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Post by afboltfan on Oct 10, 2024 19:51:17 GMT -7
I don't think it's any secret that our offense is subpar. Let's discuss the elephant in the room. Do you think the offense will improve as the season goes on ? What do you think the problem(s) are ? What are our needs ? Discuss We need Ws. Our D allows 12.5 PPG avg. I thought 17 ppg on D would be excellent. We're currently NFL #1. (KMA, Staley)
No turnovers, damn few penalty flags. 50/50 R/P done effectively to control the ball, make drives and put points on the board. Mid 20's will be fine (@ 25 ppg avg). We have some ground to make up but I wouldn't change much. Just settle down, execute the team assignment and don't screw it up. Team blocking needs to be clean and effective. It ain't 1 on 1 dammit. Do what we need.
That's the problem as well. I don't want to say our defense is too good, but... Our oline doesn't seem to be able to handle winning the time of possession battle. They get gassed, tired and make dumb mistakes penalties and injuries happen.
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Post by chargerfreak on Oct 11, 2024 5:17:01 GMT -7
You guys are painting a picture of gloom on offense, and I don't blame you for one minute.
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Post by frozendisc on Oct 11, 2024 6:18:48 GMT -7
What do they need Freak asks.......
Harbaugh was hired to win mostly, but more precisely, to mold the Chargers into his style of club....a run first club. We all know Roman was hired to further that transition to successful running..... So the cap forced decisions....and based off of the desire to be a run first club, easy to say bye to MW and an unwilling KA...do not really need WR's anyway, eh. Then signed some RB's that epitomize the entire 'hope' concept....and a centre in the same vision of 'hope'. They go out and draft Alt, giving them solid OT's, already have solid OG's...depth is not great.
Here comes the season and things looked reasonably good....then some injuries happen, and the curtain is raised. The WR's and TE's are nothing for defences to worry about. The running game is stuffed because the Chargers are one dimensional, as well as OL is injured and depth is not good enough. Roman is a one trick dog as an OC, so the most talented player is not going to be used effectively....and then he gets injured as well.
What do they need?
Draft a top RB, OC, TE.....pray for health!
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Post by afboltfan on Oct 11, 2024 6:56:35 GMT -7
What do they need Freak asks....... Harbaugh was hired to win mostly, but more precisely, to mold the Chargers into his style of club....a run first club. We all know Roman was hired to further that transition to successful running..... So the cap forced decisions....and based off of the desire to be a run first club, easy to say bye to MW and an unwilling KA...do not really need WR's anyway, eh. Then signed some RB's that epitomize the entire 'hope' concept....and a centre in the same vision of 'hope'. They go out and draft Alt, giving them solid OT's, already have solid OG's...depth is not great. Here comes the season and things looked reasonably good....then some injuries happen, and the curtain is raised. The WR's and TE's are nothing for defences to worry about. The running game is stuffed because the Chargers are one dimensional, as well as OL is injured and depth is not good enough. Roman is a one trick dog as an OC, so the most talented player is not going to be used effectively....and then he gets injured as well. What do they need? Draft a top RB, OC, TE.....pray for health! That is where you are wrong... Just because you want to be a "run first club" doesn't mean you don't put resources into the passing game and WR corp. There is no running game without a passing game and vice versa. Our run game goes nowhere without a threat at WR and/or TE. Our first 2 wins are a testament to the respect teams give to Herbert due to the potential for big pass plays... Take away a healthy Herbert and a banged up oline and that threat is gone... Stack the box, stop the run. Therefore we are 2-2 on a 2 game losing streak. Dobbins is 25 years old, we don't need to draft a top RB. Bozeman is not the issue on the oline. TE yes... WR yes... But I'd rather have a vet. We don't need another rookie WR unless it is a 1st rounder can't miss phenom. I'd love to have a healthy Cooper Kupp!
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Post by frozendisc on Oct 11, 2024 7:49:39 GMT -7
What do they need Freak asks....... Harbaugh was hired to win mostly, but more precisely, to mold the Chargers into his style of club....a run first club. We all know Roman was hired to further that transition to successful running..... So the cap forced decisions....and based off of the desire to be a run first club, easy to say bye to MW and an unwilling KA...do not really need WR's anyway, eh. Then signed some RB's that epitomize the entire 'hope' concept....and a centre in the same vision of 'hope'. They go out and draft Alt, giving them solid OT's, already have solid OG's...depth is not great. Here comes the season and things looked reasonably good....then some injuries happen, and the curtain is raised. The WR's and TE's are nothing for defences to worry about. The running game is stuffed because the Chargers are one dimensional, as well as OL is injured and depth is not good enough. Roman is a one trick dog as an OC, so the most talented player is not going to be used effectively....and then he gets injured as well. What do they need? Draft a top RB, OC, TE.....pray for health! That is where you are wrong... Just because you want to be a "run first club" doesn't mean you don't put resources into the passing game and WR corp. There is no running game without a passing game and vice versa. Our run game goes nowhere without a threat at WR and/or TE. Our first 2 wins are a testament to the respect teams give to Herbert due to the potential for big pass plays... Take away a healthy Herbert and a banged up oline and that threat is gone... Stack the box, stop the run. Therefore we are 2-2 on a 2 game losing streak. Dobbins is 25 years old, we don't need to draft a top RB. Bozeman is not the issue on the oline. TE yes... WR yes... But I'd rather have a vet. We don't need another rookie WR unless it is a 1st rounder can't miss phenom. I'd love to have a healthy Cooper Kupp! First off, I am not wrong, the Club is perhaps..... Second, they did put resources into WR....McConkey? Third, my comment about not needing WR's is sarcasm.... Fourth, the cap forced decisions....Horitz made his. They had to get compliant, I understand the way they went. I would have dumped Bosa..... My point of the entire post was they are making the transition, but it takes years to complete. A GM one told me that a complete rebuild (talking hockey) is like turning around a steamship in full forward motion.....takes time, and difficult to see any change. The Chargers are in full change mode, and Horitz will have plenty of cap room next off season. Should be interesting.....
