xenos
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Post by xenos on May 20, 2019 20:56:23 GMT -7
There's a lot of things that could go wrong. Based on everything that has happened this offseason, the FO and coaching staff obviously feel strongly enough about both Lamp and Tevi to not get more OL help. We'll just have to trust that they're right. Obviously, Lamp's injury did not yet sap him of his physical talent like you believed You know Lamp is going to be what exactly ? Yea, you don't know, you are hoping. I have said it for quite some time now, TC 2019 will decide Lamp's future as a player. I say he is a reserve, at best, with being released outright a possibility. Do I know this, nope.....simply a guess. If he gets outright released then the FO and coaching staff really painted themselves into a corner then. Could have gotten Risner then.
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Post by boltnut on May 20, 2019 23:32:05 GMT -7
Boltnut, you should join nmpatsfan (formerly nmchargersfan) over on the Pats board where you guys can salivate together. No one hates praising the Patriots more than me. But if you want to win a super bowl... you will have to go through NE. Know thy enemy. Patriots are building a team the exact way everyone says you shouldn't... drafting OL from the outside in. No dominant 3-tech to push the pocket... rather they are employing run-stuffing DT's. Most of their LB's are 250+. Know their strengths and weaknesses... they certainly know ours...
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Post by boltnut on May 20, 2019 23:35:38 GMT -7
Someone will need to notify BB. They look to be changing to a 4-3 and have Adam Butler (undrafted), David Parry (5th round, waived multiple times), Mike Pennel (undrafted 330 lb fatty), and 7th round Lawrence Guy (remember him) as their DT's. Maybe they didn't get the memo... Not only that, but it appears they wasted their 2018 first round pick on an outdated LT. Silly Billy!<iframe style="position: absolute; width: 24.200000000000045px; height: 3.8799999999999955px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_43204250" scrolling="no" width="24.200000000000045" height="3.8799999999999955"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1149px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_89840666" scrolling="no" width="24.200000000000045" height="3.8799999999999955"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 134px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_16250356" scrolling="no" width="24.200000000000045" height="3.8799999999999955"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1149px; top: 134px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_58229408" scrolling="no" width="24.200000000000045" height="3.8799999999999955"></iframe> Are you sure they drafted an LT Boltnut? Would he be the first 6'3 LT in the NFL? He also has arms shorter than 34". But have you seen his feet...?
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Post by boltnut on May 20, 2019 23:44:05 GMT -7
You know Lamp is going to be what exactly ? Yea, you don't know, you are hoping. I have said it for quite some time now, TC 2019 will decide Lamp's future as a player. I say he is a reserve, at best, with being released outright a possibility. Do I know this, nope.....simply a guess. Your posts are like a flu virus or something. I recommend quarantine Your posts are like cotton candy... sugary, spun with hot air, and wrapped in a bag.
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Post by chargerfreak on May 21, 2019 3:13:43 GMT -7
Blood bath, I tell you, blood bath! And they added WR N'Keal Harry in the 1st round. CB Joujuan Williams in the 2nd round. Passing league...? And the 3rd round is my favorite... Edge Chase Winovich, RB Damian Harris, OT (yes, OT) Yodny Cajuste... as a back-up! Passing league...? Wow! I'd be watching the Patriots' waiver wire this TC... Oh you cursed pattywhackers !!!!!!!!!!!!! We triple despise you !!!!! Sneaky devils !!!!
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Post by chargerfreak on May 21, 2019 3:21:06 GMT -7
At least Pat Meyer said what I have been telling you guys forever.............Lamp is a Guard. Guard guard guard. When do you listen to me ?
Pat knows what I know, if Lamp gets OT time, we are in bad shape. Its not that he can't learn it and play, its not his strength at the NFL level. Its like Travis Benjamin can play running back, is that who you want back there for 4 quarters ?
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Post by chargerfreak on May 21, 2019 3:23:17 GMT -7
Your posts are like a flu virus or something. I recommend quarantine Your posts are like cotton candy... sugary, spun with hot air, and wrapped in a bag. Sugary ?
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Post by frozendisc on May 21, 2019 6:14:23 GMT -7
At least Pat Meyer said what I have been telling you guys forever.............Lamp is a Guard. Guard guard guard. When do you listen to me ? Pat knows what I know, if Lamp gets OT time, we are in bad shape. Its not that he can't learn it and play, its not his strength at the NFL level. Its like Travis Benjamin can play running back, is that who you want back there for 4 quarters ? Lamp's current strength at the NFL level is rehabbing and watching........
