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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 21, 2019 3:18:47 GMT -7
Thank you for revisiting 1965 for us. including 4 HOFers (one being Joiner). Super Bowl MVP Doug Williams was #1 pick in the draft. The surprise ending dude from my post in the Off Topic forum who just signed a $32 million contract in Indy is a 3rd year undrafted free agent from Voldosta State. The guy whom you lament being allowed to walk was an undrafted free agent from Western Oregon. In 100 years ? Alabama calls that a freaking bad March.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 21, 2019 3:27:48 GMT -7
Thank you for revisiting 1965 for us. Over 100 NFL players have hailed from Grambling, including 4 HOFers (one being Joiner). Super Bowl MVP Doug Williams was #1 pick in the draft. The surprise ending dude from my post in the Off Topic forum who just signed a $32 million contract in Indy is a 3rd year undrafted free agent from Voldosta State.The guy whom you lament being allowed to walk was an undrafted free agent from Western Oregon. Ok. We are just making stuff up now. Sure it was fun tricking Freak into thinking Sioux Falls actually existed, but I won't be fooled again.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 21, 2019 3:29:37 GMT -7
Thank you for revisiting 1965 for us. On the other hand, the worst pick ever by the Bolts came from a Pac 10 school. and.......Roo gets 51 Bolts for not mentioning the name that we do not use.......................
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Post by frozendisc on Jun 21, 2019 8:11:19 GMT -7
We were in upper half of NFL at all meaningful OL stats last year and it's a new year. It's not too optimistic to expect some improvement among the 2nd-3rd year players. Let 'em go through training camp, scrimmage with NO, LAR, play some preseason games. Judge them by what they do. Last year is over. Not according to this article....... "The Chargers’ offense was a top-10 unit in nearly all phases in 2018 except in two categories: pass-blocking and run-blocking. As a team, the Bolts ranked 31st in team pass-blocking grade at 62.0, 30th in team pass-blocking efficiency at 80.9 and 17th in run-blocking grade at 58.4. In other words, the Chargers’ offensive line was abysmal in 2018. Outside of left tackle Russell Okung, who recorded a 78.5 overall grade ranking eighth at his respective position, no other offensive lineman was able to crack the top 25 at their position in overall grade. Left guard Dan Feeney ranked 35th (45.5), center Mike Pouncey ranked 26th (56.8), right guard Michael Schofield III ranked 27th (61.5) and right tackle Sam Tevi ranked 38th (52.1)." What exactly is the OL supposed to be doing if they are not 'run blocking' or 'pass blocking'?
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Post by headtrip on Jun 21, 2019 8:52:32 GMT -7
We were in upper half of NFL at all meaningful OL stats last year and it's a new year. It's not too optimistic to expect some improvement among the 2nd-3rd year players. Let 'em go through training camp, scrimmage with NO, LAR, play some preseason games. Judge them by what they do. Last year is over. Not according to this article....... "The Chargers’ offense was a top-10 unit in nearly all phases in 2018 except in two categories: pass-blocking and run-blocking. As a team, the Bolts ranked 31st in team pass-blocking grade at 62.0, 30th in team pass-blocking efficiency at 80.9 and 17th in run-blocking grade at 58.4. In other words, the Chargers’ offensive line was abysmal in 2018. Outside of left tackle Russell Okung, who recorded a 78.5 overall grade ranking eighth at his respective position, no other offensive lineman was able to crack the top 25 at their position in overall grade. Left guard Dan Feeney ranked 35th (45.5), center Mike Pouncey ranked 26th (56.8), right guard Michael Schofield III ranked 27th (61.5) and right tackle Sam Tevi ranked 38th (52.1)." What exactly is the OL supposed to be doing if they are not 'run blocking' or 'pass blocking'? I hear they have excellent Bbq's. |
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Post by sonorajim on Jun 21, 2019 14:34:40 GMT -7
We were in upper half of NFL at all meaningful OL stats last year and it's a new year. It's not too optimistic to expect some improvement among the 2nd-3rd year players. Let 'em go through training camp, scrimmage with NO, LAR, play some preseason games. Judge them by what they do. Last year is over. Not according to this article....... "The Chargers’ offense was a top-10 unit in nearly all phases in 2018 except in two categories: pass-blocking and run-blocking. As a team, the Bolts ranked 31st in team pass-blocking grade at 62.0, 30th in team pass-blocking efficiency at 80.9 and 17th in run-blocking grade at 58.4. In other words, the Chargers’ offensive line was abysmal in 2018. Outside of left tackle Russell Okung, who recorded a 78.5 overall grade ranking eighth at his respective position, no other offensive lineman was able to crack the top 25 at their position in overall grade. Left guard Dan Feeney ranked 35th (45.5), center Mike Pouncey ranked 26th (56.8), right guard Michael Schofield III ranked 27th (61.5) and right tackle Sam Tevi ranked 38th (52.1)."
