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Post by frozendisc on Sept 30, 2023 6:07:48 GMT -7
Time to see what the young safeties have. Keep it simple...? Hasn't simple worked better for us anyways...? Lean on our strengths... QB and a deep squad of WR's. Rush the QB with our OLB's. Find a way to bottle up Jacobs. Losing Linsley is huge, as the OL seems completely lost without his leadership. Keep it simple? The drop off in talent is beyond being helped by simplification..... Buckle up folks.....
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Post by boltnut on Sept 30, 2023 7:03:56 GMT -7
Time to see what the young safeties have. Keep it simple...? Hasn't simple worked better for us anyways...? Lean on our strengths... QB and a deep squad of WR's. Rush the QB with our OLB's. Find a way to bottle up Jacobs. Losing Linsley is huge, as the OL seems completely lost without his leadership. Keep it simple? The drop off in talent is beyond being helped by simplification..... Buckle up folks..... That was last year... using the Lombardi blocking scheme... if you can even call it a "blocking" scheme. Nobody seemed to block last year. It was only pre-season, but Clapp looked improved in Moore's scheme. I agree... it's a drop off in talent... but how talented do you have to be to block Jerry Tillery...? We got this. We beat the Raiders this weekend... take a bye... then get a number of players back after the bye. I'm bummed that MW is out for the season. But I'm excited to see what QJ and DD can do. With multiple WR's out last year, Joshua Palmer took a quantum leap (72 catches). Ekeler should be back after the bye... we're still going to put up 30+ points on dudes.
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Post by frozendisc on Sept 30, 2023 7:48:26 GMT -7
Losing Linsley is huge, as the OL seems completely lost without his leadership. Keep it simple? The drop off in talent is beyond being helped by simplification..... Buckle up folks..... That was last year... using the Lombardi blocking scheme... if you can even call it a "blocking" scheme. Nobody seemed to block last year. It was only pre-season, but Clapp looked improved in Moore's scheme. I agree... it's a drop off in talent... but how talented do you have to be to block Jerry Tillery...? We got this. We beat the Raiders this weekend... take a bye... then get a number of players back after the bye. I'm bummed that MW is out for the season. But I'm excited to see what QJ and DD can do. With multiple WR's out last year, Joshua Palmer took a quantum leap (72 catches). Ekeler should be back after the bye... we're still going to put up 30+ points on dudes. Yes, different scheme.....does that help those OL players that need the help? We shall see..... Putting up points is crucial, as it is a huge guess what this injured D will do. Young players thrown into the battle, some survive, some die. Getting to the bye at 2-2 is a must happen......then hoping some players get back into the fray!
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Post by boltnut on Sept 30, 2023 8:34:29 GMT -7
That was last year... using the Lombardi blocking scheme... if you can even call it a "blocking" scheme. Nobody seemed to block last year. It was only pre-season, but Clapp looked improved in Moore's scheme. I agree... it's a drop off in talent... but how talented do you have to be to block Jerry Tillery...? We got this. We beat the Raiders this weekend... take a bye... then get a number of players back after the bye. I'm bummed that MW is out for the season. But I'm excited to see what QJ and DD can do. With multiple WR's out last year, Joshua Palmer took a quantum leap (72 catches). Ekeler should be back after the bye... we're still going to put up 30+ points on dudes. Putting up points is crucial, as it is a huge guess what this injured D will do. Young players thrown into the battle, some survive, some die. Getting to the bye at 2-2 is a must happen......then hoping some players get back into the fray! I think/hope it does. I watched a number of videos/interviews about Moore's offense this off-season. With formations/motion/shifts... he likes to move defenders (especially LB's and safeties) out of the box. This is what makes his run schemes (Staley likes to call it Marrying the pass game and the run game) so effective. It gives the OL a numbers advantage. That advantage didn't show up in the Titans or Vikings game because both teams blitzed (filling running lanes) and those numbers advantage disappeared. Moore/Herbert responded by passing more (700+ passing yards in 2 games). Moore calls this: making the defense choose their own poison... Some games we'll run more. Some games we'll pass more. It's nice we can do both. The end-of-the-game failures @tenn and @mia were due to disguised pass blitzes. That part of the game will need to improve. I think that part of the game (blitz recognition) did improve vs. Vikings game. Ekeler is already pretty good at this... Kelley will have to continue improving. I think Spiller is poor at this... and that's why he's not seeing more playing-time.