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Post by Chargeroo on May 21, 2019 8:53:58 GMT -7
<iframe style="position: absolute; width: 24.200000000000045px; height: 3.8799999999999955px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_43204250" scrolling="no" width="24.200000000000045" height="3.8799999999999955"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1149px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_89840666" scrolling="no" width="24.200000000000045" height="3.8799999999999955"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 134px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_16250356" scrolling="no" width="24.200000000000045" height="3.8799999999999955"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1149px; top: 134px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_58229408" scrolling="no" width="24.200000000000045" height="3.8799999999999955"></iframe> Are you sure they drafted an LT Boltnut? Would he be the first 6'3 LT in the NFL? He also has arms shorter than 34". But have you seen his feet...? His name is Isaiah Wynn and he's really good. I was hoping the Bolts would take him. He's not tall enough and his arms are too short. - But, he sure can play. Guess he doesn't know he's not tall enough and his arms are too short.
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Post by moekid on May 21, 2019 9:19:00 GMT -7
Boltnut, you should join nmpatsfan (formerly nmchargersfan) over on the Pats board where you guys can salivate together. No one hates praising the Patriots more than me. But if you want to win a super bowl... you will have to go through NE. Know thy enemy. Patriots are building a team the exact way everyone says you shouldn't... drafting OL from the outside in. No dominant 3-tech to push the pocket... rather they are employing run-stuffing DT's. Most of their LB's are 250+. Know their strengths and weaknesses... they certainly know ours... The Patriots are unicorns. Was it Xenos who posted that shape shifter piece? They can beat you in many different ways and change the way they play based on the opponent. You could duplicate their drafts but unless you also have Belichick it probably won't matter. It's much more than the individual players with the Pats, with Brady being possibly the sole exception (although they went 11-5 the season he was out but missed the playoffs).
Teams that have beaten them seem to out-physical them at the LOS and take away the quick hitters Brady loves. The Giants in 2 Super Bowls, the teams you named from last season.
Edit: I see they brought back Jamie Collins. He was a budding star with NE went elsewhere to get paid and underwhelmed. Just another guy who played much much better on the Pats than he did elsewhere.
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Post by frozendisc on May 21, 2019 9:42:57 GMT -7
No one hates praising the Patriots more than me. But if you want to win a super bowl... you will have to go through NE. Know thy enemy. Patriots are building a team the exact way everyone says you shouldn't... drafting OL from the outside in. No dominant 3-tech to push the pocket... rather they are employing run-stuffing DT's. Most of their LB's are 250+. Know their strengths and weaknesses... they certainly know ours... The Patriots are unicorns. Was it Xenos who posted that shape shifter piece? They can beat you in many different ways and change the way they play based on the opponent. You could duplicate their drafts but unless you also have Belichick it probably won't matter. It's much more than the individual players with the Pats, with Brady being possibly the sole exception (although they went 11-5 the season he was out but missed the playoffs).
Teams that have beaten them seem to out-physical them at the LOS and take away the quick hitters Brady loves. The Giants in 2 Super Bowls, the teams you named from last season.
Edit: I see they brought back Jamie Collins. He was a budding star with NE went elsewhere to get paid and underwhelmed. Just another guy who played much much better on the Pats than he did elsewhere.
So is it system, or coaching.......
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Post by moekid on May 21, 2019 10:55:38 GMT -7
The Patriots are unicorns. Was it Xenos who posted that shape shifter piece? They can beat you in many different ways and change the way they play based on the opponent. You could duplicate their drafts but unless you also have Belichick it probably won't matter. It's much more than the individual players with the Pats, with Brady being possibly the sole exception (although they went 11-5 the season he was out but missed the playoffs).
Teams that have beaten them seem to out-physical them at the LOS and take away the quick hitters Brady loves. The Giants in 2 Super Bowls, the teams you named from last season.
Edit: I see they brought back Jamie Collins. He was a budding star with NE went elsewhere to get paid and underwhelmed. Just another guy who played much much better on the Pats than he did elsewhere.
So is it system, or coaching....... That's a distinction without a difference. The system comes from the coach.
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Post by sonorajim on May 21, 2019 16:08:24 GMT -7
The 2000 Ravens 10.3 ppg avg D cruised to a Lombardi with the 14th best scoring offense. I don't think we are quite at that level, we're a much better offense. Could be that the 2019 LAC offense will benefit significantly from our defensive takeaways. We appear to be elite as a DB group. ps: In Lynn's 1st year we lead the NFL in fewest sacks allowed. Not sure why we took more sacks yr 2. Not a good look for AL, Whis, Meyer or Pouncey but it should be correctable...unless releasing Pulley, Wiggins & Barksdale is the problem.
