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Post by headtrip on Dec 31, 2019 19:28:56 GMT -7
If it were my ass on the line I’d sign Rivers and dump my most valuable resources into the Oline. Not that I have any faith in the front office to suddenly be competent talent evaluators, but that’s the road I’d take. If I were looking to move on I’d be good with sitting either of these guys behind Tyrod for a year, there’s no way I’d let either of them near the field behind this collection of turnstiles. All that to say we’re obviously going to sign PR for 6/150 and press on with the same line in the name of maintaining continuity. Most people I would just let this post go. But you are really good at the NFL, so I have in depth follow up for you:
First you said dump valuable resources into the OL. Is that the first round draft choice ? Cuz then you talked about rookie QB's.
I cannot shake the feeling that we better get a QB in the first: You do not know when you are returning to the top 6 again, nor what the QB pool is then.
REACT
I was saying that if I were in charge I’d sign PR and dump most everything else into the Oline. 1st pick, 2nd pick, maybe the whole draft depending on the board. Whatever cap space is left. Maybe a Roman Oben type trade is out there for the taking. PR looked the same as always this year, great when he had time, trigger happy when he didn’t. The quickest way to contention is to sign and protect Rivers. I don’t watch college ball though, I can’t speak to quality of QB we can get at 6 so take the opinion for what little it’s worth. If we go QB at 6 the Oline still needs to be addressed, but not on such a condensed timeline. He can sit behind Tyrod for a year and we can address other needs. That gives us at least another offseason to build a team around #6. Maybe I’ll do some film study on these two and see if I think they’re worth moving on from 17 for.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 1, 2020 6:01:20 GMT -7
Most people I would just let this post go. But you are really good at the NFL, so I have in depth follow up for you:
First you said dump valuable resources into the OL. Is that the first round draft choice ? Cuz then you talked about rookie QB's.
I cannot shake the feeling that we better get a QB in the first: You do not know when you are returning to the top 6 again, nor what the QB pool is then.
REACT
I was saying that if I were in charge I’d sign PR and dump most everything else into the Oline. 1st pick, 2nd pick, maybe the whole draft depending on the board. Whatever cap space is left. Maybe a Roman Oben type trade is out there for the taking. PR looked the same as always this year, great when he had time, trigger happy when he didn’t. The quickest way to contention is to sign and protect Rivers. I don’t watch college ball though, I can’t speak to quality of QB we can get at 6 so take the opinion for what little it’s worth. If we go QB at 6 the Oline still needs to be addressed, but not on such a condensed timeline. He can sit behind Tyrod for a year and we can address other needs. That gives us at least another offseason to build a team around #6. Maybe I’ll do some film study on these two and see if I think they’re worth moving on from 17 for. I am feeling both: Sign PR and draft our QB. Can we do that ? Can you see that ? Can you get behind that ?
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 1, 2020 7:51:53 GMT -7
I was saying that if I were in charge I’d sign PR and dump most everything else into the Oline. 1st pick, 2nd pick, maybe the whole draft depending on the board. Whatever cap space is left. Maybe a Roman Oben type trade is out there for the taking. PR looked the same as always this year, great when he had time, trigger happy when he didn’t. The quickest way to contention is to sign and protect Rivers. I don’t watch college ball though, I can’t speak to quality of QB we can get at 6 so take the opinion for what little it’s worth. If we go QB at 6 the Oline still needs to be addressed, but not on such a condensed timeline. He can sit behind Tyrod for a year and we can address other needs. That gives us at least another offseason to build a team around #6. Maybe I’ll do some film study on these two and see if I think they’re worth moving on from 17 for. I am feeling both: Sign PR and draft our QB. Can we do that ? Can you see that ? Can you get behind that ? Sign Rivers, HH and Ekeler......then when FA opens, try to sign some OL, as in 3-4.....or DL. In the draft, if the QB you like is there, take him. If the offer for #6 pick is what you like, trade. If you are able to achieve in signing FA's, you will have given yourself flexibility in the draft.
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 1, 2020 8:45:06 GMT -7
If that happens I think you draft Burrows, Herbert, or Tua if they are there. If not draft Andrew Thomas and maybe take a QB in the second, then focus on defense. That would be my "compromise" if we make the mistake of resigning PR.
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 1, 2020 16:18:58 GMT -7
Well Herbert not looking very impressive today so far...
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Post by headtrip on Jan 1, 2020 17:50:51 GMT -7
I was saying that if I were in charge I’d sign PR and dump most everything else into the Oline. 1st pick, 2nd pick, maybe the whole draft depending on the board. Whatever cap space is left. Maybe a Roman Oben type trade is out there for the taking. PR looked the same as always this year, great when he had time, trigger happy when he didn’t. The quickest way to contention is to sign and protect Rivers. I don’t watch college ball though, I can’t speak to quality of QB we can get at 6 so take the opinion for what little it’s worth. If we go QB at 6 the Oline still needs to be addressed, but not on such a condensed timeline. He can sit behind Tyrod for a year and we can address other needs. That gives us at least another offseason to build a team around #6. Maybe I’ll do some film study on these two and see if I think they’re worth moving on from 17 for. I am feeling both: Sign PR and draft our QB. Can we do that ? Can you see that ? Can you get behind that ? I doubt Rivers would like that, and it would be that much tougher to give him the Oline he needs without the 6th pick going towards a tackle.
