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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 1, 2023 9:32:25 GMT -7
Calling for the end of the cap is the NFL equivalent of crossing the Rubicon. NFL owners would let a season be cancelled before allowing that to happen. Besides, unlike the MLBPA that has a half-century of unity among the union membership, getting all NFL players to agree to giving up a year in a league where the average career length is less than 4 years, organizing NFLPA membership is like herding cats. Having said that, there will have to be tweaking of the system when a new CBA is agreed upon. The issue is not the cap, it is the distribution of the money under the cap. So keep the cap, but devise a system that allocates the money across the players more equitably? I have already suggested a starting point.....take all the money paid to the RB's....it adds up to X amount.....give each RB a base pay of league minimum.....then work out a schedule for distributing the rest of the money from this RB fund based off of player performance. As the cap increases, spread the increase evenly across all player group funds, provided each player group has a fund.
Owners would love the cost certainty, and value received for performance based cost. NFLPA won't get the player support, so we are left with the shifting sands of player group valuation.....and the crying from the group that is not in favor. Joe Freaking Burrow is not taking a pay cut so the running backs can get more. THAT I can tell you. You guys have left out security in your study of NFL socialism. Derrick Henry gets hurt and you want him to get league minimum. You are dreaming.
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 1, 2023 9:35:50 GMT -7
As a fan, I've always wondered if some kind of equal base salary ( in tons of dollars) was given to every player at their position, and then only performance bonuses separated the pay for superstar players and bench warmers. And salaries may be based on experience so as players stick around the league they get paid more than rookies. This would also give a coach more power if he controls playing time which is necessary to earn the performance bonuses for any player. But being merit-based, every player would truly "earn" their money each season, instead of getting paid for past performances and then taking the big payday and Gaithering after that.Nominated term of the day. That’s a blast from the past that is not a pleasant memory. 😔 |
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 1, 2023 9:49:55 GMT -7
The key is offering a path for RB’s that does not cut off a shot at free agency for top RB’s while still in their prime years; as it currently stands, teams use up all the rubber on a top RB’s tires before they finally hit free agency in their late 20’s.
This can’t be carved out as free agency eligibility standards for a single position: it means that the NFLPA will be pushing hard for changes to free agency eligibility and franchise tag rules for all positions in 2030 after the current CBA expires.
In the meantime, I can see the NFL & NFLPA negotiating a similar league wide pool of money for RB’s whose production greatly exceeds their compensation similar to the undrafted free agent pool of money for undrafted players who greatly exceed the normal expected production of an undrafted player on his rookie contract. It wouldn’t be all that much $$$, but it’s at least something before 2030.
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Post by frozendisc on Aug 1, 2023 16:57:17 GMT -7
The key is offering a path for RB’s that does not cut off a shot at free agency for top RB’s while still in their prime years; as it currently stands, teams use up all the rubber on a top RB’s tires before they finally hit free agency in their late 20’s. This can’t be carved out as free agency eligibility standards for a single position: it means that the NFLPA will be pushing hard for changes to free agency eligibility and franchise tag rules for all positions in 2030 after the current CBA expires. In the meantime, I can see the NFL & NFLPA negotiating a similar league wide pool of money for RB’s whose production greatly exceeds their compensation similar to the undrafted free agent pool of money for undrafted players who greatly exceed the normal expected production of an undrafted player on his rookie contract. It wouldn’t be all that much $$$, but it’s at least something before 2030. Or the league can do nothing.....just let the pendulum swing as it may. RB's are crying now, but by 2028 it could be CB's...or WR's....or? It is not as if these guys are not earning significant money compared to the average fan, eh
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Post by joemcrugby on Aug 1, 2023 21:57:28 GMT -7
The key is offering a path for RB’s that does not cut off a shot at free agency for top RB’s while still in their prime years; as it currently stands, teams use up all the rubber on a top RB’s tires before they finally hit free agency in their late 20’s. This can’t be carved out as free agency eligibility standards for a single position: it means that the NFLPA will be pushing hard for changes to free agency eligibility and franchise tag rules for all positions in 2030 after the current CBA expires. In the meantime, I can see the NFL & NFLPA negotiating a similar league wide pool of money for RB’s whose production greatly exceeds their compensation similar to the undrafted free agent pool of money for undrafted players who greatly exceed the normal expected production of an undrafted player on his rookie contract. It wouldn’t be all that much $$$, but it’s at least something before 2030. Or the league can do nothing.....just let the pendulum swing as it may. RB's are crying now, but by 2028 it could be CB's...or WR's....or? It is not as if these guys are not earning significant money compared to the average fan, eh Nah, no pendulum swing. The career-shortening physical abuse you take as a RB is not comparable to other positions. Lesson to Mommas: don’t let your sons grow up to be RB’s. It has always been and will always be the shortest career position and the pay will continue to be depressed no matter their level of contributions during the prime of their careers. By the time they can hit free agency in years 5, 6 or 7, their careers are universally seen as being on the downswing. |
