marconi
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Post by marconi on Mar 6, 2019 13:42:05 GMT -7
Ok, I'll jump into the fray. I grew up on Air Coryell so there is nothing I love more than the passing game. However, if our QB has no time to throw because our O-line can't block, or we can't establish a running game and the D is just teeing off on the QB, then it doesn't matter how many great receivers you have because they will never see the ball. You can't have a good passing game without a good O-line. I will concede that this draft isn't deep in that area, so all the more reason to take the best Offensive lineman available in the first round. To me that would be OT Andre Dillard of Wash. State. He checks all the boxes for what you are looking for in a LT. Size, strength, intelligence, but most of all quick feet. His biggest strength and experience is protection in the passing game
To me, your first round pick has to be foundational. It has to be a player who will benefit the team for years to come. Dillard fits the bill. We've recently invested high picks in TE and WR but we've been putting band-aids on the tackle position for years. It's time to step up and address it. Rivers isn't getting any younger and if he goes down, we're done.
HH and Fant (if we were lucky enough to draft him) are both excellent blockers, which certainly helps the mediocre OL we have in place. Having two headed monsters at TE is quite 'foundational' (spelling is bad on that by the way) if you ask me. Of course they would need to be properly utilized, which might be beyond Wiz's abilities. I get the love for Dillard, but what is your plan if he is long gone ? Take some OL that should have gone in the early third round ?
Round one requires you take the best talent on your board......adding top tier talent builds rosters, reaching just screws them. I totally agree with you on taking BPA in Round 1. Not locked in on an OT but just think that Dillard could most likely be the best value at 28 and fills a BIG need. But who knows, look what happened last year when James fell into our lap.
We obviously have needs at DT and MLB, plus I also agree picking up another TE needs to be in the equation. I just think these can all be addressed in later rounds with some pretty good value picks. If Dillard is there, I say we take him.
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Post by ltocbolts on Mar 6, 2019 16:51:45 GMT -7
Five posts in a row. Congrats.  Ouch. (That's how it's done.)
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Post by woodeye on Mar 6, 2019 17:08:47 GMT -7
Five posts in a row. Congrats. Ouch. (That's how it's done.) Eye got goalie to go Full Tilt. Can't you picture him breaking his stick over the crossbar ?
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 6, 2019 18:13:44 GMT -7
Ouch. (That's how it's done.) Eye got goalie to go Full Tilt. Can't you picture him breaking his stick over the crossbar ? Responding to five different posts...... You will be an easy Mod to ignore.......
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Post by ltocbolts on Mar 6, 2019 19:18:58 GMT -7
Ok, I'll jump into the fray. I grew up on Air Coryell so there is nothing I love more than the passing game. However, if our QB has no time to throw because our O-line can't block, or we can't establish a running game and the D is just teeing off on the QB, then it doesn't matter how many great receivers you have because they will never see the ball. You can't have a good passing game without a good O-line. I will concede that this draft isn't deep in that area, so all the more reason to take the best Offensive lineman available in the first round. To me that would be OT Andre Dillard of Wash. State. He checks all the boxes for what you are looking for in a LT. Size, strength, intelligence, but most of all quick feet. His biggest strength and experience is protection in the passing game
To me, your first round pick has to be foundational. It has to be a player who will benefit the team for years to come. Dillard fits the bill. We've recently invested high picks in TE and WR but we've been putting band-aids on the tackle position for years. It's time to step up and address it. Rivers isn't getting any younger and if he goes down, we're done.
Man, his value has been all over the place. #10 overall pick? www.milehighreport.com/2019/3/6/18252435/denver-broncos-andre-dillard-mockdraft3d Rounder? www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/03/andre-dillard-washington-state-ot-2019-nfl-draft-profile.htmlKiper and McShay both have moved him firmly into the 1st round, post combine. 247sports.com/college/washington-state/Article/Washington-State-football-Andre-Dillard-NFL-Draft-Todd-McShay-Mel-Kiper-ESPN-Cougars-Cougs-Wazzu-WSU-129779189/
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Post by woodeye on Mar 6, 2019 19:35:26 GMT -7
Ok, I'll jump into the fray. I grew up on Air Coryell so there is nothing I love more than the passing game. However, if our QB has no time to throw because our O-line can't block, or we can't establish a running game and the D is just teeing off on the QB, then it doesn't matter how many great receivers you have because they will never see the ball. You can't have a good passing game without a good O-line. I will concede that this draft isn't deep in that area, so all the more reason to take the best Offensive lineman available in the first round. To me that would be OT Andre Dillard of Wash. State. He checks all the boxes for what you are looking for in a LT. Size, strength, intelligence, but most of all quick feet. His biggest strength and experience is protection in the passing game
To me, your first round pick has to be foundational. It has to be a player who will benefit the team for years to come. Dillard fits the bill. We've recently invested high picks in TE and WR but we've been putting band-aids on the tackle position for years. It's time to step up and address it. Rivers isn't getting any younger and if he goes down, we're done.
