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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 15, 2023 14:12:09 GMT -7
Sean Payton inherited perhaps the worst football culture in the NFL this year. I mean it was bad there. He is currently right up KC's ass for the division. Coaching matters. That was never my argument. Perhaps read my posts again. You are blessed from a Deity if I read them the first time.
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Post by moekid on Dec 15, 2023 16:03:40 GMT -7
Yes and your opinion is not factual either. I do think a hard nosed coach with stature and gravitas can fix what ails us. The reality of the NFL is that most team have similar talent aside from a few outliers. You can’t tell me the Raiders fielded a more talented team last night. They didn’t have Josh Jacobs and started a 5th round rookie QB. If you didn’t know better you’d think we were facing a dynasty. The facts are on the tape and the stat lines lol. Please review the roster and tell me how great the OL is, how the running back room is, how the DBs are, etc. lol. We can revisit this argument if they hire the right coach. Reminds me of what Norv said on his way out the door about the roster la king talent. Then shitty coach Mike McCoy came in and they won a playoff game within his first 2 years and had a winning record his first year. I may overestimate coaching impact but you certainly under estimate the roster. They played very talented teams like Dallas and Miami as close as you |
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 15, 2023 19:08:19 GMT -7
The facts are on the tape and the stat lines lol. Please review the roster and tell me how great the OL is, how the running back room is, how the DBs are, etc. lol. We can revisit this argument if they hire the right coach. Reminds me of what Norv said on his way out the door about the roster la king talent. Then shitty coach Mike McCoy came in and they won a playoff game within his first 2 years and had a winning record his first year. I may overestimate coaching impact but you certainly under estimate the roster. They played very talented teams like Dallas and Miami as close as you How many players are returning? This year’s roster is now irrelevant. They weren’t good enough to stop the AOC Raiders from a blowout. Some of that is coaching (most) and some is on the talent and lack of depth. The new roster will be cheaper (as it must). |
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 18, 2023 6:13:08 GMT -7
We can revisit this argument if they hire the right coach. Reminds me of what Norv said on his way out the door about the roster la king talent. Then shitty coach Mike McCoy came in and they won a playoff game within his first 2 years and had a winning record his first year. I may overestimate coaching impact but you certainly under estimate the roster. They played very talented teams like Dallas and Miami as close as you How many players are returning? This year’s roster is now irrelevant. They weren’t good enough to stop the AOC Raiders from a blowout. Some of that is coaching (most) and some is on the talent and lack of depth. The new roster will be cheaper (as it must). If we got rid of most of the reason, your words, isn't that a great place to start ?
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 18, 2023 13:19:04 GMT -7
How many players are returning? This year’s roster is now irrelevant. They weren’t good enough to stop the AOC Raiders from a blowout. Some of that is coaching (most) and some is on the talent and lack of depth. The new roster will be cheaper (as it must). If we got rid of most of the reason, your words, isn't that a great place to start ? Sure. And what does that do to change the calculus? The roster will be very different next year. |
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 18, 2023 13:25:38 GMT -7
If we got rid of most of the reason, your words, isn't that a great place to start ? Sure. And what does that do to change the calculus? The roster will be very different next year. Calculus ?? I can't even do simple math and you want calculus ?! HA. Not going to happen.
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Post by frozendisc on Dec 18, 2023 14:47:28 GMT -7
We can revisit this argument if they hire the right coach. Reminds me of what Norv said on his way out the door about the roster la king talent. Then shitty coach Mike McCoy came in and they won a playoff game within his first 2 years and had a winning record his first year. I may overestimate coaching impact but you certainly under estimate the roster. They played very talented teams like Dallas and Miami as close as you How many players are returning? This year’s roster is now irrelevant. They weren’t good enough to stop the AOC Raiders from a blowout. Some of that is coaching (most) and some is on the talent and lack of depth. The new roster will be cheaper (as it must). The burn it down is just starting, a GM/HC and a couple other coaches.....probably a few more I would think, such as OC and DC go at season end. Then the new GM will be involved in cleaning out the roster......it is going to be interesting to see which players off this current roster are gone. Bosa? MW? KA? Ekeler? Mack?
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 18, 2023 15:13:54 GMT -7
How many players are returning? This year’s roster is now irrelevant. They weren’t good enough to stop the AOC Raiders from a blowout. Some of that is coaching (most) and some is on the talent and lack of depth. The new roster will be cheaper (as it must). The burn it down is just starting, a GM/HC and a couple other coaches.....probably a few more I would think, such as OC and DC go at season end. Then the new GM will be involved in cleaning out the roster......it is going to be interesting to see which players off this current roster are gone. Bosa? MW? KA? Ekeler? Mack? It will def be interesting to see what this team as a whole looks like next season.
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Post by totallybolted on Dec 18, 2023 17:27:00 GMT -7
KA and Mack stays. (Though mack could be a cap casualty)
Bosa, MW, Eckler, Gone. New talent needed
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 18, 2023 19:07:46 GMT -7
KA and Mack stays. (Though mack could be a cap casualty) Bosa, MW, Eckler, Gone. New talent needed That seems very possible to me. |
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 19, 2023 6:13:36 GMT -7
How many players are returning? This year’s roster is now irrelevant. They weren’t good enough to stop the AOC Raiders from a blowout. Some of that is coaching (most) and some is on the talent and lack of depth. The new roster will be cheaper (as it must). The burn it down is just starting, a GM/HC and a couple other coaches.....probably a few more I would think, such as OC and DC go at season end. Then the new GM will be involved in cleaning out the roster......it is going to be interesting to see which players off this current roster are gone. Bosa? MW? KA? Ekeler? Mack? Remember before the season started I said they do not make the playoffs and TT and Staley are gone ? You told me no way !! Never ever doubt me. I have already answered this player cap question. Geniusly too.
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Post by amped on Dec 27, 2023 8:15:11 GMT -7
Some draft talk in the other thread. Looking at the shiny toys available in the top 10 I am thinking we trade back and load up on beef.
I am down with MHJ, Bowers, or koolaid. But I think I wouldn't mind loading up on picks and filling our roster with good young talent on the lines and at the skill positions.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 27, 2023 10:28:29 GMT -7
Some draft talk in the other thread. Looking at the shiny toys available in the top 10 I am thinking we trade back and load up on beef. I am down with MHJ, Bowers, or koolaid. But I think I wouldn't mind loading up on picks and filling our roster with good young talent on the lines and at the skill positions. So beyond reported.
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Post by ohioboltfan on Dec 27, 2023 10:36:26 GMT -7
Some draft talk in the other thread. Looking at the shiny toys available in the top 10 I am thinking we trade back and load up on beef. I am down with MHJ, Bowers, or koolaid. But I think I wouldn't mind loading up on picks and filling our roster with good young talent on the lines and at the skill positions. This strategy makes sense considering our cap situation and the number of needs (starters and depth) we seem to have. If we lose out and somehow end up with MJH available I'd scream if we didn't take him regardless of the trade offered. Bowers and Kool Aid I could be persuaded to give up for the right package. However, I'm afraid we'll end up winning one or both of our last games and be in a worse draft position to neither pick an elite talent nor trade down (because no one wants to move into the ten spot area). Finding a way to win would, for once, actually charger us.
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Post by jwr10x on Dec 28, 2023 11:41:13 GMT -7
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