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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 24, 2019 3:27:19 GMT -7
I won't be ignorant and try to pin you down with a tough question, I'll just comment. I don't see two starting level guards. We have to be careful, just because our two best guards start HERE, does not make them good. I'll just go through a few: Lamp is glass and can't be trusted to be on the field. Feeney blows. Schofield is up for his contract and just for that reason alone I cut him. I would much rather that money went to one or more others. His money alone could pay for two Draftee's on the line. Think of that. Can we upgrade? Yes. That doesn’t mean what we have is not sufficient to win. It is. We haven’t lost games due to our ol. We’ve lost because we fumbled on the goal line and threw picks when games were on the line. Let’s say we won 3 of the 4 games I’m thinking of: detroit, tenn, oak and KC. We’re 7-4 and nobody’s bitching about the ol (except frozen). Most of the rankings sources people have pointed to out our ol at middle of the pack. So, yes we can upgrade if possible and by all means go for it. But let’s face it we have a number of holes and the most glaring one is at the position of most importance in today’s nfl. Moe, I simply don't think we do. the raiders etc, are not exactly big league defenses, they and KC actually suck at defense. We lost both. Now envision NE, Pitt, and Baltimore's defenses in the playoffs. Its goodnight Irene at that point. We keep having these one score losses so we have to find the difference in one score. I'm stating right here that throughout the entire course of the game that Oline is the difference in 3 or 7 points. Those games Gordon and Ekeler each had 40 yards per game. Gordon and Ekeler each having only 40 yards per game multiple times ?? Uh uh. No way. There is your answer.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 24, 2019 8:05:03 GMT -7
I won't be ignorant and try to pin you down with a tough question, I'll just comment. I don't see two starting level guards. We have to be careful, just because our two best guards start HERE, does not make them good. I'll just go through a few: Lamp is glass and can't be trusted to be on the field. Feeney blows. Schofield is up for his contract and just for that reason alone I cut him. I would much rather that money went to one or more others. His money alone could pay for two Draftee's on the line. Think of that. Can we upgrade? Yes. That doesn’t mean what we have is not sufficient to win. It is. We haven’t lost games due to our ol. We’ve lost because we fumbled on the goal line and threw picks when games were on the line. Let’s say we won 3 of the 4 games I’m thinking of: detroit, tenn, oak and KC. We’re 7-4 and nobody’s bitching about the ol (except frozen). Most of the rankings sources people have pointed to out our ol at middle of the pack. So, yes we can upgrade if possible and by all means go for it. But let’s face it we have a number of holes and the most glaring one is at the position of most importance in today’s nfl. Is the roster, all of it not just the OL group, sufficient to win? Certainly.....win a game here and there. The problem is they are not good enough to win enough to matter. Then get specific, such as a look at the OL group, and the insufficiency is glaring. Fix the OL, fix the offence. Fix the offence, fix the win/loss problem.
