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Post by afboltfan on Jun 2, 2023 11:11:59 GMT -7
Have you compared Lynn’s first 2 seasons to Staley’s? Pretty similar. Then the Chargers crash landed year 3. Do you expect the same with this team? I really do not. Herbert's rookie year, mathematically eliminated in week 13, won last 4 games in a row to close out the season. If Staley finishes 7-9 this year does he get fired?
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Post by frozendisc on Jun 2, 2023 16:53:02 GMT -7
Nature of the beast.....wanting the next hotshot HC usually means signing him before he is completely ready. To be fair, Staley improves each year, as opposed to Lynn, who clearly showed he is not HC level. Moore strikes me as one that will not jump at the HC offers, probably staying OC a year or two longer than needed. Have you compared Lynn’s first 2 seasons to Staley’s? I suppose you are looking at objective results, win loss type of results, while I am looking at more subjective criteria. In my opinion, it looked like Lynn had many 'deer in the headlights' moments, and was completely ill at ease in dealing with them. While Staley has certainly had his 'what the heck' moments, he has never looked like a coordinator in way over his head.
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Post by frozendisc on Jun 2, 2023 16:58:41 GMT -7
Pretty similar. Then the Chargers crash landed year 3. Do you expect the same with this team? I really do not. Herbert's rookie year, mathematically eliminated in week 13, won last 4 games in a row to close out the season. If Staley finishes 7-9 this year does he get fired? In all fairness, one would be wise to ask the question: what caused that record? If the answer is Staley's decisions, by all means you fire him. If the answer is.....lost Herbert for the year game 2..... of the 9 losses, 7 were by one point. Probably not firing Staley. So how you got to 7-9 would matter.....
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Post by moekid on Jun 2, 2023 17:17:43 GMT -7
Have you compared Lynn’s first 2 seasons to Staley’s? I suppose you are looking at objective results, win loss type of results, while I am looking at more subjective criteria. In my opinion, it looked like Lynn had many 'deer in the headlights' moments, and was completely ill at ease in dealing with them. While Staley has certainly had his 'what the heck' moments, he has never looked like a coordinator in way over his head. Just comparing records in 1st 2 seasons in response to comment that Staley is improving. You could argue that Lynn looked like was as well. 21-11 over 2 seasons compared to 19-15. Lynn went 1-1 in the playoffs compared to 0-1. I hope Staley isn’t on the same trajectory but it’s too early to tell. |
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Post by frozendisc on Jun 2, 2023 17:25:18 GMT -7
I suppose you are looking at objective results, win loss type of results, while I am looking at more subjective criteria. In my opinion, it looked like Lynn had many 'deer in the headlights' moments, and was completely ill at ease in dealing with them. While Staley has certainly had his 'what the heck' moments, he has never looked like a coordinator in way over his head. Just comparing records in 1st 2 seasons in response to comment that Staley is improving. You could argue that Lynn looked like was as well. 21-11 over 2 seasons compared to 19-15. Lynn went 1-1 in the playoffs compared to 0-1. I hope Staley isn’t on the same trajectory but it’s too early to tell. I understand the need to compare records, but they are not the be all end all for me. I trust the eye test much more so, and Lynn looked lost far too often. Staley doesn't at all.... Moore looks better than Staley already.....
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Post by moekid on Jun 2, 2023 17:49:18 GMT -7
Just comparing records in 1st 2 seasons in response to comment that Staley is improving. You could argue that Lynn looked like was as well. 21-11 over 2 seasons compared to 19-15. Lynn went 1-1 in the playoffs compared to 0-1. I hope Staley isn’t on the same trajectory but it’s too early to tell. I understand the need to compare records, but they are not the be all end all for me. I trust the eye test much more so, and Lynn looked lost far too often. Staley doesn't at all.... Moore looks better than Staley already..... No offense but at the end of the day records and results are all that matter in pro sports. Not frozendisc’s subjective view of how a guy “looks” |
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Post by frozendisc on Jun 3, 2023 5:39:19 GMT -7
I understand the need to compare records, but they are not the be all end all for me. I trust the eye test much more so, and Lynn looked lost far too often. Staley doesn't at all.... Moore looks better than Staley already..... No offense but at the end of the day records and results are all that matter in pro sports. Not frozendisc’s subjective view of how a guy “looks” At the end of the day, Lynn is not being considered for these HC openings, wonder why if it is all about record. Denver jump through hoops to get Peyton as their HC, and his PO record is only 9-8......it is much more than record.
