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Post by lazylightning on Nov 13, 2023 9:14:58 GMT -7
Yes, I am the epitome of the 'hot take'...... I stand by my belief they will not make PO's..... The 'slow burn' approach is the problem. Making decisions of the magnitude such as a complete 'burn it down' should not wait until season end, as it simply puts you too far behind the curve. Fire TT at season end, so first week of January....it takes what...two months to hire a new GM, so beginning of March? Yea, that seems unwise.....or maybe Spanos does a quick hire of the new GM....nah, you said they do a measured decision, so slow process. They have the new HC in hand, but what if Moore says no thanks.....uh oh, now a scramble for a HC is on. Being slow and measured only works if you are early.....chasing the game rarely works out well, but it does seem like the Spanos approach. c'est la vie I THINK you have to wait 3 days after the season ends for coaches that are NOT employed in the NFL. You have to wait for after Divisional Playoff games for coaches that are NFL employees. "starting in January 2023, teams cannot interview a head-coaching candidate who is employed by another NFL team until at least the third day after the conclusion of that team’s Week 18 game." On line interviews, in person interviews add a few scheduling constraints for playoff bound teams.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 13, 2023 9:16:55 GMT -7
Yes, I am the epitome of the 'hot take'...... I stand by my belief they will not make PO's..... The 'slow burn' approach is the problem. Making decisions of the magnitude such as a complete 'burn it down' should not wait until season end, as it simply puts you too far behind the curve. Fire TT at season end, so first week of January....it takes what...two months to hire a new GM, so beginning of March? Yea, that seems unwise.....or maybe Spanos does a quick hire of the new GM....nah, you said they do a measured decision, so slow process. They have the new HC in hand, but what if Moore says no thanks.....uh oh, now a scramble for a HC is on. Being slow and measured only works if you are early.....chasing the game rarely works out well, but it does seem like the Spanos approach. c'est la vie I THINK you have to wait 3 days after the season ends for coaches that are NOT employed in the NFL. You have to wait for after Divisional Playoff games for coaches that are NFL employees. I suppose those rules matter, but only if Moore declines the HC offer...... Fire Staley with two games left, make Moore interim.....knowing he is next HC. Go through all the machinations required by NFL before naming Moore as HC.
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Post by lazylightning on Nov 13, 2023 9:26:14 GMT -7
Read all the comments, never saw any that recognized the Lions for being as good as they are. The Chargers played a very good Lions club, probably top 2-3 in NFC, and it was an exciting back and forth game. Pretty solid effort from a club not as well coached, nor as talented at this point. No credit or playing well, as a loss is just that, a loss. I do not see them making the PO's...... If there was a time to burn it down, time to act is coming fast. Tough decisions should be getting made.....now. New GM in place before season ends.... New HC in place the day after season ends..... Start conversations with vet players...ie ask KA if he wants out, or live through the rebuild. (it is just an example) Start trading talent for picks.....burn it down means to the ground. Not a chance in this world Spanos does any of the above...... The Lions are a good team. The Chargers have played many 'good teams' this year and lost close games. It does not change their record. I will keep hoping for post season but it is a slim chance at best. The team plays like a Jekyll & Hyde novella. You never what you will get on game day but a dramatic finish is mostly guaranteed. I stand by my prediction that TT & BS both leave or stay at the end of the season.
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Post by lazylightning on Nov 13, 2023 9:29:44 GMT -7
I THINK you have to wait 3 days after the season ends for coaches that are NOT employed in the NFL. You have to wait for after Divisional Playoff games for coaches that are NFL employees. I suppose those rules matter, but only if Moore declines the HC offer......
Fire Staley with two games left, make Moore interim.....knowing he is next HC. Go through all the machinations required by NFL before naming Moore as HC. What makes you think that Moore is ready for a HC position? ...or that an offer would be extended? Of all the coordinators available across the league, I would look at Brian Flores.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 13, 2023 9:39:03 GMT -7
I suppose those rules matter, but only if Moore declines the HC offer......
Fire Staley with two games left, make Moore interim.....knowing he is next HC. Go through all the machinations required by NFL before naming Moore as HC. What makes you think that Moore is ready for a HC position? ...or that an offer would be extended? Of all the coordinators available across the league, I would look at Brian Flores. I do not know the answer to that, he 'might' be ready. He has been approached a few times the last two cycles, but never offered a position. I do believe he has HC in his future. Obviously the Chargers have an up close look, so they know...... If Staley is fired, my guess is Moore stays as OC at minimum, but who knows.
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Post by lightsout42 on Nov 13, 2023 14:33:30 GMT -7
If Staley is fired they’re likely going to go O HC to keep Herbert in a consistent schematic environment. They should have done that last time.
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Post by ohioboltfan on Nov 13, 2023 14:55:47 GMT -7
I suppose those rules matter, but only if Moore declines the HC offer......
Fire Staley with two games left, make Moore interim.....knowing he is next HC. Go through all the machinations required by NFL before naming Moore as HC. What makes you think that Moore is ready for a HC position? ...or that an offer would be extended? Of all the coordinators available across the league, I would look at Brian Flores. I was going to suggest Brian Flores! He's from the defensive side though, and I think we may prefer to see an offensive minded guy in charge next. I'm not opposed to Kellen Moore, but I'm not sold on him either. What I'd like to see in our next head coach is a tough, gritty former player. Just make it someone who players will run through a wall for, and command respect- not some beta wimp nerd.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 14, 2023 6:11:52 GMT -7
What makes you think that Moore is ready for a HC position? ...or that an offer would be extended? Of all the coordinators available across the league, I would look at Brian Flores.I was going to suggest Brian Flores! He's from the defensive side though, and I think we may prefer to see an offensive minded guy in charge next. I'm not opposed to Kellen Moore, but I'm not sold on him either. What I'd like to see in our next head coach is a tough, gritty former player. Just make it someone who players will run through a wall for, and command respect- not some beta wimp nerd. You are nominated for Coach Smack of the Day.
