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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 6, 2023 11:10:36 GMT -7
I'm confused. The owners have hired 3 coordinators in a row that you just lovey dovey hiring to death. It has all failed. Why you mad at your owners ? (I've got all day for this stuff folks.) I understand that nuance is hard but let’s not strawman too much. I would get upset if I knew what nuance and strawman meant. So there. Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Post by ohioboltfan on Dec 6, 2023 14:49:58 GMT -7
I want Harbaugh or Quinn... That's it. I read somewhere that Quinn has turned down opportunities elsewhere just to stay in Dallas, and he will likely succeed McCarthy as their next head coach (whether McCarthy is gone after this year or in a year or two). But scratch him off the list as unavailable. I appreciate some of the informative posts and opinions others on the CMB have shared about rookie head coaches versus veteran head coaches. The Chargers have certainly done poorly with rookie head coaches lately, so the gamble on another is not a safe bet. But for a veteran head coach to be available usually means he was fired for poor performance, so there's that. But that's not Harbaugh's situation and while he's far from perfect and not very likable ( and now stained by the filth of UM), I'm starting to lean towards wanting him. He made it to the Super Bowl ( with Kaepernick as the QB!) and he's been successful at both levels and seems like a dick, which are opposite traits from what we've had the past three or four coaches. I think doing the same thing you've been doing and expecting different results is not smart. Let's try something new- like paying big bucks to a proven coach. I don't care what a coach costs since it has no bearing on the salary cap or affects the team's ability to afford players. I would have really liked to see Sean Payton hired last year (despite his struggles in Denver this year). Let's learn from our previous mistakes and not let another golden opportunity to hire the right guy pass us by.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 6, 2023 17:53:09 GMT -7
I want Harbaugh or Quinn... That's it. I read somewhere that Quinn has turned down opportunities elsewhere just to stay in Dallas, and he will likely succeed McCarthy as their next head coach (whether McCarthy is gone after this year or in a year or two). But scratch him off the list as unavailable. I appreciate some of the informative posts and opinions others on the CMB have shared about rookie head coaches versus veteran head coaches. The Chargers have certainly done poorly with rookie head coaches lately, so the gamble on another is not a safe bet. But for a veteran head coach to be available usually means he was fired for poor performance, so there's that. But that's not Harbaugh's situation and while he's far from perfect and not very likable ( and now stained by the filth of UM), I'm starting to lean towards wanting him. He made it to the Super Bowl ( with Kaepernick as the QB!) and he's been successful at both levels and seems like a dick, which are opposite traits from what we've had the past three or four coaches. I think doing the same thing you've been doing and expecting different results is not smart. Let's try something new- like paying big bucks to a proven coach. I don't care what a coach costs since it has no bearing on the salary cap or affects the team's ability to afford players. I would have really liked to see Sean Payton hired last year (despite his struggles in Denver this year). Let's learn from our previous mistakes and not let another golden opportunity to hire the right guy pass us by. Well said.
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Post by amped on Dec 6, 2023 18:49:24 GMT -7
I read somewhere that Quinn has turned down opportunities elsewhere just to stay in Dallas, and he will likely succeed McCarthy as their next head coach (whether McCarthy is gone after this year or in a year or two). But scratch him off the list as unavailable. I appreciate some of the informative posts and opinions others on the CMB have shared about rookie head coaches versus veteran head coaches. The Chargers have certainly done poorly with rookie head coaches lately, so the gamble on another is not a safe bet. But for a veteran head coach to be available usually means he was fired for poor performance, so there's that. But that's not Harbaugh's situation and while he's far from perfect and not very likable ( and now stained by the filth of UM), I'm starting to lean towards wanting him. He made it to the Super Bowl ( with Kaepernick as the QB!) and he's been successful at both levels and seems like a dick, which are opposite traits from what we've had the past three or four coaches. I think doing the same thing you've been doing and expecting different results is not smart. Let's try something new- like paying big bucks to a proven coach. I don't care what a coach costs since it has no bearing on the salary cap or affects the team's ability to afford players. I would have really liked to see Sean Payton hired last year (despite his struggles in Denver this year). Let's learn from our previous mistakes and not let another golden opportunity to hire the right guy pass us by.Well said. If only it was us in charge of the money. Its a great idea but the chargers current ownership does not spend freely outside of the cap.
They spend on buildings and real estate, because it is an appreciating asset.
Coaches are not. They get their NFL profit sharing money and try to maximize their profit of it.
I do not think they will fire Staley at the end of this year, he still has one year of his contract left that Spanos has to pay for. Paying two head coaches during the same year eats into that profit money.
I hope they prove me wrong.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 7, 2023 6:02:13 GMT -7
I want Harbaugh or Quinn... That's it. I read somewhere that Quinn has turned down opportunities elsewhere just to stay in Dallas, and he will likely succeed McCarthy as their next head coach (whether McCarthy is gone after this year or in a year or two). But scratch him off the list as unavailable. I appreciate some of the informative posts and opinions others on the CMB have shared about rookie head coaches versus veteran head coaches.
The Chargers have certainly done poorly with rookie head coaches lately, so the gamble on another is not a safe bet. But for a veteran head coach to be available usually means he was fired for poor performance, so there's that. But that's not Harbaugh's situation and while he's far from perfect and not very likable ( and now stained by the filth of UM), I'm starting to lean towards wanting him. He made it to the Super Bowl ( with Kaepernick as the QB!) and he's been successful at both levels and seems like a dick, which are opposite traits from what we've had the past three or four coaches. I think doing the same thing you've been doing and expecting different results is not smart. Let's try something new- like paying big bucks to a proven coach. I don't care what a coach costs since it has no bearing on the salary cap or affects the team's ability to afford players. I would have really liked to see Sean Payton hired last year (despite his struggles in Denver this year). Let's learn from our previous mistakes and not let another golden opportunity to hire the right guy pass us by. You only need to appreciate my every post; and every word therein.
