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Post by moekid on Oct 24, 2019 7:38:46 GMT -7
True.
They are 7-0 with their soft schedule.
We are 2-5 with our soft schedule
Their D is dominating that soft schedule on pace to be lowest scoring D of all time. Our D is getting shredded by our soft schedule ... sigh Pats put Josh Gordon on IR but another team can still sign him I guess because he will be healthy again soon they say. Any interest in that pot head? Yes, we should claim the pothead |
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Post by joemcrugby on Nov 4, 2019 18:09:43 GMT -7
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Post by joemcrugby on Nov 4, 2019 19:57:49 GMT -7
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Post by ohioboltfan on May 1, 2020 14:32:52 GMT -7
There are four teams I want to lose every single game they play- our three division rivals, and the Patriots.
That isn't changing this year, but I am captivated by the potential season New England (Belichick) may have without Brady.
Will Belichick prove he can win without Brady? (He's done it before in short stints when Tom was injured, but this is different, permanent.)
If the Patriots struggle mightily this year, does it tarnish Bill's legacy as the GOAT?
If the Patriots win per usual and Tampa struggles, does it tarnish Brady's legacy as the GOAT??
What would it say if both severely underperform?? (one can dream!)
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Post by totallybolted on May 1, 2020 14:55:56 GMT -7
There are four teams I want to lose every single game they play- our three division rivals, and the Patriots. That isn't changing this year, but I am captivated by the potential season New England (Belichick) may have without Brady. Will Belichick prove he can win without Brady? (He's done it before in short stints when Tom was injured, but this is different, permanent.) If the Patriots struggle mightily this year, does it tarnish Bill's legacy as the GOAT? If the Patriots win per usual and Tampa struggles, does it tarnish Brady's legacy as the GOAT?? What would it say if both severely underperform?? (one can dream!)part of that equation is the jets, Miami and Bills may actually be better
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Post by chargerfreak on May 2, 2020 4:08:07 GMT -7
There are four teams I want to lose every single game they play- our three division rivals, and the Patriots. That isn't changing this year, but I am captivated by the potential season New England (Belichick) may have without Brady. Will Belichick prove he can win without Brady? (He's done it before in short stints when Tom was injured, but this is different, permanent.) If the Patriots struggle mightily this year, does it tarnish Bill's legacy as the GOAT? If the Patriots win per usual and Tampa struggles, does it tarnish Brady's legacy as the GOAT?? What would it say if both severely underperform?? (one can dream!)part of that equation is the jets, Miami and Bills may actually be better Oh they are too. Buffalo is good and young too. The Jets had the worst roster in the NFL, and went 7-9. Miami played football in the second half of the season, and love to give Pats fits.
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Post by ohioboltfan on May 2, 2020 7:21:09 GMT -7
There are four teams I want to lose every single game they play- our three division rivals, and the Patriots. That isn't changing this year, but I am captivated by the potential season New England (Belichick) may have without Brady. Will Belichick prove he can win without Brady? (He's done it before in short stints when Tom was injured, but this is different, permanent.) If the Patriots struggle mightily this year, does it tarnish Bill's legacy as the GOAT? If the Patriots win per usual and Tampa struggles, does it tarnish Brady's legacy as the GOAT?? What would it say if both severely underperform?? (one can dream!)part of that equation is the jets, Miami and Bills may actually be better Yes, they are- in fact I think Buffalo may be the favorite to win the AFC East this year! And there a tons of variables such as the other teams improving while the Pats are older and declining, not allowed to cheat anymore, didn't draft a QB, etc; and on the TB12 side the variables are he's on a new team, new system, he's older, declining arm strength, walked into the wrong locker room, injuries, blah blah blah But my question remains- despite all these 'built-in excuses' for Belichick and Brady, if one or both of them struggle will the sentiment be "Belichick couldn't win without Brady so therefore he's not as great of a coach as we thought" or "Brady can't win without Belichick so therefore he's not as great as we thought"? ? ?
