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Post by frozendisc on Mar 3, 2019 10:49:37 GMT -7
28th.....Noah Fant TE
60th....N'Keal Harry WR
91st....Tre Lamar ILB
130th....Daylon Mack DL1T
166th....Beau Benzschawel OG
200th....Paul Adams OT
242nd....Michael Jordan OG
TW and TB are gone.....
Perryman is resigned......
UDFA's will see at least two QB's.....
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Post by sonorajim on Mar 3, 2019 12:32:03 GMT -7
I really like N'Keal Harry @ 60, not very sure he'll drop that far. Shotgun approach to OL at 5-7 has some merit since no OL in 1-4. My TE is Sonora native Kahale Warring, SDSU 7th-pri UDFA.  Glad to see ILB, DT, I'll take a better look at your choices there. |
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 3, 2019 12:49:21 GMT -7
I really like N'Keal Harry @ 60, not very sure he'll drop that far. Shotgun approach to OL at 5-7 has some merit since no OL in 1-4. My TE is Sonora native Kahale Warring, SDSU 7th-pri UDFA. Glad to see ILB, DT, I'll take a better look at your choices there. The way it fell, Fant dropped, but boy he is talented so who knows in the real world. DJ fell, so anything is possible I guess. Harry is going to fall, there are some issues in his background, I am hoping he falls to us @60. My first two picks are BPA at time of pick in my eye. Picks 4-7 were PON with strong influence by BPA. So not necessarily BPA, but not far off of top of what is left on my board.
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Post by woodeye on Mar 3, 2019 17:46:50 GMT -7
In spite of rumors about arm length, Fant was in the top percentile in his vertical jump. He high points well. He runs all the routes of the route tree well. He plucks the football. Finally, he blocks with an attitude, which is required at Iowa.
What's not to like ?
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Post by ltocbolts on Mar 3, 2019 19:12:37 GMT -7
In spite of rumors about arm length, Fant was in the top percentile in his vertical jump. He high points well. He runs all the routes of the route tree well. He plucks the football. Finally, he blocks with an attitude, which is required at Iowa. What's not to like ? He had a great Combine. But me -- I'd be pissed if we spent a 1st on a TE when we have a very young Hunter Henry already and several other obvious needs. Also -- arm length is unrelated to vertical. Vertical is simply the difference of standing and reaching, then jumping and reaching. It thus is used to measure explosiveness, especially for Linemen and LBers. I think the "total" would be a more useful number for a receiver. Simply, how high can you reach, period, when you jump? Sort of like catch radius. p.s. apparently it is possible to "game" the vertical by not reaching your absolute highest when you are standing flat footed.
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Post by woodeye on Mar 3, 2019 20:08:37 GMT -7
In spite of rumors about arm length, Fant was in the top percentile in his vertical jump. He high points well. He runs all the routes of the route tree well. He plucks the football. Finally, he blocks with an attitude, which is required at Iowa. What's not to like ? He had a great Combine. But me -- I'd be pissed if we spent a 1st on a TE when we have a very young Hunter Henry already and several other obvious needs. Also -- arm length is unrelated to vertical. Vertical is simply the difference of standing and reaching, then jumping and reaching. It thus is used to measure explosiveness, especially for Linemen and LBers. I think the "total" would be a more useful number for a receiver. Simply, how high can you reach, period, when you jump? Sort of like catch radius. p.s. apparently it is possible to "game" the vertical by not reaching your absolute highest when you are standing flat footed. But I am an award winning draft expert. Vert was only mentioned because when you watch tape you see Noah high point like hell, and because His frozenness erroneously claimed that Eye uses arm length alone as a parameter in grading prospects. Double TE = Quadruple impact. Early in the draft, be true to you board. Don't worry, the rest of his draft is bird droppings...bird droppings I tell you. 
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 3, 2019 20:30:57 GMT -7
He had a great Combine. But me -- I'd be pissed if we spent a 1st on a TE when we have a very young Hunter Henry already and several other obvious needs. Also -- arm length is unrelated to vertical. Vertical is simply the difference of standing and reaching, then jumping and reaching. It thus is used to measure explosiveness, especially for Linemen and LBers. I think the "total" would be a more useful number for a receiver. Simply, how high can you reach, period, when you jump? Sort of like catch radius. p.s. apparently it is possible to "game" the vertical by not reaching your absolute highest when you are standing flat footed. But I am an award winning draft expert. Vert was mentioned because when you watch tape, you see Noah high point like hell. Double TE = Quadruple impact. Early in the draft, be true to you board. Don't worry, the rest of his draft is bird droppings...bird droppings I tell you. You two lovers get done squabbling over the value of the vertical jump test stupidity, remember to take the best talent on the board, and if Fant fell to 28th, he would be a bigger steal than DJ. He won't fall......