Man, his value has been all over the place. #10 overall pick? www.milehighreport.com/2019/3/6/18252435/denver-broncos-andre-dillard-mockdraft3d Rounder? www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/03/andre-dillard-washington-state-ot-2019-nfl-draft-profile.htmlKiper and McShay both have moved him firmly into the 1st round, post combine. 247sports.com/college/washington-state/Article/Washington-State-football-Andre-Dillard-NFL-Draft-Todd-McShay-Mel-Kiper-ESPN-Cougars-Cougs-Wazzu-WSU-129779189/ I would put Dillard in a small cluster @ 28. He's a perfect fit.
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Post by boltnut on Mar 8, 2019 19:04:17 GMT -7
I think Noah Fant is just OK as a blocker. Coaching/technique might turn him into a better run blocker... but he's not there yet. Virgil Green is one of the best run-blocking TE's in the NFL. If I see us run out of a 2-TE set... damn well better be Hunter/Virgil in there. I get the trickery/unpredictable look of having Fant/Henry on the field at the same time... but every NFL coach knows you're passing 90% of the time in that formation. Why not just put your best 3 WR's out there instead of 2 WR's and 2 TE's...? Chances are your #3 WR is a bigger threat than a 2nd TE... especially if you draft a good WR to replace TW.
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Post by ltocbolts on Mar 9, 2019 0:01:35 GMT -7
I think Noah Fant is just OK as a blocker. Coaching/technique might turn him into a better run blocker... but he's not there yet. Virgil Green is one of the best run-blocking TE's in the NFL. If I see us run out of a 2-TE set... damn well better be Hunter/Virgil in there. I get the trickery/unpredictable look of having Fant/Henry on the field at the same time... but every NFL coach knows you're passing 90% of the time in that formation. Why not just put your best 3 WR's out there instead of 2 WR's and 2 TE's...? Chances are your #3 WR is a bigger threat than a 2nd TE... especially if you draft a good WR to replace TW. I wholeheartedly approve of this post.
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Post by woodeye on Mar 9, 2019 1:58:08 GMT -7
It is no surprise to this poster that the Chargers are classified as "in good shape" ie top 5 in the summary of WR groups league wide by NFL.com's analytics expert Cynthia Frelund (she's good.)
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 9, 2019 8:24:32 GMT -7
I think Noah Fant is just OK as a blocker. Coaching/technique might turn him into a better run blocker... but he's not there yet. Virgil Green is one of the best run-blocking TE's in the NFL. If I see us run out of a 2-TE set... damn well better be Hunter/Virgil in there. I get the trickery/unpredictable look of having Fant/Henry on the field at the same time... but every NFL coach knows you're passing 90% of the time in that formation. Why not just put your best 3 WR's out there instead of 2 WR's and 2 TE's...? Chances are your #3 WR is a bigger threat than a 2nd TE... especially if you draft a good WR to replace TW. I think both, HH and Fant, are pretty solid blockers. 90% you say....seems ripe for exploitation. 2 TE's one play, 3 WR's next play.....variety is a good thing, keep the defence guessing. Adding Fant is about BPA, which he might be, might not be. BPA @ 28th might be a TE, WR, CB, DE, ILB, OT.....you get the point. TT needs to not reach for solving some perceived PON....please just add the best talent you can.
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 9, 2019 8:27:33 GMT -7
It is no surprise to this poster that the Chargers are classified as "in good shape" ie top 5 in the summary of WR groups league wide by NFL.com's analytics expert Cynthia Frelund (she's good.) Nobody is surprised you endorse a talking head, it is what you do.....follower. Get out there and make your calls, stop sitting in the library.
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Post by Chargeroo on Mar 9, 2019 11:29:27 GMT -7
Ok, I'll jump into the fray. I grew up on Air Coryell so there is nothing I love more than the passing game. However, if our QB has no time to throw because our O-line can't block, or we can't establish a running game and the D is just teeing off on the QB, then it doesn't matter how many great receivers you have because they will never see the ball. You can't have a good passing game without a good O-line. I will concede that this draft isn't deep in that area, so all the more reason to take the best Offensive lineman available in the first round. To me that would be OT Andre Dillard of Wash. State. He checks all the boxes for what you are looking for in a LT. Size, strength, intelligence, but most of all quick feet. His biggest strength and experience is protection in the passing game
To me, your first round pick has to be foundational. It has to be a player who will benefit the team for years to come. Dillard fits the bill. We've recently invested high picks in TE and WR but we've been putting band-aids on the tackle position for years. It's time to step up and address it. Rivers isn't getting any younger and if he goes down, we're done.