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Post by lazylightning on Oct 11, 2024 7:58:35 GMT -7
What do they need Freak asks....... Harbaugh was hired to win mostly, but more precisely, to mold the Chargers into his style of club....a run first club. We all know Roman was hired to further that transition to successful running..... So the cap forced decisions....and based off of the desire to be a run first club, easy to say bye to MW and an unwilling KA...do not really need WR's anyway, eh. Then signed some RB's that epitomize the entire 'hope' concept....and a centre in the same vision of 'hope'. They go out and draft Alt, giving them solid OT's, already have solid OG's...depth is not great. Here comes the season and things looked reasonably good....then some injuries happen, and the curtain is raised. The WR's and TE's are nothing for defences to worry about. The running game is stuffed because the Chargers are one dimensional, as well as OL is injured and depth is not good enough. Roman is a one trick dog as an OC, so the most talented player is not going to be used effectively....and then he gets injured as well. What do they need? Draft a top RB, OC, TE.....pray for health! That is where you are wrong... Just because you want to be a "run first club" doesn't mean you don't put resources into the passing game and WR corp. There is no running game without a passing game and vice versa. Our run game goes nowhere without a threat at WR and/or TE. Our first 2 wins are a testament to the respect teams give to Herbert due to the potential for big pass plays... Take away a healthy Herbert and a banged up oline and that threat is gone... Stack the box, stop the run. Therefore we are 2-2 on a 2 game losing streak. Dobbins is 25 years old, we don't need to draft a top RB. Bozeman is not the issue on the oline. TE yes... WR yes... But I'd rather have a vet. We don't need another rookie WR unless it is a 1st rounder can't miss phenom. I'd love to have a healthy Cooper Kupp! They brought in Chark at WR to play a key role, but he has not yet seen the field. Palmer has been a disappointment so far, Ladd is playing like we expected, and QJ is showing promise. Having Chark on the field will take defensive pressure off of WR 2/3/4. I will hold off calling Roman a one trick dog until a season plays out. A pass catching TE is the biggest missing piece right now. Roman should give Matlock more targets in pass plays. Just read an article saying Matlock was a TE at one time in his past wearing #44.
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Post by lazylightning on Oct 11, 2024 8:05:47 GMT -7
I think we missed badly on Bowers. Generational TE and QBs best friend. We also missed on Nabors. We picked Alt. Who is a great player and a need. How many games were lost last year when defenses would overwhelm the o-line and sack Herbert. Its a woulda shoulda coulda at this point. Time to look forward...
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Post by afboltfan on Oct 11, 2024 8:08:23 GMT -7
That is where you are wrong... Just because you want to be a "run first club" doesn't mean you don't put resources into the passing game and WR corp. There is no running game without a passing game and vice versa. Our run game goes nowhere without a threat at WR and/or TE. Our first 2 wins are a testament to the respect teams give to Herbert due to the potential for big pass plays... Take away a healthy Herbert and a banged up oline and that threat is gone... Stack the box, stop the run. Therefore we are 2-2 on a 2 game losing streak. Dobbins is 25 years old, we don't need to draft a top RB. Bozeman is not the issue on the oline. TE yes... WR yes... But I'd rather have a vet. We don't need another rookie WR unless it is a 1st rounder can't miss phenom. I'd love to have a healthy Cooper Kupp! They brought in Chark at WR to play a key role, but he has not yet seen the field. Palmer has been a disappointment so far, Ladd is playing like we expected, and QJ is showing promise. Having Chark on the field will take defensive pressure off of WR 2/3/4. I will hold off calling Roman a one trick dog until a season plays out. A pass catching TE is the biggest missing piece right now. Roman should give Matlock more targets in pass plays. Just read an article saying Matlock was a TE at one time in his past wearing #44. It will def be nice to have Chark as another option, but again he is not the type of WR that will command a teams #1 CB. We don't have one and likely won't for some time... I do agree with your assessment though. Agree on TE. Like frozen says, likely no big changes till next season. I give Roman 2 seasons and he's out... Def a one trick dog.
