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Post by frozendisc on Mar 3, 2023 7:32:49 GMT -7
Isn't it the job of the offence to score? Every single possession, if it can. I want an OC that wants to score, score, score.....
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 3, 2023 7:49:57 GMT -7
Interesting... So McCarthy says Moore wants to "Light the scoreboard up!" but he wanted to run more and rest the defense... Curious how this translates for us. Will there be even less or the same low emphasis on the run game that Lombardi had? Does McCarthy have a point or is he FOS? Hypothetical...... 1st quarter is over. Your offence has had a time of possession of 1:06. Your Offence has had 7 plays. You lead 28-0...... Are you upset with your offence players, your OC? McCarthy should shut up......there is no win in this or him.
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Post by afboltfan on Mar 3, 2023 8:43:08 GMT -7
I think what he is getting at is passing every down even if it fails and going 4 and out thus putting your defense on the field more often. In your hypothetical situation I don't think anyone would be upset, and likely not what he is talking about.
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 3, 2023 9:20:56 GMT -7
I think what he is getting at is passing every down even if it fails and going 4 and out thus putting your defense on the field more often. In your hypothetical situation I don't think anyone would be upset, and likely not what he is talking about. I understand that McCarthy's position is to look at the big picture, but that same understanding of roles applies to Moore as well. Moore's job is to score, not protect the defence from getting tired. If the defence is tired the DC should address that. Scoring TD's too quickly is a problem I want......
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Post by afboltfan on Mar 3, 2023 11:57:58 GMT -7
I think what he is getting at is passing every down even if it fails and going 4 and out thus putting your defense on the field more often. In your hypothetical situation I don't think anyone would be upset, and likely not what he is talking about. I understand that McCarthy's position is to look at the big picture, but that same understanding of roles applies to Moore as well. Moore's job is to score, not protect the defence from getting tired.
If the defence is tired the DC should address that. Scoring TD's too quickly is a problem I want...... I actually disagree, ineffectively gunslinging it across the field is not the way to win games. You're too focused on the very rare idea of scoring a TD every possession, we're not talking about that. If you can't run the ball or refuse to and the defense suffers as a result of time of possession, I'd fire you too.
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Post by sdc on Mar 3, 2023 12:43:36 GMT -7
I understand that McCarthy's position is to look at the big picture, but that same understanding of roles applies to Moore as well. Moore's job is to score, not protect the defence from getting tired.
If the defence is tired the DC should address that. Scoring TD's too quickly is a problem I want...... I actually disagree, ineffectively gunslinging it across the field is not the way to win games. You're too focused on the very rare idea of scoring a TD every possession, we're not talking about that. If you can't run the ball or refuse to and the defense suffers as a result of time of possession, I'd fire you too. The Chiefs offense is very similar to ours just more effective. Number 1 in the league is passing and mediocre running the ball. We were 9th overall in time of possession and the Chiefs were 13th. While KC was more effective running the ball (approx. 20 yards per game), the difference is negligible. The Cowboys were measurably better than the Chiefs and Chargers running the ball but were measurably worse in time of possession. Running the ball wasn’t their problem, turnovers and not sustaining drives are the culprit. If McCarthy’s point was that you need balance, then I would agree. If he meant that you can’t go far in the playoffs if you can’t control the clock then I agree. But he really wasn’t talking about those things. He is acting like a petulant child because in an effort to save his job, he lost one of the two coaches that are actually well liked in Cowboy country. Instead of dealing with the blowback like a man, he decided to throw him under the bus to the media. He was probably pissed that Jerry wouldn’t allow him to fire Kellen in the first place. Word in Texas is that Moore to the Bolts was 100% on Kellen and that didn’t sit well with McCarthy. Dan Quinn is the other fan favorite and he’s untouchable due to being Jerry’s succession plan. All is not well in McCarthy’s world. His DC is beyond his control (at this point Quinn works for Jones), his ascending OC just quit him not the team, his bell cow back has no juice in his legs and a massive contract, and his QB is a turnover machine with a big fat contract. Yep, that’s all on Kellen Moore.
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 3, 2023 17:42:36 GMT -7
I understand that McCarthy's position is to look at the big picture, but that same understanding of roles applies to Moore as well. Moore's job is to score, not protect the defence from getting tired.