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 3, 2019 20:58:58 GMT -7
He had a great Combine. But me -- I'd be pissed if we spent a 1st on a TE when we have a very young Hunter Henry already and several other obvious needs. Also -- arm length is unrelated to vertical. Vertical is simply the difference of standing and reaching, then jumping and reaching. It thus is used to measure explosiveness, especially for Linemen and LBers. I think the "total" would be a more useful number for a receiver. Simply, how high can you reach, period, when you jump? Sort of like catch radius. p.s. apparently it is possible to "game" the vertical by not reaching your absolute highest when you are standing flat footed. But I am an award winning draft expert. Vert was only mentioned because when you watch tape you see Noah high point like hell, and because His frozenness erroneously claimed that Eye uses arm length alone as a parameter in grading prospects. Double TE = Quadruple impact. Early in the draft, be true to you board. Don't worry, the rest of his draft is bird droppings...bird droppings I tell you. My mock is solid...... I would love having Fant and HH out there.....KA and MW and Harry......that would be some serious weapons for Rivers.
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Post by woodeye on Mar 3, 2019 21:18:31 GMT -7
frozen, you are saying that Fant won't fall, and then you are saying that your mock is solid. Try picking someone who you predict will actually be on the board at 28. That might be solid, but it will definitely be more realistic.  |
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 3, 2019 22:10:18 GMT -7
frozen, you are saying that Fant won't fall, and then you are saying that your mock is solid. Try picking someone who you predict will actually be on the board at 28. That might be solid, but it will definitely be more realistic. Well, Fant is being mocked down lower than 28th......so he might be there according to others. It is mock #1, and other than Fant falling, the rest is pretty reasonable. I like the players, and the round they are mocked in. Give me some of you 'football takes' as opposed to your nit picking.......
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Post by woodeye on Mar 3, 2019 22:17:40 GMT -7
It is not nitpicking to point out
inconsistencies in your comments
in an effort to gain clarity.
It sounds like maybe
you have some doubts
in your own mock draft.
Harry I red flag for character.
Lamar is unrefined.
Benzschawel has limitations.
Mack is a 1 Tech only.
Adams got ate up in Mobil.
Jordan is a day 2 prospect.
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Post by ltocbolts on Mar 4, 2019 2:23:49 GMT -7
But I am an award winning draft expert. Vert was only mentioned because when you watch tape you see Noah high point like hell, and because His frozenness erroneously claimed that Eye uses arm length alone as a parameter in grading prospects. Double TE = Quadruple impact. Early in the draft, be true to you board. Don't worry, the rest of his draft is bird droppings...bird droppings I tell you. My mock is solid...... I would love having Fant and HH out there.....KA and MW and Harry......that would be some serious weapons for Rivers. At least when I fanboyed over L.Green, it wasn't about being a 1st round pick. He was a 4th. AND I hadn't spent every day for the prior four years saying that we needed to draft OLine. We've had, and do have, weapons for Rivers. But we need to protect him better. And on the other side of the ball, we need to stop the run in the middle. I can't believe your position on this. Were you just kidding when you flooded every single thread for years about the need for OLine?
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Post by chargerfreak on Mar 4, 2019 4:59:37 GMT -7
28th.....Noah Fant TE 60th....N'Keal Harry WR 91st....Tre Lamar ILB 130th....Daylon Mack DL1T 166th....Beau Benzschawel OG 200th....Paul Adams OT 242nd....Michael Jordan OG TW and TB are gone..... Perryman is resigned...... UDFA's will see at least two QB's..... I am too busy to destroy your mock right now. But off of the top of my head, you want Michael Jordan to come play football 
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Post by totallybolted on Mar 4, 2019 7:03:33 GMT -7
My mock is solid...... I would love having Fant and HH out there.....KA and MW and Harry......that would be some serious weapons for Rivers. At least when I fanboyed over L.Green, it wasn't about being a 1st round pick. He was a 4th. AND I hadn't spent every day for the prior four years saying that we needed to draft OLine. We've had, and do have, weapons for Rivers. But we need to protect him better. And on the other side of the ball, we need to stop the run in the middle. I can't believe your position on this. Were you just kidding when you flooded every single thread for years about the need for OLine? The reality is there isn't a lot to OL talent in this draft according to the draftnics. So picking OL there seems not a wise choice. Disc is BPA first 2 rounds. He has been consistent in that. I would if there was a PON OL player there who fell to 28. Personally, I hope that happens. The interior OL needs help. There is player "barkley?" that is listed as C & OG. Has high marks for both. That sounds like a good pick to me.
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 4, 2019 8:43:57 GMT -7
It is not nitpicking to point out inconsistencies in your comments in an effort to gain clarity. It sounds like maybe you have some doubts in your own mock draft. Harry I red flag for character. Lamar is unrefined. Benzschawel has limitations. Mack is a 1 Tech only. Adams got ate up in Mobil. Jordan is a day 2 prospect. Harry has mad talent, but is big time immature.....would love to watch that team interview. Lamar has the skills to develop nicely, and remember I am resigning Perryman. Benzschawel has more talent than you give him credit for. My concern with him is how well does he take to coaching. Mack....I know he is a 1 Tech, that is why I chose him. Adams has the potential to become a ROT in the NFL, but worst case is he moves inside and competes will all of the other mediocre OG's on the roaster. 6th rd pick..... Jordan has traits for any position along the o-line, and that is the problem. He needs to pick a position, and refine the skills for that position. As a project player, he falls to late day 3. You like Fant with the 28th pick.....or do you have issues with him as well ? Time to see WoodMod's mock.....
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Glad to see ILB, DT, I'll take a better look at your choices there.