What exactly is the OL supposed to be doing if they are not 'run blocking' or 'pass blocking'? Good question! And if they are not blocking, how amazing are our offensive stats? per NFL.com : Passing TDs #8 Comp % #7 passer rating #5 yds per catch #3 sacks allowed #11 fewest
QB hits #14 fewest
Rushing TDs #7 yds per carry #7 % 1st #12
I have to assume PFF stats are based on individual style points. There obviously is room for improvement, we weren't best at anything but unit production was OK in the 2nd year in this offense. I'm looking forward to yr 3.
ps: last year is still over.
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Post by headtrip on Jun 22, 2019 0:04:23 GMT -7
Not according to this article....... "The Chargers’ offense was a top-10 unit in nearly all phases in 2018 except in two categories: pass-blocking and run-blocking. As a team, the Bolts ranked 31st in team pass-blocking grade at 62.0, 30th in team pass-blocking efficiency at 80.9 and 17th in run-blocking grade at 58.4. In other words, the Chargers’ offensive line was abysmal in 2018. Outside of left tackle Russell Okung, who recorded a 78.5 overall grade ranking eighth at his respective position, no other offensive lineman was able to crack the top 25 at their position in overall grade. Left guard Dan Feeney ranked 35th (45.5), center Mike Pouncey ranked 26th (56.8), right guard Michael Schofield III ranked 27th (61.5) and right tackle Sam Tevi ranked 38th (52.1)."
What exactly is the OL supposed to be doing if they are not 'run blocking' or 'pass blocking'?Good question! And if they are not blocking, how amazing are our offensive stats? per NFL.com : Passing TDs #8 Comp % #7 passer rating #5 yds per catch #3 sacks allowed #11 fewest
QB hits #14 fewest
Rushing TDs #7 yds per carry #7 % 1st #12
I have to assume PFF stats are based on individual style points. There obviously is room for improvement, we weren't best at anything but unit production was OK in the 2nd year in this offense. I'm looking forward to yr 3.
ps: last year is still over.
HOF QB, Probowl RB, Probowl WR, Mike Williams and Austin Ekler, great defense keeping the offense out of bad situations. That's how you get an effective offense with a bad Oline. |
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Post by sonorajim on Jun 22, 2019 11:00:29 GMT -7
Good question! And if they are not blocking, how amazing are our offensive stats? per NFL.com : Passing TDs #8 Comp % #7 passer rating #5 yds per catch #3 sacks allowed #11 fewest
QB hits #14 fewest
Rushing TDs #7 yds per carry #7 % 1st #12
I have to assume PFF stats are based on individual style points. There obviously is room for improvement, we weren't best at anything but unit production was OK in the 2nd year in this offense. I'm looking forward to yr 3.
ps: last year is still over.
HOF QB, Probowl RB, Probowl WR, Mike Williams and Austin Ekler, great defense keeping the offense out of bad situations. That's how you get an effective offense with a bad Oline. Allegedly bad OL. Based on what, I'm not sure. They met the LAC offense's needs more often than not. I don't care how fabulously gifted the "skill" guys are, you cannot get those stats using the blocking sleds. That said, there is room for improvement. Year 2-3 for this OL unit, particularly but not exclusively the young OL should look better in style points as well as getting the job done as well or better for an improved skill group.