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Post by ohioboltfan on Oct 11, 2024 9:39:41 GMT -7
Justin Herbert is the problem. Hear me out-
Herbert is so good that with him ANY receiver becomes a threat and the passing game can't be overlooked, which creates good running and a balanced offense.
But when he is out, or even when he is gimpy, the offense becomes so one dimensional that it is easily stymied.
When the o-line lets rushers get through and Herbert is deluged, he hasn't been mobile enough or quick enough to get out of danger. This is why he should have been shut down during the Steelers game and for the Chiefs game. His toughness made him play (and lose) when he should've been resting/healing (while we lost anyway).
The investment in the offensive line (Joe Alt) is the right move, even if it isn't the flashy WR or TE we wanted pre-draft. Keeping Herbert healthy is the number one priority.
The early bye week was really needed this time, and I hope Herbert and the starting o-line are truly healthy. Because when Herbert is performing at 100%, the problem is solved.
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Post by chargerfreak on Oct 11, 2024 13:03:53 GMT -7
Chargers 51
smelly farm donkeys goose egg 0
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Post by chargerfreak on Oct 11, 2024 13:10:19 GMT -7
"Closer to 100% this week" for Justin Herbert, per Ian Rapoport
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Post by moekid on Oct 11, 2024 13:53:21 GMT -7
Justin Herbert is the problem. Hear me out- Herbert is so good that with him ANY receiver becomes a threat and the passing game can't be overlooked, which creates good running and a balanced offense. But when he is out, or even when he is gimpy, the offense becomes so one dimensional that it is easily stymied. When the o-line lets rushers get through and Herbert is deluged, he hasn't been mobile enough or quick enough to get out of danger. This is why he should have been shut down during the Steelers game and for the Chiefs game. His toughness made him play (and lose) when he should've been resting/healing (while we lost anyway). The investment in the offensive line (Joe Alt) is the right move, even if it isn't the flashy WR or TE we wanted pre-draft. Keeping Herbert healthy is the number one priority. The early bye week was really needed this time, and I hope Herbert and the starting o-line are truly healthy. Because when Herbert is performing at 100%, the problem is solved. For the "keep Herbert healthy" people, we have now used our first round pick in 3 of the last 4 drafts on OL and during this period Herbert has been injured several different times. Prior to using our first rounds pick Herbert was completely healthy. So instead of having world class explosive weapons we have these guys (who have been injured as well) what has really been the benefit? |
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Post by afboltfan on Oct 11, 2024 15:50:30 GMT -7
Justin Herbert is the problem. Hear me out- Herbert is so good that with him ANY receiver becomes a threat and the passing game can't be overlooked, which creates good running and a balanced offense.But when he is out, or even when he is gimpy, the offense becomes so one dimensional that it is easily stymied. When the o-line lets rushers get through and Herbert is deluged, he hasn't been mobile enough or quick enough to get out of danger. This is why he should have been shut down during the Steelers game and for the Chiefs game. His toughness made him play (and lose) when he should've been resting/healing (while we lost anyway). The investment in the offensive line (Joe Alt) is the right move, even if it isn't the flashy WR or TE we wanted pre-draft. Keeping Herbert healthy is the number one priority. The early bye week was really needed this time, and I hope Herbert and the starting o-line are truly healthy. Because when Herbert is performing at 100%, the problem is solved. That's what I mean, but "ANY" receiver is debatable... But the point remains.
Alt was the right pick... Mack was the right move, Dobbins was the right move, Bozeman was the right move. Bosa, Hurst, and Edwards was not, as cheap as they may have been.
We're lucky we didn't have an RGIII level injury with Herbert against the Steelers or Chiefs. The bye was needed... Although after only 4 games!!!  sheesh... Soft much?
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Post by afboltfan on Oct 11, 2024 15:52:03 GMT -7
Justin Herbert is the problem. Hear me out- Herbert is so good that with him ANY receiver becomes a threat and the passing game can't be overlooked, which creates good running and a balanced offense. But when he is out, or even when he is gimpy, the offense becomes so one dimensional that it is easily stymied. When the o-line lets rushers get through and Herbert is deluged, he hasn't been mobile enough or quick enough to get out of danger. This is why he should have been shut down during the Steelers game and for the Chiefs game. His toughness made him play (and lose) when he should've been resting/healing (while we lost anyway). The investment in the offensive line (Joe Alt) is the right move, even if it isn't the flashy WR or TE we wanted pre-draft. Keeping Herbert healthy is the number one priority. The early bye week was really needed this time, and I hope Herbert and the starting o-line are truly healthy. Because when Herbert is performing at 100%, the problem is solved. For the "keep Herbert healthy" people, we have now used our first round pick in 3 of the last 4 drafts on OL and during this period Herbert has been injured several different times. Prior to using our first rounds pick Herbert was completely healthy. So instead of having world class explosive weapons we have these guys (who have been injured as well) what has really been the benefit?Potential? In reality... Zero.
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Post by frozendisc on Oct 12, 2024 7:57:26 GMT -7
Chargers 51 smelly farm donkeys goose egg 0 Seems crazy optimistic for points scored..... Chargers 9 Donks 6
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