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Post by frozendisc on May 4, 2021 20:10:32 GMT -7
Health would need to be found in all five starters, and even then top ten seems difficult to believe. They were dead last, how many ticks did they improve in your opinion? Top 20? Maybe top 15? It’s scary to think what herbert did with that line last year AND he was a really raw rook, the kid had never even taken snaps under center in college. Now he might have a serviceable running game. Herbert off play action that defenses bite on, that is going to be fun to watch... I am hopeful of being right around 15th.....lose Linsley, and it could fall below 20th. I worry about the right side, with Aboushi not being as good as expected, and Bulaga being injured more than not. If they stay healthy across the entire front five, the right side might be the weaker side, but they will still be serviceable. Herbert had a heck of a first year, it would not be unreasonable to expect a step back, as it will be quite difficult to replicate that year. Add in clubs will have tape on Herbert, and they will adjust. The part working in Herbert's favour is the new coaching staff......no opponent has a true idea what they will bring. Improved OL play creating a successful running attack will make Herbert deadly in the passing attack. Should be fun.....please stay healthy, eh?
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Post by fouts2herbert on May 4, 2021 20:43:16 GMT -7
They were dead last, how many ticks did they improve in your opinion? Top 20? Maybe top 15? It’s scary to think what herbert did with that line last year AND he was a really raw rook, the kid had never even taken snaps under center in college. Now he might have a serviceable running game. Herbert off play action that defenses bite on, that is going to be fun to watch... I am hopeful of being right around 15th.....lose Linsley, and it could fall below 20th. I worry about the right side, with Aboushi not being as good as expected, and Bulaga being injured more than not. If they stay healthy across the entire front five, the right side might be the weaker side, but they will still be serviceable. Herbert had a heck of a first year, it would not be unreasonable to expect a step back, as it will be quite difficult to replicate that year. Add in clubs will have tape on Herbert, and they will adjust. The part working in Herbert's favour is the new coaching staff......no opponent has a true idea what they will bring. Improved OL play creating a successful running attack will make Herbert deadly in the passing attack. Should be fun.....please stay healthy, eh? I think herbert is one of those guys that might transcend the “teams have tape on him now” thing because so much of what he did was off script. Plus he’s still adding nuance to his reads, his cadence, and his pocket presence. How do teams prepare for that? They haven’t seen it all come together yet. And he can make broken plays into huge chunk plays and I’m not sure teams will have an answer for that. Add a better offensive line, a year of nfl experience under his belt, and a better coaching situation... Last year you could tell he hit a rookie wall towards the end of the year and he still managed to produce 3 straight game winning drives. That experience was invaluable because it gave him a taste for how to close out games.
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Post by frozendisc on May 5, 2021 7:17:32 GMT -7
I am hopeful of being right around 15th.....lose Linsley, and it could fall below 20th. I worry about the right side, with Aboushi not being as good as expected, and Bulaga being injured more than not. If they stay healthy across the entire front five, the right side might be the weaker side, but they will still be serviceable. Herbert had a heck of a first year, it would not be unreasonable to expect a step back, as it will be quite difficult to replicate that year. Add in clubs will have tape on Herbert, and they will adjust. The part working in Herbert's favour is the new coaching staff......no opponent has a true idea what they will bring. Improved OL play creating a successful running attack will make Herbert deadly in the passing attack. Should be fun.....please stay healthy, eh? I think herbert is one of those guys that might transcend the “teams have tape on him now” thing because so much of what he did was off script. Plus he’s still adding nuance to his reads, his cadence, and his pocket presence. How do teams prepare for that? They haven’t seen it all come together yet. And he can make broken plays into huge chunk plays and I’m not sure teams will have an answer for that. Add a better offensive line, a year of nfl experience under his belt, and a better coaching situation... Last year you could tell he hit a rookie wall towards the end of the year and he still managed to produce 3 straight game winning drives. That experience was invaluable because it gave him a taste for how to close out games. The analytics will show Herbert's preferences in his reactions to differing situations, and that helps defences to a degree. no sure things...just preferences. An example might be: Herbert gets flushed out of the pocket to his right, the preference is he throws back to the middle, so the CB or S might lay back just a bit to bait Herbert into that throw. Herbert is a very talented player, and while preferences are difficult to avoid, the really talented players learn their own preferences and take steps to mitigate them as much as possible. Add a better offensive line, Everyone is hoping this proves true, a year of nfl experience under his belt, Defences have a year of tape and a better coaching situation... This last one is the one that will create to big impact I believe.