If the defence is tired the DC should address that. Scoring TD's too quickly is a problem I want...... I actually disagree, ineffectively gunslinging it across the field is not the way to win games. You're too focused on the very rare idea of scoring a TD every possession, we're not talking about that. If you can't run the ball or refuse to and the defense suffers as a result of time of possession, I'd fire you too. Nope, Moore's job as OC is to score points, and wanting to do it every single possession. Sorta like how Tom Brady approaches playing QB. Up 42 and heading out on the field to make it 49... Of course everybody knows you will not be 100% successful, but you want to be. God knows Moore better not call that play that is a TD every single time, because the last thing we want is another damn TD. Your view on this is simply ridiculous af.....and defending McCarthy equally so. Clearly Moore has running plays and passing plays in his offence, and the statistics might not be split 50/50, but they also are not 90/10. Moore is going to love Herbert, such a huge upgrade over Dak.
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Post by lightsout42 on Mar 3, 2023 19:28:57 GMT -7
I actually disagree, ineffectively gunslinging it across the field is not the way to win games. You're too focused on the very rare idea of scoring a TD every possession, we're not talking about that. If you can't run the ball or refuse to and the defense suffers as a result of time of possession, I'd fire you too. Nope, Moore's job as OC is to score points, and wanting to do it every single possession. Sorta like how Tom Brady approaches playing QB. Up 42 and heading out on the field to make it 49... Of course everybody knows you will not be 100% successful, but you want to be. God knows Moore better not call that play that is a TD every single time, because the last thing we want is another damn TD. Your view on this is simply ridiculous af.....and defending McCarthy equally so. Clearly Moore has running plays and passing plays in his offence, and the statistics might not be split 50/50, but they also are not 90/10. Moore is going to love Herbert, such a huge upgrade over Dak. The way to win in the modern NFL is score points. That’s why I would draft a TE or WR in Round 1, and Edge round 2, a TE/WR (whichever wasn’t taken in 1) in 3, and cut or trade mainly on the D side of the ball for cap room. Great teams are going to score on you. Can you outscore them? |
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Post by afboltfan on Mar 4, 2023 6:24:12 GMT -7
I actually disagree, ineffectively gunslinging it across the field is not the way to win games. You're too focused on the very rare idea of scoring a TD every possession, we're not talking about that. If you can't run the ball or refuse to and the defense suffers as a result of time of possession, I'd fire you too. Nope, Moore's job as OC is to score points, and wanting to do it every single possession. Sorta like how Tom Brady approaches playing QB. Up 42 and heading out on the field to make it 49... Of course everybody knows you will not be 100% successful, but you want to be. God knows Moore better not call that play that is a TD every single time, because the last thing we want is another damn TD. Your view on this is simply ridiculous af.....and defending McCarthy equally so. Clearly Moore has running plays and passing plays in his offence, and the statistics might not be split 50/50, but they also are not 90/10. Moore is going to love Herbert, such a huge upgrade over Dak. We're just talking over each other... I am by no means defending McCarthy, I am advocating for a balanced offense. If you don't understand that a HC and an OC work together to ensure they win the time of possession battle and attempt to spare the defense (as well as score TD's) then I don't know what to tell you. Its not so ridiculous when you get the idea I'm attacking Moore out of your head... I'm not.
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 4, 2023 7:30:24 GMT -7
Nope, Moore's job as OC is to score points, and wanting to do it every single possession. Sorta like how Tom Brady approaches playing QB. Up 42 and heading out on the field to make it 49... Of course everybody knows you will not be 100% successful, but you want to be. God knows Moore better not call that play that is a TD every single time, because the last thing we want is another damn TD. Your view on this is simply ridiculous af.....and defending McCarthy equally so. Clearly Moore has running plays and passing plays in his offence, and the statistics might not be split 50/50, but they also are not 90/10. Moore is going to love Herbert, such a huge upgrade over Dak. We're just talking over each other... I am by no means defending McCarthy, I am advocating for a balanced offense. If you don't understand that a HC and an OC work together to ensure they win the time of possession battle and attempt to spare the defense (as well as score TD's) then I don't know what to tell you. Its not so ridiculous when you get the idea I'm attacking Moore out of your head... I'm not. I do not think you are attacking Moore, take him out of the conversation completely. I am disagreeing with you on the task of the OC. I also do not care about 'balanced offence' or 'time of possession' statistics......Give me an OC that believes in scoring every single possession, and there are never enough possessions, never enough points. No HC has ever said to his OC 'don't score anymore points'.....pretty certain most points wins games. You are locked in on old school approach to game management.....let it go, embrace the freedom!
