 year deal worth up to a max of $47 million. Overpaid or just right? That's a lot of bank. raiders always have a ton of Cap money. I mean that isn't THAT far away from AB's money. There is no way TT was ever going to pay that. Congrats TW. Sad. We lost our own.
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Post by chargerfreak on Mar 14, 2019 3:05:24 GMT -7
The guaranteed money is the determining factor in performing that analysis. Overpaid if that $22 million is in fact fully guaranteed. Over 4 years in today's rising Cap total's for WR's ? Also, define overpaid when the raiders usually have the most cap space in the league. They have it, might as well spend it, in fact they have to to a point. He'll never see the 4th year, so that reduces the total contract. When we dig deeper, you can throw his stats out the window. They mean nothing. Rivers spreads the ball around so much, and there's only one ball. Led the team in YPC. Our WR Corp is so good, TW being a 2 or a 3 means he is other teams 1, and GM's during free agency said so as well. Overpaid in TT's tight controlled cap formula ? Yes. The raiders? No. A market of rising contracts, WR pay, viewed as possible #1 WR status, raiders excess Cap space. Overpaid may mean just about right.
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Post by joemcrugby on Mar 14, 2019 4:19:19 GMT -7
I am not familiar with how the cap works, but IMO it would be better to keep T Will over Benjamin. TT says Chargers like to draft and develop their own players. They spent the time and effort to develop T Will, and now he's gone to the Raiders for nothing I would have as well, and I’m sure that TT felt the same. However, Benjamin was already signed to a short term deal and they would have taken a seven-figure cap hit in 2018 had they released him from his deal. The second contract is an NFL player’s big payday (it was Benjamin’s second contract), and TWill’s agent was looking for a big payday that he ended up getting in 2019 from the Raiders. Nobody was willing to give up a 2nd round pick AND a big contract for TWill in 2018. That changed when the draft pick compensation was removed in 2019. |
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 14, 2019 7:29:57 GMT -7
I am not familiar with how the cap works, but IMO it would be better to keep T Will over Benjamin. TT says Chargers like to draft and develop their own players. They spent the time and effort to develop T Will, and now he's gone to the Raiders for nothing I would have as well, and I’m sure that TT felt the same. However, Benjamin was already signed to a short term deal and they would have taken a six-figure cap hit in 2018 had they released him from his deal. The second contract is an NFL player’s big payday (it was Benjamin’s second contract), and TWill’s agent was looking for a big payday that he ended up getting in 2019 from the Raiders. Nobody was willing to give up a 2nd round pick AND a big contract for TWill in 2018. That changed when the draft pick compensation was removed in 2019. The Chargers had the opportunity to sign TW without the additional 2nd rd pick cost, and didn't...... My guess is they (club) looked at what TW wants (money/terms) and what TW brings (production) and decided no. That pretty much put TW out of their plans, and on a path to FA long ago.
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Post by lvboltfan on Mar 14, 2019 7:37:30 GMT -7
I would have as well, and I’m sure that TT felt the same. However, Benjamin was already signed to a short term deal and they would have taken a six-figure cap hit in 2018 had they released him from his deal. The second contract is an NFL player’s big payday (it was Benjamin’s second contract), and TWill’s agent was looking for a big payday that he ended up getting in 2019 from the Raiders. Nobody was willing to give up a 2nd round pick AND a big contract for TWill in 2018. That changed when the draft pick compensation was removed in 2019. The Chargers had the opportunity to sign TW without the additional 2nd rd pick cost, and didn't...... My guess is they (club) looked at what TW wants (money/terms) and what TW brings (production) and decided no. That pretty much put TW out of their plans, and on a path to FA long ago.
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