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Post by afboltfan on Jul 31, 2023 7:41:47 GMT -7
Has it, or has it always been so.....an ebb and flow, or back and forth over the years. (well at least since NFL had cap) Yes it has. The latest is when the mantra of "its a passing league" started, the writing was on the wall for running backs. One example is Tight Ends used to be the lowest paid, and it wasn't that long ago either. This 100% Notice how there are no more shut down corners... There is no Revis Island. Yes there are "very good" CBs in the league but nothing like Revis, Sanders, or Bailey anymore. Guys like Ramsey are good but overrated...
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Post by sdc on Jul 31, 2023 8:04:05 GMT -7
So in an attempt to justify more money to RB's, Derrick Henry is saying that there are times the RB touches the ball more than the QB.....and that RB's just want their fair share. Not too sure how the NFLPA handles this, but they will need to have a plan long before approaching the League. Owners love cost certainty, and results based pay.....not seeing the NFLPA ever accepting that. The last time I recall something like this it was regarding rookie contracts. Rookie contracts were so big that still productive players were getting cut before the should have. The rookie pay scale fixed that. In that instance the NFLPA agreed to reallocate money from one player group to distribute to another player group.
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Post by sdc on Jul 31, 2023 8:06:09 GMT -7
Yes it has. The latest is when the mantra of "its a passing league" started, the writing was on the wall for running backs. One example is Tight Ends used to be the lowest paid, and it wasn't that long ago either. This 100% Notice how there are no more shut down corners... There is no Revis Island. Yes there are "very good" CBs in the league but nothing like Revis, Sanders, or Bailey anymore. Guys like Ramsey are good but overrated... Sauce Gardener
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Post by afboltfan on Jul 31, 2023 11:06:52 GMT -7
This 100% Notice how there are no more shut down corners... There is no Revis Island. Yes there are "very good" CBs in the league but nothing like Revis, Sanders, or Bailey anymore. Guys like Ramsey are good but overrated... Sauce Gardener Potentially, but I'd say still "very good". At least for now... I'd also put him ahead of Surtain II. heavy.com/sports/ranking-the-top-5-cornerbacks-for-the-upcoming-2023-nfl-season/
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Post by lightsout42 on Jul 31, 2023 12:26:40 GMT -7
Maybe they should talk to those other players. Much more likely the NFLPA pushes for a no cap CBA...... They can try. But that seems very doubtful. More likely is that they get position group and/or player caps, maybe also performance based incentives to compensate players for over-performing their contract. |
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Post by frozendisc on Aug 1, 2023 6:19:34 GMT -7
Much more likely the NFLPA pushes for a no cap CBA...... They can try. But that seems very doubtful. More likely is that they get position group and/or player caps, maybe also performance based incentives to compensate players for over-performing their contract. Ownership would love a base pay for every player, call it whatever the minimum salary in NFL is now, then additional money earned via performance. Getting a true return on cost would be a dream. Maybe they, the NFLPA goes for a cap on how much one player can earn out of the cap. The NFL is Golden Goose, greed will kill it......
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 1, 2023 7:13:18 GMT -7
They can try. But that seems very doubtful. More likely is that they get position group and/or player caps, maybe also performance based incentives to compensate players for over-performing their contract. Ownership would love a base pay for every player, call it whatever the minimum salary in NFL is now, then additional money earned via performance. Getting a true return on cost would be a dream. Maybe they, the NFLPA goes for a cap on how much one player can earn out of the cap. The NFL is Golden Goose, greed will kill it...... Calling for the end of the cap is the NFL equivalent of crossing the Rubicon. NFL owners would let a season be cancelled before allowing that to happen. Besides, unlike the MLBPA that has a half-century of unity among the union membership, getting all NFL players to agree to giving up a year in a league where the average career length is less than 4 years, organizing NFLPA membership is like herding cats. Having said that, there will have to be tweaking of the system when a new CBA is agreed upon.
