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Post by moekid on Jul 19, 2019 18:35:44 GMT -7
Trading Gordon for a draft pick isn’t the move a team hunting a Lombardi this season makes.
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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 19, 2019 18:49:26 GMT -7
Trading Gordon for a draft pick isn’t the move a team hunting a Lombardi this season makes. That is the one certainty in this whole kerfuffle: MG ain’t being traded. |
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 19, 2019 21:39:08 GMT -7
Gordon is under contract for the season......it is a simple fact. If Gordon holds out, TT could look to trade him, and any of Cardinals, Dolphins, Bengals, Bills would provide a high enough 2nd rd pick to say bye bye. Oh, ok. You asked what team would come in last, and that won't be decided until the end (near end) of the season. I wasn't asking in a literal fashion, much more just thinking out loud. Clearly there is no way to know which team will actually be last, but TT could approach several that are projected to suck, and get one to trade their 2nd. A pick in the top five of the 2nd rd would be sweet.....Gordon won't be missed, just replaced. It is rare to win a championship with selfish players.....
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Post by frozendisc on Jul 19, 2019 21:48:49 GMT -7
Trading Gordon for a draft pick isn’t the move a team hunting a Lombardi this season makes. Your expectation of a Lombardi is greatly misguided.....
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Post by cthommes on Jul 19, 2019 23:09:56 GMT -7
Trading Gordon for a draft pick isn’t the move a team hunting a Lombardi this season makes. Your expectation of a Lombardi is greatly misguided..... You're greatly misguided. |
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Post by headtrip on Jul 20, 2019 1:31:54 GMT -7
Oh, ok. You asked what team would come in last, and that won't be decided until the end (near end) of the season. I wasn't asking in a literal fashion, much more just thinking out loud. Clearly there is no way to know which team will actually be last, but TT could approach several that are projected to suck, and get one to trade their 2nd. A pick in the top five of the 2nd rd would be sweet.....Gordon won't be missed, just replaced. It is rare to win a championship with selfish players..... Only a 2 bit puck jockey would expect a 2nd rounder to replace MG3. |
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 20, 2019 3:49:02 GMT -7
Oh, ok. You asked what team would come in last, and that won't be decided until the end (near end) of the season. I wasn't asking in a literal fashion, much more just thinking out loud. Clearly there is no way to know which team will actually be last, but TT could approach several that are projected to suck, and get one to trade their 2nd. A pick in the top five of the 2nd rd would be sweet.....Gordon won't be missed, just replaced. It is rare to win a championship with selfish players..... Joe has already nixed any trade talk. BUT, since we are allowed to discuss. I'll open up with some GENIUS insight for you. Be sure to share it with the lawyers on here. I am going to tell you how GM's look at trades, NOT fanboys, the GM's. At this point, ALL of you should be tingling with excitement-hanging on my every word. I am tempted to keep typing blah blah, so to keep you in suspense................................. GM's don't trade players. WHAT ? Freak has absolutely lost his genius mind !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stay with me villagers, here comes the light....... GM's trade CONTRACTS. So you not only want a second rounder, you want to find Team Suckalot and get the 33rd pick of the draft. Bless your puck shaped heart, I feel you, and I appreciate the desire. The value is not there. You have to take a lower draft pick because the team that gets Gordon has to pay his post-rookie contract, which is the "big" contract of a players career. You are asking Team Suck to pay a multiple year, tens of millions dollar contract, AND its going to cost them the 33rd pick of the draft to do it. They just won't. It's too much. PS When you look at the bottom teams, you also want to look for teams hurting at Running Back. Example: Arizona sucked. But they just signed RB Johnson to a big contract, so they would be out of picture. Bell landed at the Jets for his big contract because I swear to the heavens I think moe was 3rd on their depth chart at RB. You want teams that have the need. I hope this was all enlightening and educational for you guys (I have serious, serious reservations that it was BTW) You may now click your little Like Buttons, Nominate me for Glory, and Hail me to the Stars. Love, Your Most High Emperor
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 20, 2019 3:59:54 GMT -7
Just another quick example of the fact that GM's trade CONTRACTS, not players......We have all seen good Larry Linebacker whatever get traded for a 4th Round pick, and we say Why didn't the Chargers get him ?! Then you wonder if Larry LB is hurt, or fell off in talent. Typically the answer is no. It's just that the team that is getting him inherited his money contract that they have to now pay out.
GM's trade contracts, not players. Keep that picture in mind when you see transactions. Things become much clearer then.
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Post by sonorajim on Jul 20, 2019 9:33:46 GMT -7
Just another quick example of the fact that GM's trade CONTRACTS, not players......We have all seen good Larry Linebacker whatever get traded for a 4th Round pick, and we say Why didn't the Chargers get him ?! Then you wonder if Larry LB is hurt, or fell off in talent. Typically the answer is no. It's just that the team that is getting him inherited his money contract that they have to now pay out. GM's trade contracts, not players. Keep that picture in mind when you see transactions. Things become much clearer then. That doesn't clear anything up. Gordon will not play for his current contract. Any team getting him has to meet MGIII's demands + compensate the Chargers for Gordon's rights. That takes a lot of incentive out of the deal for both clubs making a trade improbable.