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Post by afboltfan on Aug 2, 2023 4:24:08 GMT -7
The key is offering a path for RB’s that does not cut off a shot at free agency for top RB’s while still in their prime years; as it currently stands, teams use up all the rubber on a top RB’s tires before they finally hit free agency in their late 20’s. This can’t be carved out as free agency eligibility standards for a single position: it means that the NFLPA will be pushing hard for changes to free agency eligibility and franchise tag rules for all positions in 2030 after the current CBA expires. In the meantime, I can see the NFL & NFLPA negotiating a similar league wide pool of money for RB’s whose production greatly exceeds their compensation similar to the undrafted free agent pool of money for undrafted players who greatly exceed the normal expected production of an undrafted player on his rookie contract. It wouldn’t be all that much $$$, but it’s at least something before 2030. Or the league can do nothing.....just let the pendulum swing as it may. RB's are crying now, but by 2028 it could be CB's...or WR's....or? It is not as if these guys are not earning significant money compared to the average fan, eh This is totally irrelevant... Women's Soccer and WNBA players make significant money compared to the average fan yet will tell you they are grossly underpaid. Not really fair to minimize the issue as that same logic could be applied to alot of things...
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 2, 2023 4:58:57 GMT -7
Or the league can do nothing.....just let the pendulum swing as it may. RB's are crying now, but by 2028 it could be CB's...or WR's....or? It is not as if these guys are not earning significant money compared to the average fan, eh Nah, no pendulum swing. The career-shortening physical abuse you take as a RB is not comparable to other positions. Lesson to Mommas: don’t let your sons grow up to be RB’s. It has always been and will always be the shortest career position and the pay will continue to be depressed no matter their level of contributions during the prime of their careers. By the time they can hit free agency in years 5, 6 or 7, their careers are universally seen as being on the downswing. Mommas DO let your babies grow up to be LT.
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 2, 2023 5:03:07 GMT -7
The key is offering a path for RB’s that does not cut off a shot at free agency for top RB’s while still in their prime years; as it currently stands, teams use up all the rubber on a top RB’s tires before they finally hit free agency in their late 20’s. This can’t be carved out as free agency eligibility standards for a single position: it means that the NFLPA will be pushing hard for changes to free agency eligibility and franchise tag rules for all positions in 2030 after the current CBA expires. In the meantime, I can see the NFL & NFLPA negotiating a similar league wide pool of money for RB’s whose production greatly exceeds their compensation similar to the undrafted free agent pool of money for undrafted players who greatly exceed the normal expected production of an undrafted player on his rookie contract. It wouldn’t be all that much $$$, but it’s at least something before 2030. Or the league can do nothing.....just let the pendulum swing as it may. RB's are crying now, but by 2028 it could be CB's...or WR's....or? It is not as if these guys are not earning significant money compared to the average fan, eh I have been thinking of that lately, and you are correct. Let's take the Legion of Zoom leader Ekeler. He could make 8 million dollars this year. That was 8 million freaking fracking dollars !!! Average people can't relate to that. All the Zoom meetings in the world are not going to garner you sympathy with folks that cannot relate. "I'm ONLY making 8 million this year !" Really ?
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Post by afboltfan on Aug 2, 2023 6:33:04 GMT -7
Or the league can do nothing.....just let the pendulum swing as it may. RB's are crying now, but by 2028 it could be CB's...or WR's....or? It is not as if these guys are not earning significant money compared to the average fan, ehI have been thinking of that lately, and you are correct. Let's take the Legion of Zoom leader Ekeler. He could make 8 million dollars this year. That was 8 million freaking fracking dollars !!! Average people can't relate to that. All the Zoom meetings in the world are not going to garner you sympathy with folks that cannot relate. "I'm ONLY making 8 million this year !" Really ? I don't think it is so much the monetary value as much as the policy and current state of the position. Not only are RB's making significantly less money than comparable skill positions but the contract and franchise tag rules are clearly not in their favor. I sympathize simply because I don't compare my life or bank account to that of a professional athlete or celebrity...