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Post by frozendisc on Sept 30, 2023 8:42:54 GMT -7
Yes, different scheme.....does that help those OL players that need the help? We shall see.....Putting up points is crucial, as it is a huge guess what this injured D will do. Young players thrown into the battle, some survive, some die. Getting to the bye at 2-2 is a must happen......then hoping some players get back into the fray! I think/hope it does. I watched a number of videos/interviews about Moore's offense this off-season. With formations/motion/shifts... he likes to move defenders (especially LB's and safeties) out of the box. This is what makes his run schemes (Staley likes to call it Marrying the pass game and the run game) so effective. It gives the OL a numbers advantage. That advantage didn't show up in the Titans or Vikings game because both teams blitzed (filling running lanes) and those numbers advantage disappeared. Moore/Herbert responded by passing more (700+ passing yards in 2 games). Moore calls this: making the defense choose their own poison... Some games we'll run more. Some games we'll pass more. It's nice we can do both. The end-of-the-game failures @tenn and @mia were due to disguised pass blitzes. That part of the game will need to improve. I think that part of the game (blitz recognition) did improve vs. Vikings game. Ekeler is already pretty good at this... Kelley will have to continue improving. I think Spiller is poor at this... and that's why he's not seeing more playing-time. If the OL is playing poorly, it won't matter.....expect a ton of D plays/stunts up the middle. Clapp is going to be tested.....big time tested.
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Post by sonorajim on Sept 30, 2023 9:55:24 GMT -7
I think/hope it does. I watched a number of videos/interviews about Moore's offense this off-season. With formations/motion/shifts... he likes to move defenders (especially LB's and safeties) out of the box. This is what makes his run schemes (Staley likes to call it Marrying the pass game and the run game) so effective. It gives the OL a numbers advantage. That advantage didn't show up in the Titans or Vikings game because both teams blitzed (filling running lanes) and those numbers advantage disappeared. Moore/Herbert responded by passing more (700+ passing yards in 2 games). Moore calls this: making the defense choose their own poison... Some games we'll run more. Some games we'll pass more. It's nice we can do both. The end-of-the-game failures @tenn and @mia were due to disguised pass blitzes. That part of the game will need to improve. I think that part of the game (blitz recognition) did improve vs. Vikings game. Ekeler is already pretty good at this... Kelley will have to continue improving. I think Spiller is poor at this... and that's why he's not seeing more playing-time. If the OL is playing poorly, it won't matter.....expect a ton of D plays/stunts up the middle. Clapp is going to be tested.....big time tested. Use motion to expose D. Run. Clapp and the young OGs are better when the OL is aggressive. Herbert is still the QB making reads and adjustments. Take his training wheels off. Time to be more than a tool, time to be a leader.
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Post by boltnut on Sept 30, 2023 10:12:52 GMT -7
I think/hope it does. I watched a number of videos/interviews about Moore's offense this off-season. With formations/motion/shifts... he likes to move defenders (especially LB's and safeties) out of the box. This is what makes his run schemes (Staley likes to call it Marrying the pass game and the run game) so effective. It gives the OL a numbers advantage. That advantage didn't show up in the Titans or Vikings game because both teams blitzed (filling running lanes) and those numbers advantage disappeared. Moore/Herbert responded by passing more (700+ passing yards in 2 games). Moore calls this: making the defense choose their own poison... Some games we'll run more. Some games we'll pass more. It's nice we can do both. The end-of-the-game failures @tenn and @mia were due to disguised pass blitzes. That part of the game will need to improve. I think that part of the game (blitz recognition) did improve vs. Vikings game. Ekeler is already pretty good at this... Kelley will have to continue improving. I think Spiller is poor at this... and that's why he's not seeing more playing-time. If the OL is playing poorly, it won't matter..... expect a ton of D plays/stunts up the middle. Clapp is going to be tested.....big time tested. I agree. Any decent DC will go after the weak link... and that is Clapp right now. How will Moore adjust? And this is where I think DD can help. If he is going in motion (and threatening jet sweeps)... and DC's continue to bring heat from the middle... he should be able to do damage (if your defense is concentrated at the middle). The other thing I'd like to see Moore do (that he hasn't to this point) is attack the flat with RB screens (or bubble screens to the outside or slot). The OL will play poorly if we don't force defenses to defend the edges.
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Post by boltnut on Sept 30, 2023 10:16:45 GMT -7
If the OL is playing poorly, it won't matter.....expect a ton of D plays/stunts up the middle. Clapp is going to be tested.....big time tested. Use motion to expose D. Run. Clapp and the young OGs are better when the OL is aggressive. Herbert is still the QB making reads and adjustments. Take his training wheels off. Time to be more than a tool, time to be a leader. Yep. 3 games into the new offense... that's a steep learning curve. But everyone close to Herbert says he's incredibly smart. Fingers crossed.
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Post by moekid on Sept 30, 2023 17:15:58 GMT -7
Jimmy G out. I hope they don’t start the rook
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Post by frozendisc on Oct 1, 2023 7:20:52 GMT -7
Jimmy G out. I hope they don’t start the rook Why not.....Rookies need exciting times as well as Vets!