Good post. I'm remembering that the great offense Sid Gilman had was anchored by a top notch OL. Air Coryell - same thing. If you want a strong offense you must have a strong OL. Our production last season was not as good as it should have been when you look at the Receivers and RB's. The reason is, the OL didn't hold up. Especially late in the season.
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Post by boltnut on Mar 9, 2019 11:32:47 GMT -7
I think Noah Fant is just OK as a blocker. Coaching/technique might turn him into a better run blocker... but he's not there yet. Virgil Green is one of the best run-blocking TE's in the NFL. If I see us run out of a 2-TE set... damn well better be Hunter/Virgil in there. I get the trickery/unpredictable look of having Fant/Henry on the field at the same time... but every NFL coach knows you're passing 90% of the time in that formation. Why not just put your best 3 WR's out there instead of 2 WR's and 2 TE's...? Chances are your #3 WR is a bigger threat than a 2nd TE... especially if you draft a good WR to replace TW. I think both, HH and Fant, are pretty solid blockers. 90% you say....seems ripe for exploitation. 2 TE's one play, 3 WR's next play.....variety is a good thing, keep the defence guessing. Adding Fant is about BPA, which he might be, might not be. BPA @ 28th might be a TE, WR, CB, DE, ILB, OT.....you get the point. TT needs to not reach for solving some perceived PON....please just add the best talent you can. I think we mostly agree. Pick the BPA at a PON. I believe there will be a cluster of 6 or 7 @ 28... with very little difference of talent. For example: Dexter Lawrence, Noah Fant, Andre Dillard, Devin Bush, Mack Wilson, Jeffery Simmons, Greg Little... and I could add another 10 players to the list (from other posters). My point is... TE seems like the least on the PON list. I have a real hard time picking a TE in the 1st round. Even Gronkowski went in the 2nd round... I appreciate you thinking out of the box, stretching our imagination. You've certainly forced me to consider a position that wasn't on my radar.
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Post by boltnut on Mar 9, 2019 11:40:49 GMT -7
Ok, I'll jump into the fray. I grew up on Air Coryell so there is nothing I love more than the passing game. However, if our QB has no time to throw because our O-line can't block, or we can't establish a running game and the D is just teeing off on the QB, then it doesn't matter how many great receivers you have because they will never see the ball. You can't have a good passing game without a good O-line. I will concede that this draft isn't deep in that area, so all the more reason to take the best Offensive lineman available in the first round. To me that would be OT Andre Dillard of Wash. State. He checks all the boxes for what you are looking for in a LT. Size, strength, intelligence, but most of all quick feet. His biggest strength and experience is protection in the passing game
To me, your first round pick has to be foundational. It has to be a player who will benefit the team for years to come. Dillard fits the bill. We've recently invested high picks in TE and WR but we've been putting band-aids on the tackle position for years. It's time to step up and address it. Rivers isn't getting any younger and if he goes down, we're done.
Good post. I'm remembering that the great offense Sid Gilman had was anchored by a top notch OL. Air Coryell - same thing. If you want a strong offense you must have a strong OL. Our production last season was not as good as it should have been when you look at the Receivers and RB's. The reason is, the OL didn't hold up. Especially late in the season. If we're lucky enough to get one of the top-3 OT's (Williams, Dillard, Little... IMO) with the 28th pick, I'm all in.
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 9, 2019 19:15:38 GMT -7
I think both, HH and Fant, are pretty solid blockers. 90% you say....seems ripe for exploitation. 2 TE's one play, 3 WR's next play.....variety is a good thing, keep the defence guessing. Adding Fant is about BPA, which he might be, might not be. BPA @ 28th might be a TE, WR, CB, DE, ILB, OT.....you get the point. TT needs to not reach for solving some perceived PON....please just add the best talent you can. I think we mostly agree. Pick the BPA at a PON. I believe there will be a cluster of 6 or 7 @ 28... with very little difference of talent. For example: Dexter Lawrence, Noah Fant, Andre Dillard, Devin Bush, Mack Wilson, Jeffery Simmons, Greg Little... and I could add another 10 players to the list (from other posters). My point is... TE seems like the least on the PON list. I have a real hard time picking a TE in the 1st round. Even Gronkowski went in the 2nd round... I appreciate you thinking out of the box, stretching our imagination. You've certainly forced me to consider a position that wasn't on my radar. The PON list is much bigger than most will acknowledge, so the intersection of BPA and PON might not be that difficult to hit. Fant was more of a realization that he might actually be the BPA, which got me thinking would I take him with HH already on board. Of course I would, makes the mock unusual.....gets ideas floating around.....and he would bring serious talent to the offence. I am working on another mock, probably post tomorrow, might raise some eyebrows with you draft experts.
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