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Post by boltnut on Nov 3, 2019 15:02:09 GMT -7
Bosa with a sack on 3rd down already today...
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Post by cthommes on Nov 3, 2019 15:54:21 GMT -7
Thanks for the link, though I'm wondering why you provided it. It neither supports your point nor refutes mine. The holdout was all about payment timing and offset language. Bosa was fully guaranteed the amount of his rookie deal (paid by the Chargers or his next club if he was to be so shit so as to get cut), just by virtue of being drafted. |
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Post by joemcrugby on Nov 3, 2019 17:34:47 GMT -7
James ain’t on the field in 2019, and vet Damion Square disagrees with your assessment. Bosa leads by example and effort. Trade him off for draft picks this offseason and you might as well just let PR retire after 2019 and go into total franchise rebuild. i didn’t say trade him for picks. Sheesh o man. Nobody will give up equal value in a trade for players. An All Pro will need to be in the mix in addition to draft pick(s). Bosa is too important long-term to trade. Long-time Charger fans (before I became a fan) still lament the day that Gene Klein forced a trade because future HOFer Fred Dean wanted too much money. |
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 3, 2019 19:22:47 GMT -7
i didn’t say trade him for picks. Sheesh o man. Nobody will give up equal value in a trade for players. An All Pro will need to be in the mix in addition to draft pick(s). Bosa is too important long-term to trade. Long-time Charger fans (before I became a fan) still lament the day that Gene Klein forced a trade because future HOFer Fred Dean wanted too much money. If Bosa wants to move on, as in it is not about the money, then the old adage is in play...... If you can't sign them, trade them.
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Post by joemcrugby on Nov 3, 2019 20:06:56 GMT -7
Nobody will give up equal value in a trade for players. An All Pro will need to be in the mix in addition to draft pick(s). Bosa is too important long-term to trade. Long-time Charger fans (before I became a fan) still lament the day that Gene Klein forced a trade because future HOFer Fred Dean wanted too much money. If Bosa wants to move on, as in it is not about the money, then the old adage is in play...... If you can't sign them, trade them. What indication has Bosa given that he wants to move on, especially if they make Bosa an offer to pay him the money that he feels he is worth (and that's a lot of $$$)? We might as well make that same observation about all 53 players and not make it a priority to retain their own young players as they develop. I get the sense that Bosa is the type of personality who doesn't want to go through what happened his rookie year again so long as he is treated fairly.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 3, 2019 21:19:25 GMT -7
If Bosa wants to move on, as in it is not about the money, then the old adage is in play...... If you can't sign them, trade them. What indication has Bosa given that he wants to move on, especially if they make Bosa an offer to pay him the money that he feels he is worth (and that's a lot of $$$)? We might as well make that same observation about all 53 players and not make it a priority to retain their own young players as they develop. I get the sense that Bosa is the type of personality who doesn't want to go through what happened his rookie year again so long as he is treated fairly. There is absolutely no indication from the Bosa camp at this point in time. I don't think TT has even reached out to start the extension conversation. That will need to happen this off season, just in case there are issues, and TT would need to go in a different direction. Getting Bosa resigned is the desire......time will tell if that happens.
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Post by boltnut on Nov 4, 2019 21:32:12 GMT -7
Thanks for the link, though I'm wondering why you provided it. It neither supports your point nor refutes mine. The holdout was all about payment timing and offset language. Bosa was fully guaranteed the amount of his rookie deal (paid by the Chargers or his next club if he was to be so shit so as to get cut), just by virtue of being drafted. And I'm wondering why you think the holdout was Joey's fault...? And here's an article detailing the advantages/disadvantages for owners/players in terms of "off-set" money/language. Not exactly guaranteed money... but details why players are not fond of it... www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82a72b56/article/whats-the-holdup-for-top-picks-getting-signed-offset-language
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Post by boltnut on Nov 4, 2019 21:37:09 GMT -7
i didn’t say trade him for picks. Sheesh o man. Nobody will give up equal value in a trade for players. An All Pro will need to be in the mix in addition to draft pick(s). Bosa is too important long-term to trade. Long-time Charger fans (before I became a fan) still lament the day that Gene Klein forced a trade because future HOFer Fred Dean wanted too much money. Sad day... cost us a couple rings.
