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Post by jwr10x on Dec 5, 2023 22:50:23 GMT -7
I seriously hope not... He seems to be just another coordinator with a talented roster and strong HC to fall back on. We can't keep doing this and expect different results... ugh. He would fit the pattern of the Spanos era. someone that will accept a cheap contract in order to get their 1st HC position
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Post by moekid on Dec 6, 2023 0:02:55 GMT -7
Might as well keep Staley if you’re gonna hire another coordinator.
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 6, 2023 0:26:01 GMT -7
One hire was bad… so stop trying to hire for what you need? That’s absurd.
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 6, 2023 5:55:16 GMT -7
One hire was bad… so stop trying to hire for what you need? That’s absurd. ONE hire? C'mon now...
Ok fine... If both TT and Staley are gone then great, if that new GM thinks Johnson is the man then so be it, show me.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 6, 2023 6:10:22 GMT -7
One hire was bad… so stop trying to hire for what you need? That’s absurd. I think you have missed on "what we need". A lot of fans want a proven head coach.
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 6, 2023 8:03:58 GMT -7
One hire was bad… so stop trying to hire for what you need? That’s absurd. I think you have missed on "what we need". A lot of fans want a proven head coach. Go back and read what I said before they hired Staley. I got it then. I still get it. However, this is more about accepting reality than my preferences. But here’s the thing: They need to build around Justin Herbert. He’s *the* key. So that argues for an O HC—continuity around the HC, QB, and scheme. Here’s the other thing: The success rate for “proven” head coaches is about the same as for new coaches. There’s only a few truly excellent coaches in the league at any given time; the ones that consistently win have a great staff and a QB (BB, Tomlin when he had Ben, now Reid). Good “proven” HCs don’t often become available.(We should have hired Doug Pederson when he came available. Big mistake.) The owners are almost certainly not going to give a HC the control that a BB or Harbaugh could demand, nor the salary. And Harbaugh is no genius (mostly a CEO HC). Of the “proven” HCs the only ones you can probably get are Quinn, Reich (uh, no), and someone who’s going to get fired this year (Rivera, etc.). Of those, Quinn is probably the best. So, prepare for another coordinator hire. FWIW, the Spanos family are incompetent owners and I don’t trust their terrible process. I hope we get better. The odds are that we actually get a worse GM and HC. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fire TT and BS and try another regime. It also doesn’t mean, based on the history, that we shouldn’t try to get lucky. |
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 6, 2023 8:33:01 GMT -7
I think you have missed on "what we need". A lot of fans want a proven head coach. Go back and read what I said before they hired Staley. I got it then. I still get it. However, this is more about accepting reality than my preferences. But here’s the thing: They need to build around Justin Herbert. He’s *the* key. So that argues for an O HC—continuity around the HC, QB, and scheme. Here’s the other thing: The success rate for “proven” head coaches is about the same as for new coaches. There’s only a few truly excellent coaches in the league at any given time; the ones that consistently win have a great staff and a QB (BB, Tomlin when he had Ben, now Reid). Good “proven” HCs don’t often become available.(We should have hired Doug Pederson when he came available. Big mistake.) The owners are almost certainly not going to give a HC the control that a BB or Harbaugh could demand, nor the salary. And Harbaugh is no genius (mostly a CEO HC). Of the “proven” HCs the only ones you can probably get are Quinn, Reich (uh, no), and someone who’s going to get fired this year (Rivera, etc.). Of those, Quinn is probably the best. So, prepare for another coordinator hire. FWIW, the Spanos family are incompetent owners and I don’t trust their terrible process. I hope we get better. The odds are that we actually get a worse GM and HC. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fire TT and BS and try another regime. It also doesn’t mean, based on the history, that we shouldn’t try to get lucky. McCoy, Anthony Lynn, and Staley are proof enough that coordinators are not working for us. EVERY year head coaches ARE available. Frank Reich is now available. More to follow. 12 year old paper boys are over.
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 6, 2023 8:37:05 GMT -7
Go back and read what I said before they hired Staley. I got it then. I still get it. However, this is more about accepting reality than my preferences. But here’s the thing: They need to build around Justin Herbert. He’s *the* key. So that argues for an O HC—continuity around the HC, QB, and scheme. Here’s the other thing: The success rate for “proven” head coaches is about the same as for new coaches. There’s only a few truly excellent coaches in the league at any given time; the ones that consistently win have a great staff and a QB (BB, Tomlin when he had Ben, now Reid). Good “proven” HCs don’t often become available.(We should have hired Doug Pederson when he came available. Big mistake.) The owners are almost certainly not going to give a HC the control that a BB or Harbaugh could demand, nor the salary. And Harbaugh is no genius (mostly a CEO HC). Of the “proven” HCs the only ones you can probably get are Quinn, Reich (uh, no), and someone who’s going to get fired this year (Rivera, etc.). Of those, Quinn is probably the best. So, prepare for another coordinator hire. FWIW, the Spanos family are incompetent owners and I don’t trust their terrible process. I hope we get better. The odds are that we actually get a worse GM and HC. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fire TT and BS and try another regime. It also doesn’t mean, based on the history, that we shouldn’t try to get lucky. McCoy, Anthony Lynn, and Staley are proof enough that coordinators are not working for us. EVERY year head coaches ARE available. Frank Reich is now available. More to follow. 12 year old paper boys are over. Reich is terrible. Next? |
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 6, 2023 9:07:52 GMT -7
McCoy, Anthony Lynn, and Staley are proof enough that coordinators are not working for us. EVERY year head coaches ARE available. Frank Reich is now available. More to follow. 12 year old paper boys are over. Reich is terrible. Next? Terrible, average, good---all will be available. Every year. Next. (heavy rumors that BB is already gone. Next next.)
