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Post by chargerfreak on May 7, 2019 1:03:34 GMT -7
Starting May 8, teams will also get fresh motivation to explore the top veterans still on the market, since signings after May 7 do not count against future compensatory draft picks -- increasing commodities in a younger, data-driven game. With that being said, here's 10 of the top remaining free agents available: RB Jay Ajayi WR Michael Crabtree DT Corey Liuget DT Ndamukong Suh DE Ezekiel Ansah DE Muhammad Wilkerson OLB Derrick Morgan LB Jamie Collins CB Morris Claiborne S Eric Berry Reading down that list, and considering each players attributes along with what it might take money wise, I just do not see TT making any phone calls. By the time we get to May 8th, the money changes drastically. FA opens, big money time. Then there is wave 2. Still good money, but the big stuff is typically over. Then you have all of this time and the draft. By now rosters are full, and beginning to harden. This is usually the ones that just fill in a blank, or bolster what you have. Big change in money by now. Just a wild example: I like Suh on a two year contract that is front loaded. When FA opened, he might have been asking 11 million a year. Wave 2, 8 million a year. By now you could get him for about 5 million a year. Would I still do it ? Yes. Yes I would. Did you know he had a two game suspension in 2011. That's it. He has never missed a game his whole career for injuries or personal reasons......................
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Post by joemcrugby on May 7, 2019 4:08:15 GMT -7
It will be interesting to see what money Suh signs for at the end of the day. Albert Breer noted that along with Sam Bradford, Suh was from the last draft class of the wild wild West draft days before the new CBA was adopted, so he has never played a season where he has made less than $10 million.
Suh will have to accept that in 2019, but I’m not too sure how willing he will be to accept it as the next phase of free agency opens. It may take a while before he signs.
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Post by totallybolted on May 7, 2019 5:54:25 GMT -7
It will be interesting to see what money Suh signs for at the end of the day. Albert Breer noted that along with Sam Bradford, Suh was from the last draft class of the wild wild West draft days before the new CBA was adopted, so he has never played a season where he has made less than $10 million. Suh will have to accept that in 2019, but I’m not too sure how willing he will be to accept it as the next phase of free agency opens. It may take a while before he signs. Don't they always make less, the longer they wait?
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Post by frozendisc on May 7, 2019 6:22:55 GMT -7
Reading down that list, and considering each players attributes along with what it might take money wise, I just do not see TT making any phone calls. By the time we get to May 8th, the money changes drastically. FA opens, big money time. Then there is wave 2. Still good money, but the big stuff is typically over. Then you have all of this time and the draft. By now rosters are full, and beginning to harden. This is usually the ones that just fill in a blank, or bolster what you have. Big change in money by now. Just a wild example: I like Suh on a two year contract that is front loaded. When FA opened, he might have been asking 11 million a year. Wave 2, 8 million a year. By now you could get him for about 5 million a year. Would I still do it ? Yes. Yes I would. Did you know he had a two game suspension in 2011. That's it. He has never missed a game his whole career for injuries or personal reasons...................... The later it gets, the lower the ask......or at least that is the theory.
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Post by chargerfreak on May 7, 2019 6:55:07 GMT -7
By the time we get to May 8th, the money changes drastically. FA opens, big money time. Then there is wave 2. Still good money, but the big stuff is typically over. Then you have all of this time and the draft. By now rosters are full, and beginning to harden. This is usually the ones that just fill in a blank, or bolster what you have. Big change in money by now. Just a wild example: I like Suh on a two year contract that is front loaded. When FA opened, he might have been asking 11 million a year. Wave 2, 8 million a year. By now you could get him for about 5 million a year. Would I still do it ? Yes. Yes I would. Did you know he had a two game suspension in 2011. That's it. He has never missed a game his whole career for injuries or personal reasons...................... The later it gets, the lower the ask......or at least that is the theory. Yeah, that's the general gist of it. He is a tricky one. He is used to double digit millions, if he doesn't get it, does he sit out ? This late in the career I think that would be a mistake. Go get the 5-6 whatever, while you can.
I'll tell you this: He doesn't get hurt and he is beastly in the middle.
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Post by frozendisc on May 7, 2019 7:12:10 GMT -7
The later it gets, the lower the ask......or at least that is the theory. Yeah, that's the general gist of it. He is a tricky one. He is used to double digit millions, if he doesn't get it, does he sit out ? This late in the career I think that would be a mistake. Go get the 5-6 whatever, while you can.
I'll tell you this: He doesn't get hurt and he is beastly in the middle.
Another thing a player late in his career considers usually is grabbing that last chunk of money. If they have managed earlier earnings well, the need is less pressing, if not.....well they will want as much as they can get, and that sometimes leads to no agreement and clubs moving on. Rosters get set, and now that player might be waiting until injury creates demand, and late money is always less money. I think that Suh and agent over valued their position, and that mistake will cost Suh some serious money. They should have signed for the highest offer received in the initial phase of FA.
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Post by chargerfreak on May 7, 2019 8:03:05 GMT -7
Yeah, that's the general gist of it. He is a tricky one. He is used to double digit millions, if he doesn't get it, does he sit out ? This late in the career I think that would be a mistake. Go get the 5-6 whatever, while you can.
I'll tell you this: He doesn't get hurt and he is beastly in the middle.
Another thing a player late in his career considers usually is grabbing that last chunk of money. If they have managed earlier earnings well, the need is less pressing, if not.....well they will want as much as they can get, and that sometimes leads to no agreement and clubs moving on. Rosters get set, and now that player might be waiting until injury creates demand, and late money is always less money. I think that Suh and agent over valued their position, and that mistake will cost Suh some serious money. They should have signed for the highest offer received in the initial phase of FA. They may have weighed the risk and decided his last best offer is the same as this week. Chargers offered 6 million. They will do it again May 8th, so lets see what pops up in between time. That type of thing.