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Post by totallybolted on May 2, 2020 7:49:37 GMT -7
part of that equation is the jets, Miami and Bills may actually be better Yes, they are- in fact I think Buffalo may be the favorite to win the AFC East this year! And there a tons of variables such as the other teams improving while the Pats are older and declining, not allowed to cheat anymore, didn't draft a QB, etc; and on the TB12 side the variables are he's on a new team, new system, he's older, declining arm strength, walked into the wrong locker room, injuries, blah blah blah But my question remains- despite all these 'built-in excuses' for Belichick and Brady, if one or both of them struggle will the sentiment be "Belichick couldn't win without Brady so therefore he's not as great of a coach as we thought" or "Brady can't win without Belichick so therefore he's not as great as we thought"? ? ? I think the PATS would really have to struggle for Bilicheat to get questioned. I don't think that happens. Brady could be 5 years younger and on that Tampa team could still struggle. I just don't see one player making the difference. He needs other pieces around him. We know if he gets pressure he struggles. I think he'll look more human, but the GOAT question may then come down to comparison of other QB's that moved on to other teams. Montana to KC, Peyton to Denver, Farve to Minn, Unitas to SD, etc. To your point, it could come down to what you are asking in the bolded, except I doubt the last part " not as great" would be part of the question
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Post by moekid on May 2, 2020 7:55:08 GMT -7
I don’t think another team will duplicate what the Pats achieved over the last 20 years. Their legacies are both safe
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Post by totallybolted on May 2, 2020 8:03:09 GMT -7
I don’t think another team will duplicate what the Pats achieved over the last 20 years. Their legacies are both safe 100% agree. I was more of a question of would people even ask the question
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Post by jean74 on May 2, 2020 20:27:26 GMT -7
Yeah as the legacies are safe. Usually the Patriots find ways to win regardless of comings and goings of players. But still this will be tough to not see #12 under center!
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Post by moekid on May 2, 2020 20:45:40 GMT -7
I don’t think another team will duplicate what the Pats achieved over the last 20 years. Their legacies are both safe 100% agree. I was more of a question of would people even ask the question Definitely. If there’s a season it will be a main story line |
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Post by chargerfreak on May 3, 2020 2:21:43 GMT -7
part of that equation is the jets, Miami and Bills may actually be better Yes, they are- in fact I think Buffalo may be the favorite to win the AFC East this year! And there a tons of variables such as the other teams improving while the Pats are older and declining, not allowed to cheat anymore, didn't draft a QB, etc; and on the TB12 side the variables are he's on a new team, new system, he's older, declining arm strength, walked into the wrong locker room, injuries, blah blah blah But my question remains- despite all these 'built-in excuses' for Belichick and Brady, if one or both of them struggle will the sentiment be "Belichick couldn't win without Brady so therefore he's not as great of a coach as we thought" or "Brady can't win without Belichick so therefore he's not as great as we thought"? ? ? They are both GOATS. Nothing will change that, because of what they have already accomplished. I don't know the direct tie in to your question, but its important to remember the following: All (almost all ?) great QB's, had great head coaches. Montana_ Bill Walsh. Steve Young-Bill Walsh. Dan Fouts-Don Coryell. Dan Marino- Don Shula. Troy Aikman- Jimmy Johnson. Terry Bradshaw-Chuck Noll. You are not getting to greatness without winning. Takes HC for winning.
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Post by ChargingBolts on May 4, 2020 1:14:18 GMT -7
I for one think Bellycheat is way > Tom Shady I think Brady would have 0 rings without Bill
I think Bill would have at least 1 without Tom
But ... it does seem like Bill's militaristic approach is wearing thin on all the players and players not wanting to sign and ones wanting to get out so not sure how well the Pats will do but I think they may surprise and play better than predicted
As far as Tom goes he put himself on a decent team, 7-9 with Winston giving the opponents 35 turnovers! That would easily of been a 11-5 team with even only half of those turnovers. So Tom put himself in good position, good coach, good system but I secretly hope that the QB Whisperer makes Tom throw into tight coverages with his old weak arm and get him constantly intercepted or broken up, 24 picks would be nice to see and Tom having to be benched or retire.
I would actually like Bill if it wasn't for all the cheating but because of that I can't forgive him, not when the Cheatriots knocked us out of possible SuperBowls 3 times with Rivers at the helm. The least talked about scandel is the one that I think is the worst, the mic-gate scandal where they went like 42-0 at home talking on their helmet mics at home after the 15 second cutoff that Flutie said he heard.
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Post by afboltfan on May 4, 2020 6:14:38 GMT -7
I can't believe the Patriots haven't gone after a QB, I'm rooting for Stidham though... He came from Baylor and the Waco area (where I live now).
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