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Post by joemcrugby on Jun 22, 2019 11:16:49 GMT -7
Over 100 NFL players have hailed from Grambling, including 4 HOFers (one being Joiner). Super Bowl MVP Doug Williams was #1 pick in the draft. The surprise ending dude from my post in the Off Topic forum who just signed a $32 million contract in Indy is a 3rd year undrafted free agent from Voldosta State. The guy whom you lament being allowed to walk was an undrafted free agent from Western Oregon. In 100 years ? Alabama calls that a freaking bad March. That’s 100 more than you acknowledge when you contemptuously dismiss a player based solely on his college program that over the past 70 years is in the Top 20 for college alumni in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Perhaps if Scott was from Western Oregon ... |
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Post by moekid on Jun 22, 2019 11:45:36 GMT -7
In 100 years ? Alabama calls that a freaking bad March. That’s 100 more than you acknowledge when you contemptuously dismiss a player based solely on his college program that over the past 70 years is in the Top 20 for college alumni in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Perhaps if Scott was from Western Oregon ... One thing to remember about grambling is that it was the #1 choice for a lot of black players in the 60’s and the coach, whose name escapes me, kept that legacy going for a while. Even later I’m not sure a black qb like Doug Williams had many choices. |
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Post by joemcrugby on Jun 22, 2019 11:54:32 GMT -7
That’s 100 more than you acknowledge when you contemptuously dismiss a player based solely on his college program that over the past 70 years is in the Top 20 for college alumni in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Perhaps if Scott was from Western Oregon ... One thing to remember about grambling is that it was the #1 choice for a lot of black players in the 60’s and the coach, whose name escapes me, kept that legacy going for a while. Even later I’m not sure a black qb like Doug Williams had many choices. Without question, it’s not the same as back in the day when black athletes in the south didn’t have many options. Bobby Beathard built his HOF career by mining that talent before the combine hit the NFL. Having said that, it is a fool’s game to preemptively dismiss a young player based on his school affiliation. After all, a couple of the great moments in Chargers history featured a QB from NE Louisiana, a TE from Weber State and a WR from Mesa State College. |
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Post by headtrip on Jun 22, 2019 23:30:32 GMT -7
HOF QB, Probowl RB, Probowl WR, Mike Williams and Austin Ekler, great defense keeping the offense out of bad situations. That's how you get an effective offense with a bad Oline. Allegedly bad OL. Based on what, I'm not sure. They met the LAC offense's needs more often than not. I don't care how fabulously gifted the "skill" guys are, you cannot get those stats using the blocking sleds. That said, there is room for improvement. Year 2-3 for this OL unit, particularly but not exclusively the young OL should look better in style points as well as getting the job done as well or better for an improved skill group.
I think saying the line was anything better than below average discredits what the rest of the team did. Except TWill, he stunk with the smelliest of linemen. |
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Post by chargerfreak on Jun 23, 2019 4:12:41 GMT -7
One thing to remember about grambling is that it was the #1 choice for a lot of black players in the 60’s and the coach, whose name escapes me, kept that legacy going for a while. Even later I’m not sure a black qb like Doug Williams had many choices. Without question, it’s not the same as back in the day when black athletes in the south didn’t have many options. Bobby Beathard built his HOF career by mining that talent before the combine hit the NFL. Having said that, it is a fool’s game to preemptively dismiss a young player based on his school affiliation. After all, a couple of the great moments in Chargers history featured a QB from NE Louisiana, a TE from Weber State and a WR from Mesa State College. Is it a fool's game to do that, or a fool's game to be duped into believing I really feel that way and take it SO seriously ? Lighten up. Buy a Sioux Falls t-shirt or something. Sheesh o man.
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Post by totallybolted on Jun 23, 2019 8:28:20 GMT -7
Without question, it’s not the same as back in the day when black athletes in the south didn’t have many options. Bobby Beathard built his HOF career by mining that talent before the combine hit the NFL. Having said that, it is a fool’s game to preemptively dismiss a young player based on his school affiliation. After all, a couple of the great moments in Chargers history featured a QB from NE Louisiana, a TE from Weber State and a WR from Mesa State College. Is it a fool's game to do that, or a fool's game to be duped into believing I really feel that way and take it SO seriously ? Lighten up. Buy a Sioux Falls t-shirt or something. Sheesh o man. Who? in their right mind, can ever take Freak seriously? Wouldn't be anyone from Canada...could it?
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Post by sonorajim on Jun 23, 2019 9:25:51 GMT -7
Allegedly bad OL. Based on what, I'm not sure. They met the LAC offense's needs more often than not. I don't care how fabulously gifted the "skill" guys are, you cannot get those stats using the blocking sleds. That said, there is room for improvement. Year 2-3 for this OL unit, particularly but not exclusively the young OL should look better in style points as well as getting the job done as well or better for an improved skill group.
I think saying the line was anything better than below average discredits what the rest of the team did. Except TWill, he stunk with the smelliest of linemen.
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