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 6, 2023 9:25:11 GMT -7
I think you have missed on "what we need". A lot of fans want a proven head coach. Go back and read what I said before they hired Staley. I got it then. I still get it. However, this is more about accepting reality than my preferences. But here’s the thing: They need to build around Justin Herbert. He’s *the* key. So that argues for an O HC—continuity around the HC, QB, and scheme. Here’s the other thing: The success rate for “proven” head coaches is about the same as for new coaches. There’s only a few truly excellent coaches in the league at any given time; the ones that consistently win have a great staff and a QB (BB, Tomlin when he had Ben, now Reid). Good “proven” HCs don’t often become available.(We should have hired Doug Pederson when he came available. Big mistake.) The owners are almost certainly not going to give a HC the control that a BB or Harbaugh could demand, nor the salary. And Harbaugh is no genius (mostly a CEO HC). Of the “proven” HCs the only ones you can probably get are Quinn, Reich (uh, no), and someone who’s going to get fired this year (Rivera, etc.). Of those, Quinn is probably the best. So, prepare for another coordinator hire. FWIW, the Spanos family are incompetent owners and I don’t trust their terrible process. I hope we get better. The odds are that we actually get a worse GM and HC. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fire TT and BS and try another regime. It also doesn’t mean, based on the history, that we shouldn’t try to get lucky. I agree with this take... To truly be successful the coach needs a great staff and to work well with his GM, like a well oiled machine. We have been missing that for decades now... That's why I say burn it down, fire them all. If the new GM wants to hire another coordinator then so be it, I don't trust Telesco as far as I can throw him. Its Spanos decision you say? He's brought on consultants before, do it again. We CAN'T keep having more of the same every season.
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 6, 2023 10:05:44 GMT -7
I fully agree they need to clean house—fire John Spanos on down, bring in an experienced President/head of football operations that isn’t named Spanos, and let them build a competent GM (operations) and HC (football) leadership team.
But that’s not going to happen. The best we’ll get is a new GM and HC, both hired by terrible owner/managers who have a fundamentally flawed process. The odds are that the team will get worse (or stay about the same—somewhere near the mean). But they still have to try.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 6, 2023 10:07:09 GMT -7
Go back and read what I said before they hired Staley. I got it then. I still get it. However, this is more about accepting reality than my preferences. But here’s the thing: They need to build around Justin Herbert. He’s *the* key. So that argues for an O HC—continuity around the HC, QB, and scheme. Here’s the other thing: The success rate for “proven” head coaches is about the same as for new coaches. There’s only a few truly excellent coaches in the league at any given time; the ones that consistently win have a great staff and a QB (BB, Tomlin when he had Ben, now Reid). Good “proven” HCs don’t often become available.(We should have hired Doug Pederson when he came available. Big mistake.) The owners are almost certainly not going to give a HC the control that a BB or Harbaugh could demand, nor the salary. And Harbaugh is no genius (mostly a CEO HC). Of the “proven” HCs the only ones you can probably get are Quinn, Reich (uh, no), and someone who’s going to get fired this year (Rivera, etc.). Of those, Quinn is probably the best. So, prepare for another coordinator hire. FWIW, the Spanos family are incompetent owners and I don’t trust their terrible process. I hope we get better. The odds are that we actually get a worse GM and HC. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fire TT and BS and try another regime. It also doesn’t mean, based on the history, that we shouldn’t try to get lucky. I agree with this take... To truly be successful the coach needs a great staff and to work well with his GM, like a well oiled machine. We have been missing that for decades now... That's why I say burn it down, fire them all. If the new GM wants to hire another coordinator then so be it, I don't trust Telesco as far as I can throw him. Its Spanos decision you say? He's brought on consultants before, do it again. We CAN'T keep having more of the same every season. I have destroyed him becasue he wants the off. coord. for Appalacian State and you agree with it. We have a lot of educational needs on here.
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Post by chargerfreak on Dec 6, 2023 10:13:14 GMT -7
I fully agree they need to clean house—fire John Spanos on down, bring in an experienced President/head of football operations that isn’t named Spanos, and let them build a competent GM (operations) and HC (football) leadership team. But that’s not going to happen. The best we’ll get is a new GM and HC, both hired by terrible owner/managers who have a fundamentally flawed process. The odds are that the team will get worse (or stay about the same—somewhere near the mean). But they still have to try. I'm confused. The owners have hired 3 coordinators in a row that you just lovey dovey hiring to death. It has all failed. Why you mad at your owners ? (I've got all day for this stuff folks.)
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Post by lightsout42 on Dec 6, 2023 10:14:47 GMT -7
I fully agree they need to clean house—fire John Spanos on down, bring in an experienced President/head of football operations that isn’t named Spanos, and let them build a competent GM (operations) and HC (football) leadership team. But that’s not going to happen. The best we’ll get is a new GM and HC, both hired by terrible owner/managers who have a fundamentally flawed process. The odds are that the team will get worse (or stay about the same—somewhere near the mean). But they still have to try. I'm confused. The owners have hired 3 coordinators in a row that you just lovey dovey hiring to death. It has all failed. Why you mad at your owners ? (I've got all day for this stuff folks.) I understand that nuance is hard but let’s not strawman too much. |
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Post by afboltfan on Dec 6, 2023 10:26:15 GMT -7
I want Harbaugh or Quinn... That's it.
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