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Post by moekid on Nov 24, 2019 10:16:50 GMT -7
Can we upgrade? Yes. That doesn’t mean what we have is not sufficient to win. It is. We haven’t lost games due to our ol. We’ve lost because we fumbled on the goal line and threw picks when games were on the line. Let’s say we won 3 of the 4 games I’m thinking of: detroit, tenn, oak and KC. We’re 7-4 and nobody’s bitching about the ol (except frozen). Most of the rankings sources people have pointed to out our ol at middle of the pack. So, yes we can upgrade if possible and by all means go for it. But let’s face it we have a number of holes and the most glaring one is at the position of most importance in today’s nfl. Tenn. Lynn was immediately discussing the oline when he said if we can't get one yard then we don't deserve to win. Multiple times we could not even push one yard. Does Rivers make all those rushed mistakes if he has more time. I would literally be scared to death if Pipkins was my left tackle. I'm not making a joke either. Pipkens isn’t supposed to be starting. He’s 3rd on the depth chart. Not sure what team has a 3rd string LT that’s better. If you think we’re gonna have 3 deep at OL, or any team is, pass the dutchie Tenn, Gordon fumbled what would have been the winning TD. |
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Post by moekid on Nov 24, 2019 10:17:42 GMT -7
Can we upgrade? Yes. That doesn’t mean what we have is not sufficient to win. It is. We haven’t lost games due to our ol. We’ve lost because we fumbled on the goal line and threw picks when games were on the line. Let’s say we won 3 of the 4 games I’m thinking of: detroit, tenn, oak and KC. We’re 7-4 and nobody’s bitching about the ol (except frozen). Most of the rankings sources people have pointed to out our ol at middle of the pack. So, yes we can upgrade if possible and by all means go for it. But let’s face it we have a number of holes and the most glaring one is at the position of most importance in today’s nfl. Moe, I simply don't think we do. the raiders etc, are not exactly big league defenses, they and KC actually suck at defense. We lost both. Now envision NE, Pitt, and Baltimore's defenses in the playoffs. Its goodnight Irene at that point. We keep having these one score losses so we have to find the difference in one score. I'm stating right here that throughout the entire course of the game that Oline is the difference in 3 or 7 points. Those games Gordon and Ekeler each had 40 yards per game. Gordon and Ekeler each having only 40 yards per game multiple times ?? Uh uh. No way. There is your answer. And what about the games we ran for 150? |
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Post by moekid on Nov 24, 2019 10:23:26 GMT -7
Can we upgrade? Yes. That doesn’t mean what we have is not sufficient to win. It is. We haven’t lost games due to our ol. We’ve lost because we fumbled on the goal line and threw picks when games were on the line. Let’s say we won 3 of the 4 games I’m thinking of: detroit, tenn, oak and KC. We’re 7-4 and nobody’s bitching about the ol (except frozen). Most of the rankings sources people have pointed to out our ol at middle of the pack. So, yes we can upgrade if possible and by all means go for it. But let’s face it we have a number of holes and the most glaring one is at the position of most importance in today’s nfl. Is the roster, all of it not just the OL group, sufficient to win? Certainly.....win a game here and there. The problem is they are not good enough to win enough to matter. Then get specific, such as a look at the OL group, and the insufficiency is glaring. Fix the OL, fix the offence. Fix the offence, fix the win/loss problem. Look around the league and tell me who has great OL’s. Dallas? Colts? Those are generally thought to be the most talented. They’re barely over .500. Now look at teams like Balt and NE. NE is an outlier because they have the best OL coach in the game. But they’ve have multiple injuries on their OL and keep clicking. Coaching matters fellas. I don’t want to be in the position of defending g the OL because, like I said, we can upgrade. But focusing on that unit as the cause for 4-7 is a mistake. The entire team has not played good complementary football all season except for the GB mirage. The injury succubus has visited us again but our entire FO and coaching staff is also to blame. |
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Post by totallybolted on Nov 24, 2019 11:08:13 GMT -7
Is the roster, all of it not just the OL group, sufficient to win? Certainly.....win a game here and there. The problem is they are not good enough to win enough to matter. Then get specific, such as a look at the OL group, and the insufficiency is glaring. Fix the OL, fix the offence. Fix the offence, fix the win/loss problem. Look around the league and tell me who has great OL’s. Dallas? Colts? Those are generally thought to be the most talented. They’re barely over .500. Now look at teams like Balt and NE. NE is an outlier because they have the best OL coach in the game. But they’ve have multiple injuries on their OL and keep clicking. Coaching matters fellas. I don’t want to be in the position of defending g the OL because, like I said, we can upgrade. But focusing on that unit as the cause for 4-7 is a mistake. The entire team has not played good complementary football all season except for the GB mirage. The injury succubus has visited us again but our entire FO and coaching staff is also to blame. The injury succubus has visited us again but our entire FO and coaching staff and franchise QB is also to blame. Fixed it for you
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Post by sonorajim on Nov 24, 2019 13:13:29 GMT -7
There’s no way to get rid of them. The only times this franchise has truly succeeded on the field is when they had a head coach with a proven track record who was good enough to outweigh the shittiness of the team owners. Gilman, Coryell, Ross and Schottenheimer. Lynn is a first timer and it looks like he doesn’t have the right stuff. This is on TT. He cant draft OL and he cant hire HC To say "can't" is over the top.