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Post by cthommes on Nov 4, 2019 21:56:38 GMT -7
Thanks for the link, though I'm wondering why you provided it. It neither supports your point nor refutes mine. The holdout was all about payment timing and offset language. Bosa was fully guaranteed the amount of his rookie deal (paid by the Chargers or his next club if he was to be so shit so as to get cut), just by virtue of being drafted. And I'm wondering why you think the holdout was Joey's fault...? And here's an article detailing the advantages/disadvantages for owners/players in terms of "off-set" money/language. Not exactly guaranteed money... but details why players are not fond of it... www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82a72b56/article/whats-the-holdup-for-top-picks-getting-signed-offset-language Although I hadn't previously mentioned fault -- a hold out is, by definition, a player's action. You're going on and on about a bunch of stuff, and I'm still not sure why. My initial point was the the contract was already fully guaranteed, whereas you'd said otherwise. But by all means, feel free to continue bringing up other things to refute! |
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Post by joemcrugby on Nov 4, 2019 23:08:30 GMT -7
Thanks for the link, though I'm wondering why you provided it. It neither supports your point nor refutes mine. The holdout was all about payment timing and offset language. Bosa was fully guaranteed the amount of his rookie deal (paid by the Chargers or his next club if he was to be so shit so as to get cut), just by virtue of being drafted. And I'm wondering why you think the holdout was Joey's fault...? And here's an article detailing the advantages/disadvantages for owners/players in terms of "off-set" money/language. Not exactly guaranteed money... but details why players are not fond of it... www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82a72b56/article/whats-the-holdup-for-top-picks-getting-signed-offset-language Bosa ended up not getting offset language, just like every other Charger and almost every other franchise in the NFL. Shockingly, most teams don’t like to reward players for failure. And like it’s been said, Bosa had every dollar guaranteed; the agent failed in trying to establish that he could make a franchise bend to his will over something minor that broke their contract structure for attracting future clients. A more established agent in his agency had to take over the reins to get the deal done in one of the most ludicrous holdouts in recent NFL history. I am willing to bet that much like PR in his rookie contract and Gates with his second year holdout (not to mention LT and Jammer), a more seasoned Bosa doesn’t want to go through that experience again. |
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Post by chargerfreak on Nov 5, 2019 3:08:03 GMT -7
Bosa ended up not getting offset language, just like every other Charger and almost every other franchise in the NFL. Shockingly, most teams don’t like to reward players for failure. And like it’s been said, Bosa had every dollar guaranteed; the agent failed in trying to establish that he could make a franchise bend to his will over something minor that broke their contract structure for attracting future clients. A more established agent in his agency had to take over the reins to get the deal done in one of the most ludicrous holdouts in recent NFL history. I am willing to bet that much like PR in his rookie contract and Gates with his second year holdout (not to mention LT and Jammer), a more seasoned Bosa doesn’t want to go through that experience again. He probably won't have to. He is going to get a big deal. Just so nobody thinks Joey and I are idiots, he knows he's playing for his big contract this year. He's going to get paid. TT has little room on this one. ANDDDDDDDDD Gordon did Bosa a favor. What what what ? Crazy talk !!!!! TT does it with Bosa and he has established a contract reputation. He made the news with Gordon, he wouldn't double dog dare try to do it with Bosa. Genius inside analysis.
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Post by frozendisc on Nov 5, 2019 7:46:18 GMT -7
Bosa ended up not getting offset language, just like every other Charger and almost every other franchise in the NFL. Shockingly, most teams don’t like to reward players for failure. And like it’s been said, Bosa had every dollar guaranteed; the agent failed in trying to establish that he could make a franchise bend to his will over something minor that broke their contract structure for attracting future clients. A more established agent in his agency had to take over the reins to get the deal done in one of the most ludicrous holdouts in recent NFL history. I am willing to bet that much like PR in his rookie contract and Gates with his second year holdout (not to mention LT and Jammer), a more seasoned Bosa doesn’t want to go through that experience again. He probably won't have to. He is going to get a big deal. Just so nobody thinks Joey and I are idiots, he knows he's playing for his big contract this year. He's going to get paid. TT has little room on this one. ANDDDDDDDDD Gordon did Bosa a favor. What what what ? Crazy talk !!!!! TT does it with Bosa and he has established a contract reputation. He made the news with Gordon, he wouldn't double dog dare try to do it with Bosa. Genius inside analysis. TT will/should look at all options.......wonder what Bosa is worth in trade? Say this next off season, one year left on contract obligation.....so more than just an end of season rental. Two 1st rd picks plus what?
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Post by boltnut on Nov 5, 2019 17:28:38 GMT -7
Bosa wouldn't even show up for his slotted rookie contract, what on earth makes you think he'll show up for a 5th year option? You know and I know it was about being treated fairly (the way that lesser players around him were getting treated). That was on Spanos. Now, if Spanos was smart (huge assumption here) he would do everything he could to sign Bosa (if that's what Joey wants) to a 5 year extension, starting next year, in the off-season... the money is there for next year ($57 million cap space). Everybody happy...?
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Post by boltnut on Nov 5, 2019 18:04:59 GMT -7
Bosa ended up not getting offset language but did get his signing bonus upfront, just like every other top-10 draft pick the last 5 years... (just like he asked for on day 1 of negotiations...
Fixed it for ya...
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Post by cthommes on Nov 5, 2019 20:16:30 GMT -7
You know and I know it was about being treated fairly (the way that lesser players around him were getting treated). That was on Spanos. Now, if Spanos was smart (huge assumption here) he would do everything he could to sign Bosa (if that's what Joey wants) to a 5 year extension, starting next year, in the off-season... the money is there for next year ($57 million cap space). Everybody happy...? Better. I still stand by my original question though. |
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