xenos
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Post by xenos on May 11, 2019 14:05:07 GMT -7
The first two picks went almost perfectly. I supposed if we were to play this game then I would trade down to the 2nd and pick up Risner but keep the Nasir pick the same. Then use my extra 3rd that I got in the trade down to pick up Khalen Saunders. Afterwards, I would trade the original Pipkin pick down and try to get an extra 4th and lower pick. Use the 4th to get Hjalte Froholdt, pick Pipkins with the original 4th round pick, and hope that Tranquil is still there in 5th. The remaining picks I would keep the same. So to summarize: 2nd) Risner 2nd) Adderly 3rd) Saunders 4th) Froholdt 4th) Pipkins 5th) Tranquil 6th) Sticks 6th) Egbule 7th) Broughton Sorry, no tradebacks (since there's no way to tell if the trade would have actually gone through). Use actual draft pick positions... use the link I posted. Example: If you really wanted Risner, got to use the #28 pick on him. Also, no picking players after they were actually picked (since there's no way to tell if they actually lasted until a later round/pick). Example: if you really like Pipkins, Tranquill, and Stick, got to use a 3rd, 4th, and 5th on them. Okay, then I guess I will keep everything the same then. Even the Sticks pick is warming up for me.
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Post by frozendisc on May 12, 2019 18:22:34 GMT -7
Rivers is good at getting rid of the ball.......giving him more time will equate to more wins. Of course. I'm just saying it starts at the interior OL. Teams attack the weakness, so it starts with talent. Bolts lack that talent in too many places on the OL...... Remember when MI and Bosa would disappear in games....Teams had no fear of the interior of the Bolt defence, block MI and Bosa, block the others straight up, you are at the second level in a blink. TT best be right on his Tillery pick.....
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Post by xenos on May 13, 2019 16:19:26 GMT -7
Of course. I'm just saying it starts at the interior OL. Teams attack the weakness, so it starts with talent. Bolts lack that talent in too many places on the OL...... Remember when MI and Bosa would disappear in games....Teams had no fear of the interior of the Bolt defence, block MI and Bosa, block the others straight up, you are at the second level in a blink. TT best be right on his Tillery pick..... I don't think you understand what I'm saying. The interior OL is more important than the OTs for a QB like Rivers. You fix that problem and even having two Tevi at both OT position will not be as big of a problem.
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Post by frozendisc on May 13, 2019 19:46:43 GMT -7
Teams attack the weakness, so it starts with talent. Bolts lack that talent in too many places on the OL...... Remember when MI and Bosa would disappear in games....Teams had no fear of the interior of the Bolt defence, block MI and Bosa, block the others straight up, you are at the second level in a blink. TT best be right on his Tillery pick..... I don't think you understand what I'm saying. The interior OL is more important than the OTs for a QB like Rivers. You fix that problem and even having two Tevi at both OT position will not be as big of a problem. Clearly it is best to be awesome at both interior OL and the OT's......but having Tevi at LOT, and somebody worse than Tevi at ROT, it would not matter how good the interior OL was. Teams would just clog the middle up, and then kill Rivers...... I get you prefer to build from the inside out, but I think TT needs to build as they come along. I am hoping Pipkins becomes a solid ROT this year, making it possible he could be the answer at LOT in a couple years. Regardless, TT needs to keep trying....OG's, OC's, OT's......until he has five that are solid.
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Post by boltnut on May 13, 2019 22:43:27 GMT -7
Meanwhile, the Patriots will have 1st rounder Isaiah Wynn ($3 mil/yr), 3rd rounder Yodny Cajuste ($1 mil/yr), and Marcus Cannon ($7 mil/yr) all under contract until 2021. They're spending $5 mil/yr less, for 3 OT's, than we're spending for 31 year-old Okung ($16 mil/yr.)
Doesn't seem like a smart plan.
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Post by boltnut on May 13, 2019 22:44:37 GMT -7
I don't even want 1 Tevi @ot... much less 2...
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Post by frozendisc on May 14, 2019 6:58:54 GMT -7
I think Lamp is a reserve player, if he makes the team. Taylor would be my solution at ROT, and unless Okung took a big drop off, we would be set at OT for the season. I worry about Pouncy, and do not like the OC depth, so I addressed it with Gaillard, whom I really like. I do think OL and DL were weakness', but I also think ILB needed attention. As far as safety goes, I believe they like who they have, but obviously in the real world, TT took that talent found in Adderley, understandably so...... Hmmmm ... if he makes the team. I'll go waaaaaaay out on the limb and will guarantee that Lamp makes the team. Really curious on this take from you Joe..... Do you feel Lamp makes the team because he bounces back, or because his competition to make the team is so weak ?
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Post by totallybolted on May 14, 2019 7:07:09 GMT -7
Hmmmm ... if he makes the team. I'll go waaaaaaay out on the limb and will guarantee that Lamp makes the team. Really curious on this take from you Joe..... Do you feel Lamp makes the team because he bounces back, or because his competition to make the team is so weak ? I'll answer for Joe. Lamp is still on his rookie contract.