TT has a lousy batting avg re OL draft, true. He's young & may have learned something.
His HC doesn't look so good currently. Last year he looked like a star.
I'm curious how the season plays out. Not expecting miracles but curious. It might affect my opinion of Lynn.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 24, 2019 13:42:42 GMT -7
Is the roster, all of it not just the OL group, sufficient to win? Certainly.....win a game here and there. The problem is they are not good enough to win enough to matter. Then get specific, such as a look at the OL group, and the insufficiency is glaring. Fix the OL, fix the offence. Fix the offence, fix the win/loss problem. Look around the league and tell me who has great OL’s. Dallas? Colts? Those are generally thought to be the most talented. They’re barely over .500. Now look at teams like Balt and NE. NE is an outlier because they have the best OL coach in the game. But they’ve have multiple injuries on their OL and keep clicking. Coaching matters fellas. I don’t want to be in the position of defending g the OL because, like I said, we can upgrade. But focusing on that unit as the cause for 4-7 is a mistake. The entire team has not played good complementary football all season except for the GB mirage. The injury succubus has visited us again but our entire FO and coaching staff is also to blame. Injuries, poor talent, poor coaching.......that would be my order of blame for the results this season to date. When the injuries started hitting, far below average talent was forced to play far too much. Poor coaching just exacerbated the situation.....
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 25, 2019 2:41:33 GMT -7
Is the roster, all of it not just the OL group, sufficient to win? Certainly.....win a game here and there. The problem is they are not good enough to win enough to matter. Then get specific, such as a look at the OL group, and the insufficiency is glaring. Fix the OL, fix the offence. Fix the offence, fix the win/loss problem. Those are generally thought to be the most talented. They’re barely over .500. Now look at teams like Balt and NE. NE is an outlier because they have the best OL coach in the game. But they’ve have multiple injuries on their OL and keep clicking. Coaching matters fellas. I don’t want to be in the position of defending g the OL because, like I said, we can upgrade. But focusing on that unit as the cause for 4-7 is a mistake. The entire team has not played good complementary football all season except for the GB mirage. The injury succubus has visited us again but our entire FO and coaching staff is also to blame. I want to give you a great example of what a good oline can do. Its current for 2019, and its local for me. Pittsburgh. Do you know who is literally the Marquee player for Pittsburgh's offense ? Their Oline. Crazy talk right ? Franchise QB hurt for the year. Star WR traded to oakland. RB James Connor out hurt. (They were really lame after Connors. Bad depth at RB). Ju Ju Smith out right now. They signed some seventh round pick for the Bears Kerrith Whyte. First game yesterday, he averaged 7.2 yards per carry. Pouncey, DeCastro, and the rest of the hee haw gang is literally the stars of the offense. THAT'S what a good oline can do for you.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 25, 2019 8:19:40 GMT -7
Look around the league and tell me who has great OL’s. Dallas? Colts? Those are generally thought to be the most talented. They’re barely over .500. Now look at teams like Balt and NE. NE is an outlier because they have the best OL coach in the game. But they’ve have multiple injuries on their OL and keep clicking. Coaching matters fellas. I don’t want to be in the position of defending g the OL because, like I said, we can upgrade. But focusing on that unit as the cause for 4-7 is a mistake. The entire team has not played good complementary football all season except for the GB mirage. The injury succubus has visited us again but our entire FO and coaching staff is also to blame. I want to give you a great example of what a good oline can do. Its current for 2019, and its local for me. Pittsburgh. Do you know who is literally the Marquee player for Pittsburgh's offense ? Their Oline. Crazy talk right ? Franchise QB hurt for the year. Star WR traded to oakland. RB James Connor out hurt. (They were really lame after Connors. Bad depth at RB). Ju Ju Smith out right now. They signed some seventh round pick for the Bears Kerrith Whyte. First game yesterday, he averaged 7.2 yards per carry. Pouncey, DeCastro, and the rest of the hee haw gang is literally the stars of the offense. THAT'S what a good oline can do for you. And there are those wanting to dump Rivers...... Fix the Ol.....it really is that simple.