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Post by frozendisc on Jan 1, 2020 19:12:40 GMT -7
I am feeling both: Sign PR and draft our QB. Can we do that ? Can you see that ? Can you get behind that ? I doubt Rivers would like that, and it would be that much tougher to give him the Oline he needs without the 6th pick going towards a tackle. Rivers is not in charge, nor is he naive, after all he was drafted with Brees in the starter position. Rivers knows how this business works. Resign Rivers, draft Herbert @6th, then get OL and DL.........
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Post by totallybolted on Jan 1, 2020 20:11:59 GMT -7
I am feeling both: Sign PR and draft our QB. Can we do that ? Can you see that ? Can you get behind that ? I doubt Rivers would like that, and it would be that much tougher to give him the Oline he needs without the 6th pick going towards a tackle. PR knows the team has to draft a successor. Drafting one is part of the business.
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Post by totallybolted on Jan 1, 2020 20:13:10 GMT -7
Some of the talk that came out of the Citrus bowl was tua may return to Alabama if he doesn't think he will be drafted high enough.
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Post by headtrip on Jan 1, 2020 20:36:50 GMT -7
I doubt Rivers would like that, and it would be that much tougher to give him the Oline he needs without the 6th pick going towards a tackle. PR knows the team has to draft a successor. Drafting one is part of the business. There’s very little upside for Rivers in LA if the Chargers take a QB at 6. Small chance he’d have more than 2 years as a starter and he’d still be playing behind the human garbage bags filled with bacon grease that constitute our offensive line. Rivers and a tackle or Tyrod and a QB.
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Post by thannah40 on Jan 1, 2020 22:57:26 GMT -7
I still feel this team has the talent to win and go deep in the playoffs. I’m sorry, but PR is the only chance of us getting there in the next year or two. Starting a rookie QB will have this team WORSE than it was this year.
What would you rather have? The experience of Philip Rivers on basically the same team that went 12-4 two years ago? Or three or four years of growing pains wasting the talent that’s on this team now?
TT needs to do a MUCH better job at building the O line. Hopefully there’s talent to grab in FA. Sign Eckeler and HH. For his “antics” I’d trade Gordon - he did NOTHING to prove he was as good as he thought he was. Bum. Good riddance.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 2, 2020 2:28:34 GMT -7
I am feeling both: Sign PR and draft our QB. Can we do that ? Can you see that ? Can you get behind that ? I doubt Rivers would like that, and it would be that much tougher to give him the Oline he needs without the 6th pick going towards a tackle. Oh you don't have to doubt. He would absolutely hate it, I promise you. When you are 5-11 AND THIRD IN THE LEAGUE IN INTERCEPTIONS, I don't really give a damn what you don't like. Our roster is too good not to bring PR back. At the same time TT needs to protect himself. We can hope and pray that this year was a one year freak show. It happens again, and heads will roll.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 2, 2020 2:40:22 GMT -7
If that happens I think you draft Burrows, Herbert, or Tua if they are there. If not draft Andrew Thomas and maybe take a QB in the second, then focus on defense. That would be my "compromise" if we make the mistake of resigning PR. You are attempting to sacrifice quality at the most important position on the field in order to play both sides of the fence. I'm not damning your post at all. You know what you get with a second round QB ? One that was not rated in the first round, that's what you get. Second rounders have been found. Farve and Brees were second rounders. But you are really really shortening the odds and percentages. The Steelers tried to buy insurance with Mason Rudolph. He was picked in the third round. Hoped to groom him behind Big Ben. Rudolph was so boringly average the other team hit him in the head with his own helmet just to get some excitement in the game.
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Post by afboltfan on Jan 2, 2020 6:03:53 GMT -7
If that happens I think you draft Burrows, Herbert, or Tua if they are there. If not draft Andrew Thomas and maybe take a QB in the second, then focus on defense. That would be my "compromise" if we make the mistake of resigning PR. You are attempting to sacrifice quality at the most important position on the field in order to play both sides of the fence. I'm not damning your post at all. You know what you get with a second round QB ? One that was not rated in the first round, that's what you get. Second rounders have been found. Farve and Brees were second rounders. But you are really really shortening the odds and percentages. The Steelers tried to buy insurance with Mason Rudolph. He was picked in the third round. Hoped to groom him behind Big Ben. Rudolph was so boringly average the other team hit him in the head with his own helmet just to get some excitement in the game. Herbert played like a 4th rounder last night in the Rose Bowl... I don't get how nobody is talking about that right now. One game doesn't make a career, but that was an important game and Herbert layed an egg.
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Post by chargerfreak on Jan 2, 2020 6:42:55 GMT -7
You are attempting to sacrifice quality at the most important position on the field in order to play both sides of the fence. I'm not damning your post at all. You know what you get with a second round QB ? One that was not rated in the first round, that's what you get. Second rounders have been found. Farve and Brees were second rounders. But you are really really shortening the odds and percentages. The Steelers tried to buy insurance with Mason Rudolph. He was picked in the third round. Hoped to groom him behind Big Ben. Rudolph was so boringly average the other team hit him in the head with his own helmet just to get some excitement in the game. Herbert played like a 4th rounder last night in the Rose Bowl... I don't get how nobody is talking about that right now. One game doesn't make a career, but that was an important game and Herbert layed an egg. Did he ??
Winning QB that won the Rose Bowl.
He had 3 rushing Touchdowns.
He leads all active QB's with 98 TD's in college football.
Playing against a stout Wisconsin defense, seems like he took what he could from a defense to get the Win.
Just win, baby.
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