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Post by frozendisc on Oct 1, 2023 7:31:45 GMT -7
If the OL is playing poorly, it won't matter..... expect a ton of D plays/stunts up the middle. Clapp is going to be tested.....big time tested.I agree. Any decent DC will go after the weak link... and that is Clapp right now. How will Moore adjust? And this is where I think DD can help. If he is going in motion (and threatening jet sweeps)... and DC's continue to bring heat from the middle... he should be able to do damage (if your defense is concentrated at the middle). The other thing I'd like to see Moore do (that he hasn't to this point) is attack the flat with RB screens (or bubble screens to the outside or slot). The OL will play poorly if we don't force defenses to defend the edges. Time.....it is all about time. If the Raiders can produce pressure from the middle on a consistent basis, forcing the offence into quick attack plays, it will bring the defence in close....hunting for TO's. Screens, passing to the flats, jet sweeps all play into the defence plan....if they can get pressure up the middle. If Clapp and OG's give Herbert the time, the passing game should be successful. I think KA and Palmer are targeted early, then QJ burns the defence in second half. Spread that defence out, and make it a OL vs DL challenge.......might see Herbert run a few more times than we like, but c'est la vie If the Chargers offence can get up by two scores, does the raider defence approach change?
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Post by boltnut on Oct 1, 2023 8:53:46 GMT -7
I agree. Any decent DC will go after the weak link... and that is Clapp right now. How will Moore adjust? And this is where I think DD can help. If he is going in motion (and threatening jet sweeps)... and DC's continue to bring heat from the middle... he should be able to do damage (if your defense is concentrated at the middle). The other thing I'd like to see Moore do (that he hasn't to this point) is attack the flat with RB screens (or bubble screens to the outside or slot). The OL will play poorly if we don't force defenses to defend the edges. If the Raiders can produce pressure from the middle on a consistent basis, forcing the offence into quick attack plays, it will bring the defence in close....hunting for TO's. Screens, passing to the flats, jet sweeps all play into the defence plan....if they can get pressure up the middle. If Clapp and OG's give Herbert the time, the passing game should be successful. I think KA and Palmer are targeted early, then QJ burns the defence in second half.Spread that defence out, and make it a OL vs DL challenge.......might see Herbert run a few more times than we like, but c'est la vie If the Chargers offence can get up by two scores, does the raider defence approach change? A lot of good stuff there, Frozen. The one thing Moore hasn't really done effectively is get the ball to the flats or screen plays. I 100% agree... this game will be OL v DL (on both sides of the ball. If KA and JP get going early... then I think QJ will get going in the 2nd half. I REALLY want DD to get involved, too. I think he presents new challanges for any defense. The sooner, the better. If the Chargers get up by 2 scores... I think we see the Raiders' D start to gamble (Lots of run blitz). The nice thing about Moore's offense is it has shown it can adjust game to game.
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Post by frozendisc on Oct 1, 2023 9:11:01 GMT -7
Time.....it is all about time. If the Raiders can produce pressure from the middle on a consistent basis, forcing the offence into quick attack plays, it will bring the defence in close....hunting for TO's. Screens, passing to the flats, jet sweeps all play into the defence plan....if they can get pressure up the middle. If Clapp and OG's give Herbert the time, the passing game should be successful. I think KA and Palmer are targeted early, then QJ burns the defence in second half.Spread that defence out, and make it a OL vs DL challenge.......might see Herbert run a few more times than we like, but c'est la vie If the Chargers offence can get up by two scores, does the raider defence approach change? A lot of good stuff there, Frozen. The one thing Moore hasn't really done effectively is get the ball to the flats or screen plays. I 100% agree... this game will be OL v DL (on both sides of the ball. If KA and JP get going early... then I think QJ will get going in the 2nd half. I REALLY want DD to get involved, too. I think he presents new challanges for any defense. The sooner, the better. If the Chargers get up by 2 scores... I think we see the Raiders' D start to gamble (Lots of run blitz). The nice thing about Moore's offense is it has shown it can adjust game to game. I want the defence spread out, get them outside covering everything you mentioned. I think that opens up the middle to opportunities for KA and Palmer in short to mid passes. Use the TE's as well....but get the defence spread out, forced to cover the middle with Safeties and LB's. Be nice to pop a few runs, but my guess is the only successful running will be Herbert scrambles.
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Post by boltnut on Oct 1, 2023 9:18:14 GMT -7
A lot of good stuff there, Frozen. The one thing Moore hasn't really done effectively is get the ball to the flats or screen plays. I 100% agree... this game will be OL v DL (on both sides of the ball. If KA and JP get going early... then I think QJ will get going in the 2nd half. I REALLY want DD to get involved, too. I think he presents new challanges for any defense. The sooner, the better. If the Chargers get up by 2 scores... I think we see the Raiders' D start to gamble (Lots of run blitz). The nice thing about Moore's offense is it has shown it can adjust game to game. , get them outside covering everything you mentioned. I think that opens up the middle to opportunities for KA and Palmer in short to mid passes. Use the TE's as well....but get the defence spread out, forced to cover the middle with Safeties and LB's. Be nice to pop a few runs, but my guess is the only successful running will be Herbert scrambles. Completely! Once that defense gets spread out, running becomes easier, too! If they can get TE's splitting seams, the game plan will become easier. Will they use DD on jet sweeps...? Will they get him in motion...? Will they take a deep shot with him a couple of times...? Fingers crossed.
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Post by boltnut on Oct 1, 2023 9:19:45 GMT -7
Show the Raiders why we moved on from DeAndre Carter... and drafted DD in the 4th round!
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