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Post by frozendisc on May 14, 2019 7:34:50 GMT -7
I don't even want 1 Tevi @ot... much less 2... I agree, and in my 'Woulda Coulda' draft you saw me take OT right out of the gate. I believe TT has gambled big time with both Okung and Pouncy, gambled in that he has nothing solid behind either player should they be lost for an extended amount of time/games. TT already has a reserve player in Tevi penciled in as starting ROT, which is a failure in my eyes. TT might have, and I stress the 'might', addressed this by drafting Pipkins....but that is clearly no sure thing. I like the pick, have my hopes for the kid, but one must be realistic also, and it is a big jump for him to make. I think Pipkins has more talent than Tevi, but lacks the practical experience found in Tevi. Going to be an interesting TC2019 for both players, hoping AL has an open mind about the rookie.
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Post by frozendisc on May 14, 2019 7:38:37 GMT -7
Really curious on this take from you Joe..... Do you feel Lamp makes the team because he bounces back, or because his competition to make the team is so weak ? I'll answer for Joe. Lamp is still on his rookie contract. I think ELC played a part in the Bolts keeping him around, but no longer. In TC2019, Lamp will need to be a player that is in uniform on game days, at the very least, or he will be released.
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Post by joemcrugby on May 14, 2019 9:48:19 GMT -7
Really curious on this take from you Joe..... Do you feel Lamp makes the team because he bounces back, or because his competition to make the team is so weak ? I'll answer for Joe. Lamp is still on his rookie contract. Lamp makes the team regardless of whether he is starting in 2019 because (1) he can play both tackle and guard, and (2) the Chargers only gain $325K in cap savings if he is released ($1.818 million cap charge if he's on the roster, $1.494 million if he's cut loose). <<Thanks for the assist, TB>> Different story in 2020: If he isn't starting, Lamp would have a $2.1 million cap charge if he's on the roster while the Chargers would only suffer a $700K cap hit if he is released ($1.4 million in cap savings). If Lamp is still a sub in 2019, it's highly likely that he'll be cut loose in 2020 as he would have had a full year's opportunity to go through OTA's, training camp and a full season while healthy for the first time while not showing the ability to progress. www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/forrest-lamp-21779/
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Post by totallybolted on May 14, 2019 10:37:12 GMT -7
I'll answer for Joe. Lamp is still on his rookie contract. Lamp makes the team regardless of whether he is starting in 2019 because (1) he can play both tackle and guard, and (2) the Chargers only gain $325K in cap savings if he is released ($1.818 million cap charge if he's on the roster, $1.494 million if he's cut loose). <<Thanks for the assist, TB>> Different story in 2020: If he isn't starting, Lamp would have a $2.1 million cap charge if he's on the roster while the Chargers would only suffer a $700K cap hit if he is released ($1.4 million in cap savings). If Lamp is still a sub in 2019, it's highly likely that he'll be cut loose in 2020 as he would have had a full year's opportunity to go through OTA's, training camp and a full season while healthy for the first time while not showing the ability to progress. www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/forrest-lamp-21779/ Disc, this is what happens when you mess with me.
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Post by frozendisc on May 14, 2019 10:42:36 GMT -7
I'll answer for Joe. Lamp is still on his rookie contract. Lamp makes the team regardless of whether he is starting in 2019 because (1) he can play both tackle and guard, and (2) the Chargers only gain $325K in cap savings if he is released ($1.818 million cap charge if he's on the roster, $1.494 million if he's cut loose). <<Thanks for the assist, TB>> Different story in 2020: If he isn't starting, Lamp would have a $2.1 million cap charge if he's on the roster while the Chargers would only suffer a $700K cap hit if he is released ($1.4 million in cap savings). If Lamp is still a sub in 2019, it's highly likely that he'll be cut loose in 2020 as he would have had a full year's opportunity to go through OTA's, training camp and a full season while healthy for the first time while not showing the ability to progress. www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/forrest-lamp-21779/ Starting....? Play both OG and OT...? Get real.....he has done neither at the NFL level. It isn't about the money, it is the roster spot. If they determine Lamp isn't going to recover from the ACL enough to amount to equal to the reserve level players he is competing against, he gets released. In other words, if they assess that the talent he had when drafted will never return, it is over.....
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Post by frozendisc on May 14, 2019 10:45:13 GMT -7
Lamp makes the team regardless of whether he is starting in 2019 because (1) he can play both tackle and guard, and (2) the Chargers only gain $325K in cap savings if he is released ($1.818 million cap charge if he's on the roster, $1.494 million if he's cut loose). <<Thanks for the assist, TB>> Different story in 2020: If he isn't starting, Lamp would have a $2.1 million cap charge if he's on the roster while the Chargers would only suffer a $700K cap hit if he is released ($1.4 million in cap savings). If Lamp is still a sub in 2019, it's highly likely that he'll be cut loose in 2020 as he would have had a full year's opportunity to go through OTA's, training camp and a full season while healthy for the first time while not showing the ability to progress. www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/forrest-lamp-21779/Disc, this is what happens when you mess with me. Don't start with me.......I don't have the time to straighten you out. I am off to catch some big fish, see you guys when we get back.
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Post by chargerfreak on May 14, 2019 10:53:07 GMT -7
Meanwhile, the Patriots will have 1st rounder Isaiah Wynn ($3 mil/yr), 3rd rounder Yodny Cajuste ($1 mil/yr), and Marcus Cannon ($7 mil/yr) all under contract until 2021. They're spending $5 mil/yr less, for 3 OT's, than we're spending for 31 year-old Okung ($16 mil/yr.) Doesn't seem like a smart plan. The Pattywhackers like the plan.........
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