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Post by frozendisc on Aug 1, 2023 8:11:54 GMT -7
Ownership would love a base pay for every player, call it whatever the minimum salary in NFL is now, then additional money earned via performance. Getting a true return on cost would be a dream. Maybe they, the NFLPA goes for a cap on how much one player can earn out of the cap. The NFL is Golden Goose, greed will kill it...... Calling for the end of the cap is the NFL equivalent of crossing the Rubicon. NFL owners would let a season be cancelled before allowing that to happen. Besides, unlike the MLBPA that has a half-century of unity among the union membership, getting all NFL players to agree to giving up a year in a league where the average career length is less than 4 years, organizing NFLPA membership is like herding cats. Having said that, there will have to be tweaking of the system when a new CBA is agreed upon. The issue is not the cap, it is the distribution of the money under the cap. So keep the cap, but devise a system that allocates the money across the players more equitably? I have already suggested a starting point.....take all the money paid to the RB's....it adds up to X amount.....give each RB a base pay of league minimum.....then work out a schedule for distributing the rest of the money from this RB fund based off of player performance. As the cap increases, spread the increase evenly across all player group funds, provided each player group has a fund. Owners would love the cost certainty, and value received for performance based cost. NFLPA won't get the player support, so we are left with the shifting sands of player group valuation.....and the crying from the group that is not in favor.
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Post by ohioboltfan on Aug 1, 2023 8:26:54 GMT -7
As a fan, I've always wondered if some kind of equal base salary (in tons of dollars) was given to every player at their position, and then only performance bonuses separated the pay for superstar players and bench warmers.
And salaries may be based on experience so as players stick around the league they get paid more than rookies.
This would also give a coach more power if he controls playing time which is necessary to earn the performance bonuses for any player.
But being merit-based, every player would truly "earn" their money each season, instead of getting paid for past performances and then taking the big payday and Gaithering after that.
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Post by sonorajim on Aug 1, 2023 8:32:01 GMT -7
Owners and workers can grind away and equity for all is not going to happen.
Be assured of three things:
Somebody(s) is cheating.
If either side gets total control, the NFL is dead.
Negotiating is good.
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Post by frozendisc on Aug 1, 2023 8:38:02 GMT -7
As a fan, I've always wondered if some kind of equal base salary ( in tons of dollars) was given to every player at their position, and then only performance bonuses separated the pay for superstar players and bench warmers. And salaries may be based on experience so as players stick around the league they get paid more than rookies. This would also give a coach more power if he controls playing time which is necessary to earn the performance bonuses for any player. But being merit-based, every player would truly "earn" their money each season, instead of getting paid for past performances and then taking the big payday and Gaithering after that. There will always be controls......but the HC determining playing or not, and the subsequent performance earnings, is the big reason the players via their NFLPA will never agree. The current system is not perfect, but it is not terrible either. RB's want to see their value rise, push for a rule change allowing OL holding on running plays.....
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Post by frozendisc on Aug 1, 2023 8:40:07 GMT -7
Owners and workers can grind away and equity for all is not going to happen. Be assured of three things: Somebody(s) is cheating. If either side gets total control, the NFL is dead. Negotiating is good. If greed becomes too much of a driving force, this will all go away.....
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Post by amped on Aug 1, 2023 9:06:18 GMT -7
Owners and workers can grind away and equity for all is not going to happen. Be assured of three things: Somebody(s) is cheating. If either side gets total control, the NFL is dead. Negotiating is good. If greed becomes too much of a driving force, this will all go away..... Haha, What do you think the main driving force is now? Altruism?
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 1, 2023 9:26:06 GMT -7
As a fan, I've always wondered if some kind of equal base salary ( in tons of dollars) was given to every player at their position, and then only performance bonuses separated the pay for superstar players and bench warmers. And salaries may be based on experience so as players stick around the league they get paid more than rookies. This would also give a coach more power if he controls playing time which is necessary to earn the performance bonuses for any player. But being merit-based, every player would truly "earn" their money each season, instead of getting paid for past performances and then taking the big payday and Gaithering after that.Nominated term of the day.
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 1, 2023 9:28:09 GMT -7
If greed becomes too much of a driving force, this will all go away..... Haha, What do you think the main driving force is now? Altruism? Beautifully done. Nominated.
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