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Post by moekid on Dec 7, 2023 10:20:46 GMT -7
Michigan reportedly trying to extend Harbaugh for 5 years at $11m per. Stick g point is Harbaugh agreeing not to seek an NFL job this cycle. Spanos should get on the phone now and offer 5 years and $13m. Not 5 minutes from now. Now
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Post by amped on Dec 7, 2023 11:18:02 GMT -7
Michigan reportedly trying to extend Harbaugh for 5 years at $11m per. Stick g point is Harbaugh agreeing not to seek an NFL job this cycle. Spanos should get on the phone now and offer 5 years and $13m. Not 5 minutes from now. Now Its a good deal but he would be dumb to sign it. I doubt he will.
He will let a bidding war ensue and then tell michigan to match the best one.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 8, 2023 6:09:29 GMT -7
Michigan reportedly trying to extend Harbaugh for 5 years at $11m per. Stick g point is Harbaugh agreeing not to seek an NFL job this cycle. Spanos should get on the phone now and offer 5 years and $13m. Not 5 minutes from now. Now I agree. Did Michigan make that condition because he is already gotten calls ? Yes. Yes they did.
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Post by moekid on Dec 8, 2023 8:35:10 GMT -7
Michigan reportedly trying to extend Harbaugh for 5 years at $11m per. Stick g point is Harbaugh agreeing not to seek an NFL job this cycle. Spanos should get on the phone now and offer 5 years and $13m. Not 5 minutes from now. Now I agree. Did Michigan make that condition because he is already gotten calls ? Yes. Yes they did. He has unfinished NFL business. He lost a bizarre Super Bowl to his brother when the power went out and SF lost momentum. Time to claim what is his. |
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Post by sonorajim on Dec 8, 2023 11:50:15 GMT -7
Either give Moore another year or find an OC who can coach. ..Or find an OL coach who can develop players for pass and run blocking.
..Or fans need to pay top dollar for a new owner, SD Stadium and top vet coach.
I think we're stuck with Staley and getting the most from J Herbo is going to have to happen with staff and players.
Quit freaking about D stats. KC made their big SB run with top scoring offense and mid-level D. Staley isn't holding Herbert back. The O is not clicking. Our O personnel are better than the product. Weak run O. no 3rd qtr offense. Ending minutes blitz pick-up. Etc, etc.
Fix THAT s**t!
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Post by amped on Dec 9, 2023 17:19:33 GMT -7
please Bill come coach the chargers.
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Post by chopper31 on Dec 9, 2023 17:34:41 GMT -7
I agree. Did Michigan make that condition because he is already gotten calls ? Yes. Yes they did. He has unfinished NFL business. He lost a bizarre Super Bowl to his brother when the power went out and SF lost momentum. Time to claim what is his. Your memory is a little foggy Moekid (imagine that !) The 49ers were the ones who benefitted from that power outage and it was the Ravens who lost momentum. Ravens were up 28-6 when the power went out, and they only scored 2 FG’s the rest of the game.
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 10, 2023 10:20:38 GMT -7
Forget HC. Who is going to be the GM next season to lead the team through some hard times? Re the expected 2024 cap: “For the handful of teams that are projected to be way over the salary cap (the Saints, Chargers, Bills, and Dolphins being the main ones) this does make things harder because they were already in a pinch and will need to go deeper on the restructures and cuts, reduce futures signings and hold off on draft pick signings just to be cap compliant.” overthecap.com/2024-salary-cap-update |
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Post by moekid on Dec 10, 2023 12:21:34 GMT -7
He has unfinished NFL business. He lost a bizarre Super Bowl to his brother when the power went out and SF lost momentum. Time to claim what is his. Your memory is a little foggy Moekid (imagine that !) The 49ers were the ones who benefitted from that power outage and it was the Ravens who lost momentum. Ravens were up 28-6 when the power went out, and they only scored 2 FG’s the rest of the game. I took a shot. Missed but point remains. Unfinished business |
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Post by ltocbolts on Dec 10, 2023 16:56:24 GMT -7
Go back and read what I said before they hired Staley. I got it then. I still get it. However, this is more about accepting reality than my preferences. But here’s the thing: They need to build around Justin Herbert. He’s *the* key. So that argues for an O HC—continuity around the HC, QB, and scheme. Here’s the other thing: The success rate for “proven” head coaches is about the same as for new coaches. There’s only a few truly excellent coaches in the league at any given time; the ones that consistently win have a great staff and a QB (BB, Tomlin when he had Ben, now Reid). Good “proven” HCs don’t often become available.(We should have hired Doug Pederson when he came available. Big mistake.) The owners are almost certainly not going to give a HC the control that a BB or Harbaugh could demand, nor the salary. And Harbaugh is no genius (mostly a CEO HC). Of the “proven” HCs the only ones you can probably get are Quinn, Reich (uh, no), and someone who’s going to get fired this year (Rivera, etc.). Of those, Quinn is probably the best. So, prepare for another coordinator hire. FWIW, the Spanos family are incompetent owners and I don’t trust their terrible process. I hope we get better. The odds are that we actually get a worse GM and HC. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fire TT and BS and try another regime. It also doesn’t mean, based on the history, that we shouldn’t try to get lucky. McCoy, Anthony Lynn, and Staley are proof enough that coordinators are not working for us. EVERY year head coaches ARE available. Frank Reich is now available. More to follow. 12 year old paper boys are over. I am honored. Freak has adopted my definition of Staley. A 12 year old paper boy. |
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