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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 20, 2019 9:44:24 GMT -7
Just another quick example of the fact that GM's trade CONTRACTS, not players......We have all seen good Larry Linebacker whatever get traded for a 4th Round pick, and we say Why didn't the Chargers get him ?! Then you wonder if Larry LB is hurt, or fell off in talent. Typically the answer is no. It's just that the team that is getting him inherited his money contract that they have to now pay out. GM's trade contracts, not players. Keep that picture in mind when you see transactions. Things become much clearer then. That doesn't clear anything up. Gordon will not play for his current contract. Any team getting him has to meet MGIII's demands + compensate the Chargers for Gordon's rights. That takes a lot of incentive out of the deal for both clubs making a trade improbable. Agree with your conclusion, but regarding the bold: That’s what MG says in mid-July. We will see how it looks in mid / late August as negotiations move along. As the fines escalate, missed game paychecks loom and the reality that MG will still be under contract with the Chargers in 2020 comes to fore, I have a feeling that he’s s position may change. I also believe that when it comes to missing games and damaging the team’s chances at winning a ring, his teammates who now have his back will be singing a different tune in the locker room (not the media ala the Steelers last year) as I believe that MG would be the first player in the new CBA to miss games after his team exercised the fifth year option.
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Post by totallybolted on Jul 20, 2019 13:14:34 GMT -7
Let me know if the trade happens.
I'm hungry for that ham sammich.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 21, 2019 3:16:27 GMT -7
That doesn't clear anything up. Gordon will not play for his current contract. Any team getting him has to meet MGIII's demands + compensate the Chargers for Gordon's rights. That takes a lot of incentive out of the deal for both clubs making a trade improbable. Agree with your conclusion, but regarding the bold: That’s what MG says in mid-July. We will see how it looks in mid / late August as negotiations move along. As the fines escalate, missed game paychecks loom and the reality that MG will still be under contract with the Chargers in 2020 comes to fore, I have a feeling that he’s s position may change. I also believe that when it comes to missing games and damaging the team’s chances at winning a ring, his teammates who now have his back will be singing a different tune in the locker room (not the media ala the Steelers last year) as I believe that MG would be the first player in the new CBA to miss games after his team exercised the fifth year option. Dear Lawyer, Those fines are WICKED. Are they set by the team ? The league ? Union agreement ? Do they change team by team, year by year ? Where they lose their luster is that teams waive them if the player signs a deal.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jul 21, 2019 3:19:05 GMT -7
Just another quick example of the fact that GM's trade CONTRACTS, not players......We have all seen good Larry Linebacker whatever get traded for a 4th Round pick, and we say Why didn't the Chargers get him ?! Then you wonder if Larry LB is hurt, or fell off in talent. Typically the answer is no. It's just that the team that is getting him inherited his money contract that they have to now pay out. GM's trade contracts, not players. Keep that picture in mind when you see transactions. Things become much clearer then. That doesn't clear anything up. Gordon will not play for his current contract. Any team getting him has to meet MGIII's demands + compensate the Chargers for Gordon's rights. That takes a lot of incentive out of the deal for both clubs making a trade improbable. It clears it all up when we see you re-worded exactly what I posted..........................
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Post by sonorajim on Jul 21, 2019 9:32:54 GMT -7
That doesn't clear anything up. Gordon will not play for his current contract. Any team getting him has to meet MGIII's demands + compensate the Chargers for Gordon's rights. That takes a lot of incentive out of the deal for both clubs making a trade improbable. It clears it all up when we see you re-worded exactly what I posted.......................... Glad to help. 
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Post by joemcrugby on Jul 21, 2019 10:03:13 GMT -7
Agree with your conclusion, but regarding the bold: That’s what MG says in mid-July. We will see how it looks in mid / late August as negotiations move along. As the fines escalate, missed game paychecks loom and the reality that MG will still be under contract with the Chargers in 2020 comes to fore, I have a feeling that he’s s position may change. I also believe that when it comes to missing games and damaging the team’s chances at winning a ring, his teammates who now have his back will be singing a different tune in the locker room (not the media ala the Steelers last year) as I believe that MG would be the first player in the new CBA to miss games after his team exercised the fifth year option. Dear Lawyer, Those fines are WICKED. Are they set by the team ? The league ? Union agreement ? Do they change team by team, year by year ? Where they lose their luster is that teams waive them if the player signs a deal. Fines are set by the CBA. From Kevin Patra’s nfl.com column: “Gordon would be subject to fines of up to $40,000 for each day missed if he does not report, per the collective bargaining agreement."www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001035544/article/melvin-gordon-will-demand-trade-without-new-dealOf course, the team can choose to waive the fines if they so choose, and in my opinion that would happen if MG were to report at the close of training camp (a couple of weeks before Game 1), but start missing games, then all bets are off. IMO this is why MG and Bilbo (his agent's name, I kid you not) lose the leverage game in negotiations, and why nobody who has had their fifth year option exercised has held out.
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