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Post by lazylightning on Nov 14, 2023 10:20:30 GMT -7
What makes you think that Moore is ready for a HC position? ...or that an offer would be extended? Of all the coordinators available across the league, I would look at Brian Flores.I was going to suggest Brian Flores! He's from the defensive side though, and I think we may prefer to see an offensive minded guy in charge next. I'm not opposed to Kellen Moore, but I'm not sold on him either. What I'd like to see in our next head coach is a tough, gritty former player. Just make it someone who players will run through a wall for, and command respect- not some beta wimp nerd. I am not sold that the offense coaching is what needs fixing right now. Bring back Linsey and that ship will sail straight. The defense has been a hot mess with no relief in sight.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 14, 2023 12:54:19 GMT -7
(we put up 38 points and people talkin about the offense. People be trippin too)
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 15, 2023 8:00:45 GMT -7
I was going to suggest Brian Flores! He's from the defensive side though, and I think we may prefer to see an offensive minded guy in charge next. I'm not opposed to Kellen Moore, but I'm not sold on him either. What I'd like to see in our next head coach is a tough, gritty former player. Just make it someone who players will run through a wall for, and command respect- not some beta wimp nerd. I am not sold that the offense coaching is what needs fixing right now. Bring back Linsey and that ship will sail straight. The defense has been a hot mess with no relief in sight. There will be no bringing back Linsley......my guess is his football days are over. The defence has been the problem, and ever since the defence genius was hired, which means for years.
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Post by boltnut on Nov 16, 2023 7:44:51 GMT -7
This team went "All-In" 2 years ago. I was excited and confused all at the same time. Having said that, I thought they went overboard on the FA signings (JCJ being the eyebrow raiser). TT broke his "Build through the draft" motto. I think the Chargers FO said, "You have one last chance, see what you can do." Unless this coach can get guys to start playing up to potential, they will miss the playoffs and GM and coach will be fired. I have no idea who gets hired as GM. But looking at organizations that have built recent quality rosters should be looked at (Chiefs/Eagles). The new GM gets to choose the new HC.
As far HC's go, I like Frank Smith (offense). If they are looking at a defensive mind, I think Brian Flores is a good call (as many have brought up).
I'm still hoping we make the playoffs, however... and have a deep run.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 16, 2023 8:43:02 GMT -7
This team went "All-In" 2 years ago. I was excited and confused all at the same time. Having said that, I thought they went overboard on the FA signings (JCJ being the eyebrow raiser). TT broke his "Build through the draft" motto. I think the Chargers FO said, "You have one last chance, see what you can do." Unless this coach can get guys to start playing up to potential, they will miss the playoffs and GM and coach will be fired. I have no idea who gets hired as GM. But looking at organizations that have built recent quality rosters should be looked at (Chiefs/Eagles). The new GM gets to choose the new HC. As far HC's go, I like Frank Smith (offense). If they are looking at a defensive mind, I think Brian Flores is a good call (as many have brought up). I'm still hoping we make the playoffs, however... and have a deep run. I do not agree with the perception of "You have one last chance, see what you can do."......organizations simply do not work that way. The much more likely path that was taken is there was an evaluation by the operating brain trust, whomever that is for the Chargers, and the collective belief was they (the organization) were really close. They were close in two ways, one being the talent was strong enough to make a Super Bowl, and the other being the window was closing due to Cap issues coming. So the decision was made to go out of character and take the more aggressive path....you guys call it 'all in'. It has not worked out well or them, and change is coming in many aspects. New GM, new HC and staff....same results three years later. Is it J Spanos making the poor decisions?
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Post by totallybolted on Nov 16, 2023 14:39:06 GMT -7
This team went "All-In" 2 years ago. I was excited and confused all at the same time. Having said that, I thought they went overboard on the FA signings (JCJ being the eyebrow raiser). TT broke his "Build through the draft" motto. I think the Chargers FO said, "You have one last chance, see what you can do." Unless this coach can get guys to start playing up to potential, they will miss the playoffs and GM and coach will be fired. I have no idea who gets hired as GM. But looking at organizations that have built recent quality rosters should be looked at (Chiefs/Eagles). The new GM gets to choose the new HC. As far HC's go, I like Frank Smith (offense). If they are looking at a defensive mind, I think Brian Flores is a good call (as many have brought up). I'm still hoping we make the playoffs, however... and have a deep run. I do not agree with the perception of "You have one last chance, see what you can do."......organizations simply do not work that way. The much more likely path that was taken is there was an evaluation by the operating brain trust, whomever that is for the Chargers, and the collective belief was they (the organization) were really close. They were close in two ways, one being the talent was strong enough to make a Super Bowl, and the other being the window was closing due to Cap issues coming. So the decision was made to go out of character and take the more aggressive path....you guys call it 'all in'. It has not worked out well or them, and change is coming in many aspects. New GM, new HC and staff....same results three years later. Is it J Spanos making the poor decisions? Not only YES. But Hell Yes. Even if it wasn't his stink causes it.
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