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Post by moekid on Nov 25, 2019 8:28:00 GMT -7
Look around the league and tell me who has great OL’s. Dallas? Colts? Those are generally thought to be the most talented. They’re barely over .500. Now look at teams like Balt and NE. NE is an outlier because they have the best OL coach in the game. But they’ve have multiple injuries on their OL and keep clicking. Coaching matters fellas. I don’t want to be in the position of defending g the OL because, like I said, we can upgrade. But focusing on that unit as the cause for 4-7 is a mistake. The entire team has not played good complementary football all season except for the GB mirage. The injury succubus has visited us again but our entire FO and coaching staff is also to blame. I want to give you a great example of what a good oline can do. Its current for 2019, and its local for me. Pittsburgh. Do you know who is literally the Marquee player for Pittsburgh's offense ? Their Oline. Crazy talk right ? Franchise QB hurt for the year. Star WR traded to oakland. RB James Connor out hurt. (They were really lame after Connors. Bad depth at RB). Ju Ju Smith out right now. They signed some seventh round pick for the Bears Kerrith Whyte. First game yesterday, he averaged 7.2 yards per carry. Pouncey, DeCastro, and the rest of the hee haw gang is literally the stars of the offense. THAT'S what a good oline can do for you. They’re offense isn’t performing at all. It’s their defense that has them in the hunt. They played the 0-11 Bengals. You wanna crown their OL? Crown their ass |
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 25, 2019 10:31:48 GMT -7
I want to give you a great example of what a good oline can do. Its current for 2019, and its local for me. Pittsburgh. Do you know who is literally the Marquee player for Pittsburgh's offense ? Their Oline. Crazy talk right ? Franchise QB hurt for the year. Star WR traded to oakland. RB James Connor out hurt. (They were really lame after Connors. Bad depth at RB). Ju Ju Smith out right now. They signed some seventh round pick for the Bears Kerrith Whyte. First game yesterday, he averaged 7.2 yards per carry. Pouncey, DeCastro, and the rest of the hee haw gang is literally the stars of the offense. THAT'S what a good oline can do for you. They’re offense isn’t performing at all. It’s their defense that has them in the hunt. They played the 0-11 Bengals. You wanna crown their OL? Crown their ass Compared to ours, I crown.
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Post by moekid on Nov 25, 2019 10:37:52 GMT -7
They’re offense isn’t performing at all. It’s their defense that has them in the hunt. They played the 0-11 Bengals. You wanna crown their OL? Crown their ass Compared to ours, I crown. congrats. happy thanksgiving.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 25, 2019 10:41:36 GMT -7
Compared to ours, I crown. congrats. happy thanksgiving. Happy Turkey Day !!!!! We are actually doing ours on Friday for the first time ever. Stupid kids have stupid plans on stupid Thursday. Freakin ingrates I'm telling you. They'll be Thankful if I don't slap one of them in the face. We don't play on Thursday this year so maybe they'll get a reprieve.
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Post by sonorajim on Nov 25, 2019 11:17:04 GMT -7
They’re offense isn’t performing at all. It’s their defense that has them in the hunt. They played the 0-11 Bengals. You wanna crown their OL? Crown their ass Compared to ours, I crown. Steelers are 28th in offensive ypg, Chargers are 14th. I'm not seeing it.
That said, I think DeCastro would be an upgrade at OG.
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