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Post by afboltfan on Mar 4, 2023 8:48:52 GMT -7
We're just talking over each other... I am by no means defending McCarthy, I am advocating for a balanced offense. If you don't understand that a HC and an OC work together to ensure they win the time of possession battle and attempt to spare the defense (as well as score TD's) then I don't know what to tell you. Its not so ridiculous when you get the idea I'm attacking Moore out of your head... I'm not. I do not think you are attacking Moore, take him out of the conversation completely. I am disagreeing with you on the task of the OC. I also do not care about 'balanced offence' or 'time of possession' statistics......Give me an OC that believes in scoring every single possession, and there are never enough possessions, never enough points. No HC has ever said to his OC 'don't score anymore points'.....pretty certain most points wins games. You are locked in on old school approach to game management.....let it go, embrace the freedom! Every OC wants to score every possession... We actually agree on the task of the OC. You have a made up scenario in your head about my opinion, I'm not saying anything to the contrary of scoring points... There is literally nothing old school about having a balanced offense and proper ToP/clock management. You must have loved Lombardi and having no running game, is that it? I bet not. C'mon man...
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Post by sonorajim on Mar 4, 2023 9:30:49 GMT -7
We were commonly top 3 in passing yards with Lombardi, scoring, a lot lower, rushing, bottom 3.
Moore's Dallas teams were more balanced R/P but higher scoring.
2022 Scoring O, Dal #3, LAC #13
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Post by chargerfreak on Mar 6, 2023 6:10:19 GMT -7
Interesting... So McCarthy says Moore wants to "Light the scoreboard up!" but he wanted to run more and rest the defense... Curious how this translates for us. Will there be even less or the same low emphasis on the run game that Lombardi had? Does McCarthy have a point or is he FOS? Hypothetical...... 1st quarter is over. Your offence has had a time of possession of 1:06. Your Offence has had 7 plays. You lead 28-0...... Are you upset with your offence players, your OC? McCarthy should shut up......there is no win in this or him. No no. Let McCarthy cry Moore. I am telling you we got a top notch OC in the NFL. I LOVED this signing. If you asked me who do you want for OC, I probably would have started with Kellen Moore. It's just none of us knew he was secretly available. McCarthy is not crying because Moore is average or below. Oh no no no. His reaction is because they know how good Moore is. Trust me on this.
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Post by chargerfreak on Mar 6, 2023 6:19:15 GMT -7
We're just talking over each other... I am by no means defending McCarthy, I am advocating for a balanced offense. If you don't understand that a HC and an OC work together to ensure they win the time of possession battle and attempt to spare the defense (as well as score TD's) then I don't know what to tell you. Its not so ridiculous when you get the idea I'm attacking Moore out of your head... I'm not. I do not think you are attacking Moore, take him out of the conversation completely. I am disagreeing with you on the task of the OC. I also do not care about 'balanced offence' or 'time of possession' statistics......Give me an OC that believes in scoring every single possession, and there are never enough possessions, never enough points. No HC has ever said to his OC 'don't score anymore points'.....pretty certain most points wins games. You are locked in on old school approach to game management.....let it go, embrace the freedom! Yes they have, and it just happened in the Superbowl. KC's running back on purpose did not score a TD. Late in the game and they did not want Philly to have time on the clock to go down and score.
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 6, 2023 7:50:32 GMT -7
I do not think you are attacking Moore, take him out of the conversation completely. I am disagreeing with you on the task of the OC. I also do not care about 'balanced offence' or 'time of possession' statistics......Give me an OC that believes in scoring every single possession, and there are never enough possessions, never enough points. No HC has ever said to his OC 'don't score anymore points'.....pretty certain most points wins games. You are locked in on old school approach to game management.....let it go, embrace the freedom! Yes they have, and it just happened in the Superbowl. KC's running back on purpose did not score a TD. Late in the game and they did not want Philly to have time on the clock to go down and score. But..... If they (KC) had chosen to score a TD, and Philly got the ball back and scored a TD, would they not be in the exact same point differential only with less time available? Are there instances or examples of where the offence is not trying to score? Sure, the classic being the kneel down to run out the clock. Give me TD's, I will address the problem of too many points over a pint while laughing.
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