Bolts might be on a similar track as those 2000 Ravens. I agree, Bolts have a better offence, yet we have seen Rivers and company go cold as it can get, so losing a defensive battle 7-3 isn't out of the realm of possibility. The offence will see an increase in possessions I believe, what they do with them is anybody's guess. Releasing Pulley, Wiggins & Barksdale was a needed move.....you are not winning squat with them playing. Pipkins was a shrewd pick, just watch..... A 3-7 loss seems very unlikely, 10 pts has been our lowest score in the A Lynn era BUT it is theoretically possible. Special teams can help by avoiding leaving us with lousy field position. The ever popular block-in-the-back needs to be eliminated on our returns. Solid directional punting, hang time. Lane discipline, tackling on coverage units. Protect the Money Badger. Get some takeaways. We're good for 3 at least anytime we're inside their 30. I believe we'll avg @ 25 pts with no game under 13. I'd guess a higher ppg avg if I did not suspect that we will run to burn clock frequently.
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Post by boltnut on May 21, 2019 16:29:02 GMT -7
The Patriots are unicorns. Was it Xenos who posted that shape shifter piece? They can beat you in many different ways and change the way they play based on the opponent. You could duplicate their drafts but unless you also have Belichick it probably won't matter. It's much more than the individual players with the Pats, with Brady being possibly the sole exception (although they went 11-5 the season he was out but missed the playoffs).
Teams that have beaten them seem to out-physical them at the LOS and take away the quick hitters Brady loves. The Giants in 2 Super Bowls, the teams you named from last season.
Edit: I see they brought back Jamie Collins. He was a budding star with NE went elsewhere to get paid and underwhelmed. Just another guy who played much much better on the Pats than he did elsewhere.
So is it system, or coaching....... It's everything. It's system, coaching, and players. And it starts with situational football. Given different down/distance... the system changes. It takes coaching to recognize the system needs for that particular situation and get them ready to fill that particular role... 3-4 vs 4-3, pass rushers vs run stoppers. And then you have to have the players to fit those various system needs. Look at each position on defense. Various skills/sizes along the DL and LB's. And they put a premium on DB's that can cover. We have DL that is better against the pass than the run (now that Tillery is here and Luiget is gone). We have smallish LB's that are better pass defenders than run stoppers. We will be weak against the run this year. On offense, our OL is suited to run but is weak in pass blocking. Meanwhile, the Patriots have OL that is good at both pass blocking and run blocking. Makes them more balanced on offense and harder to defend. The one thing that often goes un-noticed is the fact that they finish in the top-10 in run attempts almost every year. Their run game compliments their passing game. Just look at their offensive picks this year. WR in the 1st. RB and OT in the 3rd. OG in the 4th. They place a premium on their OL and make sure that, even during injury, their OL positions are deep and versatile. OL is the engine that makes the whole offense go.
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xenos
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Post by xenos on May 21, 2019 16:31:20 GMT -7
No one hates praising the Patriots more than me. But if you want to win a super bowl... you will have to go through NE. Know thy enemy. Patriots are building a team the exact way everyone says you shouldn't... drafting OL from the outside in. No dominant 3-tech to push the pocket... rather they are employing run-stuffing DT's. Most of their LB's are 250+. Know their strengths and weaknesses... they certainly know ours... The Patriots are unicorns. Was it Xenos who posted that shape shifter piece? They can beat you in many different ways and change the way they play based on the opponent. You could duplicate their drafts but unless you also have Belichick it probably won't matter. It's much more than the individual players with the Pats, with Brady being possibly the sole exception (although they went 11-5 the season he was out but missed the playoffs).
Teams that have beaten them seem to out-physical them at the LOS and take away the quick hitters Brady loves. The Giants in 2 Super Bowls, the teams you named from last season.
Edit: I see they brought back Jamie Collins. He was a budding star with NE went elsewhere to get paid and underwhelmed. Just another guy who played much much better on the Pats than he did elsewhere.
Yup that was me. Belichick's weakness (besides feeling the need to cheat) is strangely enough his own disciples, and coaches that are able to break their own trends. Pederson is a good example. He basically outsmarted Belichick during the Super Bowl by using plays that were never used before under his coaching. I believe the Philly Special was actually stolen from the Bears or the Chiefs. What you mentioned about is out physically the Patriots and taking away quick hitters is easier than done. And even if you could do something like that (ie. this past Super Bowl), you still have to contend with that defense.
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