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Post by moekid on Jun 3, 2023 8:07:17 GMT -7
No offense but at the end of the day records and results are all that matter in pro sports. Not frozendisc’s subjective view of how a guy “looks” At the end of the day, Lynn is not being considered for these HC openings, wonder why if it is all about record. Denver jump through hoops to get Peyton as their HC, and his PO record is only 9-8......it is much more than record. Lynn’s 3rd and 4th years are why he’s not getting offers. Only 9-8 in the playoffs? That’s pretty good. Lots of playoff games overall record is great, Super Bowl winner. |
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Post by moekid on Jun 3, 2023 8:34:25 GMT -7
And Lynn hasn’t gotten any looks nor has Mike McCoy whose first 2 seasons were again very similar to Staley except he also won a playoff game. Years 3 and 4 went off a Cliff just like Lynn. So Staley’s 3rd year will be telling.
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Post by sonorajim on Jun 3, 2023 10:29:15 GMT -7
And Lynn hasn’t gotten any looks nor has Mike McCoy whose first 2 seasons were again very similar to Staley except he also won a playoff game. Years 3 and 4 went off a Cliff just like Lynn. So Staley’s 3rd year will be telling.I agree. I believe that I see some real differences, positive differences but proof of that will be in how we play the coming season.
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Post by moekid on Jun 3, 2023 10:33:58 GMT -7
And Lynn hasn’t gotten any looks nor has Mike McCoy whose first 2 seasons were again very similar to Staley except he also won a playoff game. Years 3 and 4 went off a Cliff just like Lynn. So Staley’s 3rd year will be telling.I agree. I believe that I see some real differences, positive differences but proof of that will be in how we play the coming season. We’re all rooting for him to succeed! Hope springs eternal |
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Post by afboltfan on Jun 3, 2023 13:05:08 GMT -7
And Lynn hasn’t gotten any looks nor has Mike McCoy whose first 2 seasons were again very similar to Staley except he also won a playoff game. Years 3 and 4 went off a Cliff just like Lynn. So Staley’s 3rd year will be telling.I agree. I believe that I see some real differences, positive differences but proof of that will be in how we play the coming season. Honestly... The biggest difference has been the willingness to spend in free agency, that's it. There is literally nothing else different about this Charger team... You could argue better early round drafting as well, I'd agree with that.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 3, 2023 15:03:32 GMT -7
Neither was Staley but here we are. Nature of the beast.....wanting the next hotshot HC usually means signing him before he is completely ready. To be fair, Staley improves each year, as opposed to Lynn, who clearly showed he is not HC level. Moore strikes me as one that will not jump at the HC offers, probably staying OC a year or two longer than needed. I know his past he had interviews but no offers. |
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Post by sonorajim on Jun 3, 2023 16:18:28 GMT -7
I agree. I believe that I see some real differences, positive differences but proof of that will be in how we play the coming season. Honestly... The biggest difference has been the willingness to spend in free agency, that's it. There is literally nothing else different about this Charger team... You could argue better early round drafting as well, I'd agree with that. Healthy star players, WR group, an all pro ILB making on field D calls, new OC, DC, QB coach, ILB coach, secondary coach, Head Trainer, etc. Slater, for one is very high on working for Moore. Thinks OL will be one of, if not The Best. One writer expects Ekeler to break 1000 yds rushing finally.
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Post by frozendisc on Jun 3, 2023 16:40:19 GMT -7
And Lynn hasn’t gotten any looks nor has Mike McCoy whose first 2 seasons were again very similar to Staley except he also won a playoff game. Years 3 and 4 went off a Cliff just like Lynn. So Staley’s 3rd year will be telling.I agree. I believe that I see some real differences, positive differences but proof of that will be in how we play the coming season. Stay healthy, at least relatively so, and the Chargers will be the last club standing!
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