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Post by frozendisc on Aug 2, 2023 6:49:57 GMT -7
Or the league can do nothing.....just let the pendulum swing as it may. RB's are crying now, but by 2028 it could be CB's...or WR's....or? It is not as if these guys are not earning significant money compared to the average fan, eh Nah, no pendulum swing. The career-shortening physical abuse you take as a RB is not comparable to other positions. Lesson to Mommas: don’t let your sons grow up to be RB’s. It has always been and will always be the shortest career position and the pay will continue to be depressed no matter their level of contributions during the prime of their careers. By the time they can hit free agency in years 5, 6 or 7, their careers are universally seen as being on the downswing. It is not the league's issue......and the NFLPA will have members squabbling with each other on fixes to this supposed issue. If it is still an issue when talks of a new CBA start, the league will simply ask why should we have exceptions for one group of players? Base pay, and Earned pay, will be the path for all players or none. It will allow for the rookie pay scale and 5th year options to go away.
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Post by frozendisc on Aug 2, 2023 6:57:10 GMT -7
Or the league can do nothing.....just let the pendulum swing as it may. RB's are crying now, but by 2028 it could be CB's...or WR's....or? It is not as if these guys are not earning significant money compared to the average fan, ehThis is totally irrelevant... Women's Soccer and WNBA players make significant money compared to the average fan yet will tell you they are grossly underpaid. Not really fair to minimize the issue as that same logic could be applied to alot of things... Many people feel they are underpaid.....but are they really? Women's hockey has been clamoring for money, using the men as an example of this unfairness. All one needs to do is look at the business side, revenue generated....
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Post by afboltfan on Aug 2, 2023 7:10:55 GMT -7
This is totally irrelevant... Women's Soccer and WNBA players make significant money compared to the average fan yet will tell you they are grossly underpaid. Not really fair to minimize the issue as that same logic could be applied to alot of things... Women's hockey has been clamoring for money, using the men as an example of this unfairness. All one needs to do is look at the business side, revenue generated.... Depends on who you ask... Who cares, its a pointless detraction from the issue at hand.
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 2, 2023 7:43:36 GMT -7
I have been thinking of that lately, and you are correct. Let's take the Legion of Zoom leader Ekeler. He could make 8 million dollars this year. That was 8 million freaking fracking dollars !!! Average people can't relate to that. All the Zoom meetings in the world are not going to garner you sympathy with folks that cannot relate. "I'm ONLY making 8 million this year !" Really ? Not only are RB's making significantly less money than comparable skill positions but the contract and franchise tag rules are clearly not in their favor. I sympathize simply because I don't compare my life or bank account to that of a professional athlete or celebrity... THAT my solid Charger Fan brother is untrue. It is ALWAYS a monetary value thing. $$ Did you know you can get Zoom Basic for free ?
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Post by afboltfan on Aug 2, 2023 9:51:51 GMT -7
I don't think it is so much the monetary value as much as the policy and current state of the position. Not only are RB's making significantly less money than comparable skill positions but the contract and franchise tag rules are clearly not in their favor. I sympathize simply because I don't compare my life or bank account to that of a professional athlete or celebrity... THAT my solid Charger Fan brother is untrue. It is ALWAYS a monetary value thing. $$ Did you know you can get Zoom Basic for free ? I mean for fans, at least me personally I don't care... 8 million or 100 million, I think RB's are getting screwed either way. Yea but with basic Zoom you can only have a 30min meeting. But I guess those RB's don't need that much time loooool.
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Post by chargerfreak on Aug 2, 2023 11:00:50 GMT -7
THAT my solid Charger Fan brother is untrue. It is ALWAYS a monetary value thing. $$ Did you know you can get Zoom Basic for free ? I mean for fans, at least me personally I don't care... 8 million or 100 million, I think RB's are getting screwed either way. Yea but with basic Zoom you can only have a 30min meeting. But I guess those RB's don't need that much time loooool. How long does it take for Ekeler to say we are all getting screwed and the running backs click the applause button ?
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