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Post by sonorajim on May 5, 2021 10:33:22 GMT -7
Herbert's talent isn't going away in '21 based on any NFL issues. If his mind & body are right, he will be as good or better. We know that OL is superior. We know, and Herbert knows he has quality receivers. Staley has alleged that Herbert's input will an important consideration in gameplan and playcalling.
It may be that a stat like pass attempts per game, or some such goes down but W's^ will be up.
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Post by fouts2herbert on May 5, 2021 12:14:55 GMT -7
Herbert's talent isn't going away in '21 based on any NFL issues. If his mind & body are right, he will be as good or better. We know that OL is superior. We know, and Herbert knows he has quality receivers. Staley has alleged that Herbert's input will an important consideration in gameplan and playcalling. It may be that a stat like pass attempts per game, or some such goes down but W's^ will be up. And that’s how I feel, I could care less about his stats dropping, he’s going to win, I just know it, this kid is really really special.
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Post by frozendisc on May 5, 2021 13:27:54 GMT -7
Herbert's talent isn't going away in '21 based on any NFL issues. If his mind & body are right, he will be as good or better. We know that OL is superior. We know, and Herbert knows he has quality receivers. Staley has alleged that Herbert's input will an important consideration in gameplan and playcalling. It may be that a stat like pass attempts per game, or some such goes down but W's^ will be up. A regression in statistics such as pass attempts is likely if the running game is sound, and completely acceptable. If completions % goes down, might be concerning, as would be if interceptions went up. I get Herbert's talent is not going away, but give some credit to the opposing talent, they are pro's as well. Opposing clubs will adjust, it is not going to be easy. Having a great first year, that second year always seems so much more difficult. I agree, wins should be going up. How many more is hard to say, need to see what Staley builds first, and how things run. 10 wins seems well within reach, hoping for even more!
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Post by totallybolted on May 5, 2021 13:56:01 GMT -7
I am hopeful of being right around 15th.....lose Linsley, and it could fall below 20th. I worry about the right side, with Aboushi not being as good as expected, and Bulaga being injured more than not. If they stay healthy across the entire front five, the right side might be the weaker side, but they will still be serviceable. Herbert had a heck of a first year, it would not be unreasonable to expect a step back, as it will be quite difficult to replicate that year. Add in clubs will have tape on Herbert, and they will adjust. The part working in Herbert's favour is the new coaching staff......no opponent has a true idea what they will bring. Improved OL play creating a successful running attack will make Herbert deadly in the passing attack. Should be fun.....please stay healthy, eh? I think herbert is one of those guys that might transcend the “teams have tape on him now” thing because so much of what he did was off script. Plus he’s still adding nuance to his reads, his cadence, and his pocket presence. How do teams prepare for that? They haven’t seen it all come together yet. And he can make broken plays into huge chunk plays and I’m not sure teams will have an answer for that. Add a better offensive line, a year of nfl experience under his belt, and a better coaching situation... Last year you could tell he hit a rookie wall towards the end of the year and he still managed to produce 3 straight game winning drives. That experience was invaluable because it gave him a taste for how to close out games. Totally agree with this. Was thinking the same thing while reading the post you replied to. Mahommes is good example.
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Post by frozendisc on May 24, 2021 9:43:54 GMT -7
With the off season efforts pretty much behind us, and ostensibly much improvement in the OL group, my question is how do you guys view this OL group? Are they a 'run' OL, or a 'pass' OL?
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Post by sonorajim on May 24, 2021 10:45:23 GMT -7
With the off season efforts pretty much behind us, and ostensibly much improvement in the OL group, my question is how do you guys view this OL group? Are they a 'run' OL, or a 'pass' OL? First, let's assume everyone is healthy. Probability is that one or more will get dinged but without knowing who or when, go with the above.
That said, Both.
Pass pro improves with Linsley's OL calls, vets handling stunts, Slater's talent. Run blocking may be the most improved. Feiler is a 6-6, 330 beast and his wingmen are a top Pro C and the very powerful, athletic Slater.
Coaching, playcalling are not the same that lost 7 one score games or 45 - 0.
The offense appears to have been well set. Let's play!!
