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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 29, 2019 2:59:43 GMT -7
I'm not advocating either way at this point. I need more data. But I can tell you this: There is a lot of outside pundits saying Rivers is done, or at a minimum that we should move on. You can call it no Ring, whatever. But there is something to the " its the same story every year with the Chargers" that strikes a chord in me. I'm sure it does with you guys as well. We are SO loyal, and there is misery to be found with the same story year after year after year. At some point I go Ok. Its hard. Its tough. Now what do we do about it. Maybe its this side of Freakville to say "Let's do the same thing again in September !" My problem with that is it what exactly is that same story? It hasn't always been the PR story. It hasn't been PR losing, it been one part of the team or another. Go all the way back to Macree. You can flat out blame lousy drafts, lousy coaching, and lousy players for years 2008 to 2015. To me "the story" is every time the bolts have the talent to win, they get hit by injuries, and or mental mistakes. The mental mistakes take precedent IMO. Every team has injuries. Clock management, penalties at the wrong time, breakdowns in assignments, INT's, fumbles, and for good measure (cause most think this) wrong play selection or wrong D system. To be fair, the bolts injury bug seems a lot worse for some reason. More players and deeper down the roster. I'm not sure it matters. Or, we have to get past the facts of what we believe matters. Its this cycle of insanity, and you need to break it. Repeating it IS the very definition of insanity. Drastic times call for drastic measures. Don't worry, they won't do anything. Rivers contract extended. Draft more safeties and linebackers. Ignore the Oline, they just "need time to gel". We'll blame the injuries. We'll be fine next time. Until it happens yet again.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 29, 2019 3:05:26 GMT -7
High School coach, or join a club that has the money and talent..... The Bolts (TT if you believe he is making the decisions alone) have made attempts each year to improve the OL, they just have not worked. That needs to change. It is to a point that the Bolts need an 'all in' approach to fixing it.....Draft, FA's, UDFA's......even a trade perhaps. If nothing else gets addressed but OL, and they end up with an OL that sees all starters in top 15 rating, they might be on the path to winning more than losing. Lynn is proving himself to be a mediocre HC.......same unfocused mistake filled group each week. I do not envision winning a Super Bowl with Lynn, so I would move on by releasing the entire staff at season end. Perhaps it was to extend Pouncy; how is that working out? The bolt's front office (led by TT) biggest FA moves were letting a talented WR walk and acquiring an aging linebacker. The entire 2019 draft was primarily defense that have been ineffective or developmental offensive players. Lynn may be a scapegoat, and probably will go before TT. I say: If Rivers comes back, keep the team in place and put everyone on notice that this is the year, or else. If Rivers retires, then clean house with a new GM and let the coaches reapply to keep their jobs. Heaven help us. That is exactly correct on the move they made in the draft. Sioux Falls College. Did I mention heaven help us ?
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 29, 2019 3:07:40 GMT -7
I keep saying that, but Freak stays quiet...... What ? What am I quiet about. Any topic at all and I will give my opinion. Its a forum ya know.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 29, 2019 3:10:35 GMT -7
If Rivers returns, go all in ... I support that. Superbowl or bust! Give PR one more chance at a ring. He deserves the opportunity to be on that big stage. I have been screaming all in since the Patriots game !!!! No one wanted to listen in the offseason. Oline ? We need to go all in if its Rivers, Taylor, or Arnie Armthrower from Sioux Falls College.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 29, 2019 3:15:21 GMT -7
When playing those games against the better teams, such as in the PO's, those teams exploit the weaknesses. If Rivers is considered the 'weakness' that needs to be exploited, it stands that the OL is the most important aspect impeding that exploitation. It has been said many times, get to Rivers, sack him, bump him, make him rush his throws, and you will likely win the game. I personally think that statement is accurate regardless of who the QB is. I am in no way exonerating Rivers' poor play, but he is a future HOF member, and certainly a franchise QB. TT needs to fix what needs fixing, and that is the poor talent in the OL group. Until that is accomplished, it won't matter who the QB is. The blame in my view follows as such: Injuries, lack of talent in the depth players, poor coaching. No single person is to shoulder the blame...... That sounds right to me, and I’d suggest that while Rivers is a HoF QB and has been a franchise QB, it’s at least possible that he isn’t what he used to be. Thus the other factors compound and may be resulting in other teams exploiting the OL, depth, and coaching to make Rivers do what he can’t (or can’t as often) anymore. But see too games in the past where he did have a line and just played manic ball, usually leading to misses or interceptions. Some of that is just who he is. The gig in New England is as plain as the the Bolts on our helmets. Brady is not Brady anymore. They have the number 1 defense, the best special teams in the league, and he is hoping it is enough to get one more SuperBowl. We are no where near that same situation. There is no "the rest of the team will carry you PR". We HAVE to have a positive producing QB on this team.