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Post by moekid on May 7, 2019 8:41:20 GMT -7
Another thing a player late in his career considers usually is grabbing that last chunk of money. If they have managed earlier earnings well, the need is less pressing, if not.....well they will want as much as they can get, and that sometimes leads to no agreement and clubs moving on. Rosters get set, and now that player might be waiting until injury creates demand, and late money is always less money. I think that Suh and agent over valued their position, and that mistake will cost Suh some serious money. They should have signed for the highest offer received in the initial phase of FA. They may have weighed the risk and decided his last best offer is the same as this week. Chargers offered 6 million. They will do it again May 8th, so lets see what pops up in between time. That type of thing. Wait, are u saying the Chargers offered Suh $6m? |
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Post by frozendisc on May 7, 2019 10:06:20 GMT -7
Another thing a player late in his career considers usually is grabbing that last chunk of money. If they have managed earlier earnings well, the need is less pressing, if not.....well they will want as much as they can get, and that sometimes leads to no agreement and clubs moving on. Rosters get set, and now that player might be waiting until injury creates demand, and late money is always less money. I think that Suh and agent over valued their position, and that mistake will cost Suh some serious money. They should have signed for the highest offer received in the initial phase of FA. They may have weighed the risk and decided his last best offer is the same as this week. Chargers offered 6 million. They will do it again May 8th, so lets see what pops up in between time. That type of thing. I doubt that Suh was offered anything close to what he was asking, and that belief goes without knowing any of the numbers, it is simply based off of no signing. The real question is has whatever was offered in the initial days of FA stayed the same, or gone down ? My thought is it has gone down somewhat, and that can't make the Suh camp comfortable with this moving forward. I never read anything about the Bolts offering 6 million, so no idea where you get that.
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Post by chargerfreak on May 7, 2019 10:09:06 GMT -7
They may have weighed the risk and decided his last best offer is the same as this week. Chargers offered 6 million. They will do it again May 8th, so lets see what pops up in between time. That type of thing. Wait, are u saying the Chargers offered Suh $6m? Are you TRYING to give Tom Telesco a heart attack ?!?!?!?!?!?
It is a number I made up for examples.
I do know they talked to him though. Now we have to figure out if talky talk will continue, or do they feel satisfied with Tillery only.......................
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Post by frozendisc on May 7, 2019 10:11:54 GMT -7
Wait, are u saying the Chargers offered Suh $6m? Are you TRYING to give Tom Telesco a heart attack ?!?!?!?!?!?
It is a number I made up for examples.
I do know they talked to him though. Now we have to figure out if talky talk will continue, or do they feel satisfied with Tillery only.......................
A bunch of teams talked to the Suh camp, none signed.....implies a big ask in my view.
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Post by chargerfreak on May 7, 2019 10:12:19 GMT -7
They may have weighed the risk and decided his last best offer is the same as this week. Chargers offered 6 million. They will do it again May 8th, so lets see what pops up in between time. That type of thing. I doubt that Suh was offered anything close to what he was asking, and that belief goes without knowing any of the numbers, it is simply based off of no signing. The real question is has whatever was offered in the initial days of FA stayed the same, or gone down ? My thought is it has gone down somewhat, and that can't make the Suh camp comfortable with this moving forward. I never read anything about the Bolts offering 6 million, so no idea where you get that. The problem with being an Emperor is that you people take everything I say literally. That is actually a wise habit to get into.
My dollar figures are for examples to show formula's and trend patterns.
Yeah, I know he is used to getting big dollars.......but that had to end sometime, and his time is now. It will be interesting to see what he does.
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Post by frozendisc on May 7, 2019 10:22:42 GMT -7
I doubt that Suh was offered anything close to what he was asking, and that belief goes without knowing any of the numbers, it is simply based off of no signing. The real question is has whatever was offered in the initial days of FA stayed the same, or gone down ? My thought is it has gone down somewhat, and that can't make the Suh camp comfortable with this moving forward. I never read anything about the Bolts offering 6 million, so no idea where you get that. The problem with being an Emperor is that you people take everything I say literally. That is actually a wise habit to get into.
My dollar figures are for examples to show formula's and trend patterns.
Yeah, I know he is used to getting big dollars.......but that had to end sometime, and his time is now. It will be interesting to see what he does.
The problem with being a fantasy emperor is the delusional aspect..... Suh might be harboring some aches and pains, and simply doesn't want to put his body through a season if he isn't getting the money he wants. Managed his earnings well, has other priorities driving the decisions.....(speculative on my part)
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Post by joemcrugby on May 7, 2019 10:29:58 GMT -7
The problem with being an Emperor is that you people take everything I say literally. That is actually a wise habit to get into.
My dollar figures are for examples to show formula's and trend patterns.
Yeah, I know he is used to getting big dollars.......but that had to end sometime, and his time is now. It will be interesting to see what he does.
The problem with being a fantasy emperor is the delusional aspect..... Suh might be harboring some aches and pains, and simply doesn't want to put his body through a season if he isn't getting the money he wants. Managed his earnings well, has other priorities driving the decisions.....(speculative on my part) It’s not too speculative in reference to how he has managed his money. Despite his on field reputation, Suh has his head screwed on right, and he’s not going to be one of the way too many who are bankrupt a few years out of the league. My guess is that if nobody comes close to his asking price, he may wait until a potentially contending team has somebody go with a serious injury during the offseason and is desperate for help. That may bump up the offers from where they are now. |
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Post by totallybolted on May 7, 2019 11:20:25 GMT -7
maybe he wants a longer deal than 1 and its not the money?
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