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Post by frozendisc on May 24, 2021 11:25:39 GMT -7
With the off season efforts pretty much behind us, and ostensibly much improvement in the OL group, my question is how do you guys view this OL group? Are they a 'run' OL, or a 'pass' OL? First, let's assume everyone is healthy. Probability is that one or more will get dinged but without knowing who or when, go with the above.
That said, Both.
Pass pro improves with Linsley's OL calls, vets handling stunts, Slater's talent. Run blocking may be the most improved. Feiler is a 6-6, 330 beast and his wingmen are a top Pro C and the very powerful, athletic Slater.
Coaching, playcalling are not the same that lost 7 one score games or 45 - 0.
The offense appears to have been well set. Let's play!!
While I pretty much agree on your analysis, or evaluation if you prefer, my question is unanswered. You are straddling the fence.......pick a side....run or pass?
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Post by sdc on May 24, 2021 11:37:28 GMT -7
First, let's assume everyone is healthy. Probability is that one or more will get dinged but without knowing who or when, go with the above.
That said, Both.
Pass pro improves with Linsley's OL calls, vets handling stunts, Slater's talent. Run blocking may be the most improved. Feiler is a 6-6, 330 beast and his wingmen are a top Pro C and the very powerful, athletic Slater.
Coaching, playcalling are not the same that lost 7 one score games or 45 - 0.
The offense appears to have been well set. Let's play!!
While I pretty much agree on your analysis, or evaluation if you prefer, my question is unanswered. You are straddling the fence.......pick a side....run or pass? Since there are only a few "Run OL's" in the NFL and they feature elite backs or Lamar Jackson, I'm going to go with "Pass OL". Most teams including the the 4 that played in the AFC/NFC Championship generate most of their offense through the passing game. GB was the only one that you would consider balanced. Great question though.
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Post by boltnut on May 24, 2021 12:39:08 GMT -7
With the off season efforts pretty much behind us, and ostensibly much improvement in the OL group, my question is how do you guys view this OL group? Are they a 'run' OL, or a 'pass' OL? I'd say they're a "passing OL". Slater will be a big upgrade over Tevi. And the interior will be much better than Feeney, Lamp, and who ever was rotating in @rg last year. The IOL was really bad at picking up stunts. Having said that, they will show their greatest improvement in the run game.
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Post by sonorajim on May 24, 2021 17:32:51 GMT -7
First, let's assume everyone is healthy. Probability is that one or more will get dinged but without knowing who or when, go with the above.
That said, Both.
Pass pro improves with Linsley's OL calls, vets handling stunts, Slater's talent. Run blocking may be the most improved. Feiler is a 6-6, 330 beast and his wingmen are a top Pro C and the very powerful, athletic Slater.
Coaching, playcalling are not the same that lost 7 one score games or 45 - 0.
The offense appears to have been well set. Let's play!!
While I pretty much agree on your analysis, or evaluation if you prefer, my question is unanswered. You are straddling the fence.......pick a side....run or pass? Pass. We'll run because we can, mostly to set up the pass.
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Post by chargerfreak on May 25, 2021 2:12:30 GMT -7
First, let's assume everyone is healthy. Probability is that one or more will get dinged but without knowing who or when, go with the above.
That said, Both.
Pass pro improves with Linsley's OL calls, vets handling stunts, Slater's talent. Run blocking may be the most improved. Feiler is a 6-6, 330 beast and his wingmen are a top Pro C and the very powerful, athletic Slater.
Coaching, playcalling are not the same that lost 7 one score games or 45 - 0.
The offense appears to have been well set. Let's play!!
While I pretty much agree on your analysis, or evaluation if you prefer, my question is unanswered. You are straddling the fence.......pick a side....run or pass? At least your unhealthy addiction to the OL has finally brought about a great question. Well done. Don't let these posters get off cheap either. They are smart about our Chargers and they are cheating their answers. "Both" is an obvious answer. Make them pick a side like you did with sonorajim. They are also using the the cheap out: "It's a passing league so I will say pass protection." They gotta do better than that.
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Post by chargerfreak on May 25, 2021 2:21:32 GMT -7
While I pretty much agree on your analysis, or evaluation if you prefer, my question is unanswered. You are straddling the fence.......pick a side....run or pass? Most teams including the the 4 that played in the AFC/NFC Championship generate most of their offense through the passing game. GB was the only one that you would consider balanced. Great question though. This is actually getting nominated POTD. Just a terrific answer.
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