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 29, 2019 3:19:02 GMT -7
That sounds right to me, and I’d suggest that while Rivers is a HoF QB and has been a franchise QB, it’s at least possible that he isn’t what he used to be. Thus the other factors compound and may be resulting in other teams exploiting the OL, depth, and coaching to make Rivers do what he can’t (or can’t as often) anymore. But see too games in the past where he did have a line and just played manic ball, usually leading to misses or interceptions. Some of that is just who he is. My only thought on this is that the things people bring up about Rivers are aspects that have been part of him his entire career. Yes there are better years, and worse years, but I just don't see a declining arm strength, or such things. Rivers seems as physically able today as he was 8-10 years ago. That said, it won't be much longer before we are writing posts that lament not having Rivers at QB, similar to the posts after LT retired. The really really good ones are just not easily replaced..... Who the hell cares what his arm strength is when he is throwing at the other team ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Are the opposing CB's complaining that the throws are too hard ?!?!?!?!?! Did Denver's secondary stop by our practice and tell our 12 year old offensive coordinator to go tell Rivers to take a little off his throws, its hurting their hands ?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 29, 2019 6:09:36 GMT -7
PR will not get this team a Superbowl... Its time to stop changing every piece to the puzzle except the one that matters. (ok except Whisenhunt he was not a good OC)... Lynn is a good coach, he needs to stay. He is the kind of guy that will go on be a success someplace else if we let him go.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 29, 2019 8:08:17 GMT -7
Are we not going "all in" every year? I was meaning an 'all in' on rebuild of the OL group..... Spend some big money in FA on OL, which I hate, but.... Spend the top three picks on OL...... *If Rivers is returning.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 29, 2019 8:13:10 GMT -7
That sounds right to me, and I’d suggest that while Rivers is a HoF QB and has been a franchise QB, it’s at least possible that he isn’t what he used to be. Thus the other factors compound and may be resulting in other teams exploiting the OL, depth, and coaching to make Rivers do what he can’t (or can’t as often) anymore. But see too games in the past where he did have a line and just played manic ball, usually leading to misses or interceptions. Some of that is just who he is. The gig in New England is as plain as the the Bolts on our helmets. Brady is not Brady anymore. They have the number 1 defense, the best special teams in the league, and he is hoping it is enough to get one more SuperBowl. We are no where near that same situation. There is no "the rest of the team will carry you PR". We HAVE to have a positive producing QB on this team. It is quite rare to see the Patriots playing unfocused, ill prepared, mistake filled football. Walk from the average Lynn......
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 29, 2019 8:16:37 GMT -7
PR will not get this team a Superbowl... Its time to stop changing every piece to the puzzle except the one that matters. (ok except Whisenhunt he was not a good OC)... Lynn is a good coach, he needs to stay. He is the kind of guy that will go on be a success someplace else if we let him go. It won't be too much longer and you will have a new QB running things...... Lynn is a success now by some standards....but he won't win a Super Bowl as HC of the Bolts.
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Post by totallybolted on Nov 29, 2019 9:27:07 GMT -7
My only thought on this is that the things people bring up about Rivers are aspects that have been part of him his entire career. Yes there are better years, and worse years, but I just don't see a declining arm strength, or such things. Rivers seems as physically able today as he was 8-10 years ago. That said, it won't be much longer before we are writing posts that lament not having Rivers at QB, similar to the posts after LT retired. The really really good ones are just not easily replaced..... Who the hell cares what his arm strength is when he is throwing at the other team ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Are the opposing CB's complaining that the throws are too hard ?!?!?!?!?! Did Denver's secondary stop by our practice and tell our 12 year old offensive coordinator to go tell Rivers to take a little off his throws, its hurting their hands ?!?!?!?!?!?!? Me likey. It's tunnel vision. PR problem is not physical, its mental.
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Post by totallybolted on Nov 29, 2019 9:28:57 GMT -7
The gig in New England is as plain as the the Bolts on our helmets. Brady is not Brady anymore. They have the number 1 defense, the best special teams in the league, and he is hoping it is enough to get one more SuperBowl. We are no where near that same situation. There is no "the rest of the team will carry you PR". We HAVE to have a positive producing QB on this team. It is quite rare to see the Patriots playing unfocused, ill prepared, mistake filled football. Walk from the average Lynn...... NE is suffering from weak O talent. They lost two good OL last year to FA. I wonder if they are thinking, "maybe we should have paid them".
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Post by moekid on Nov 29, 2019 10:26:20 GMT -7
It is quite rare to see the Patriots playing unfocused, ill prepared, mistake filled football. Walk from the average Lynn...... NE is suffering from weak O talent. They lost two good OL last year to FA. I wonder if they are thinking, "maybe we should have paid them". Just a reminder but NE is 10-1 |
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Post by afboltfan on Nov 29, 2019 10:48:03 GMT -7
You're only making your pain worse by comparing this team to the Patriots. No team in the league should do that... The Patriots are an enigma no other team can copy.
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Post by sonorajim on Nov 29, 2019 10:52:05 GMT -7
I like how everybody is getting on the 'fix the OL' train..... LOL! I've been driving the "Fix the OL" train for years. And Roo has been there 99% of the ride. Glad to have you and Freak aboard. OL has always been a priority. It's just not the ONLY thing. Ya gots to have a TEAM.
"OL Wins Championships" isn't a saying - but you can't win a SB without one. I'd be tickled to have at least one dominant young star on OL with a mix of "OK", "OK+" in the balance. We aren't there. Get that guy, then continue to shop OL upgrades. That one star makes everyone better. You never know what will happen 'till you have one. Chris Dielman was the star of the Dielman, Hardwick, Goff IOL. McNeill had his moments. They did some pretty good work but were not enough. If I remember correctly, Safety was the biggest annual need then. We appear to have that covered now but it still takes a solid 53 plus coaching.
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