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Post by chargerfreak on May 22, 2020 2:55:29 GMT -7
Reported Dak Prescott offered 175 million for 5 years... Highest paid QB in history if he takes it. Jerry Jones is an idiot... KC is having chest pains right now... Mahomes about to ask for even more. Dak turned it down. He wants $45 million / season. Time to roll with Dalton if he holds out and won’t sign the franchise tag. The cap is supposed to explode in 2021 due to new network deals being signed now that the new CBA deal has been accepted. That’s one reason why Bosa isn’t ready to sign a deal in 2020. 45 million dollars ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! WTH
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Post by afboltfan on May 22, 2020 5:54:46 GMT -7
That's crazy... Honestly though. I don't see how the cap changes in 2021 especially with COVID and the uncertainty of the season. I do think there will be a season and I do think ratings will be insane, but not having sellout crowds in the stadiums is a huge deal.
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Post by joemcrugby on May 22, 2020 20:53:34 GMT -7
That's crazy... Honestly though. I don't see how the cap changes in 2021 especially with COVID and the uncertainty of the season. I do think there will be a season and I do think ratings will be insane, but not having sellout crowds in the stadiums is a huge deal. The network deal will be five-yearish deals and would start with the 2021 season, so that's when the money starts rolling in. COVID or not, I don't see the networks holding back on a long-term deal due to concerns about the state of national sports in September 2021.
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Post by totallybolted on May 23, 2020 8:46:12 GMT -7
Flacco signs with Jets. Cam still unemployed
Another veteran QB found a new home in 2020 NFL free agency who isn't named Cam Newton. The Jets signed Joe Flacco to a one-year deal, a move announced by his agent. According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the contract for the former Ravens and Broncos starter has a base worth of only $1.5 million with incentives maxing out at $4.5 million.
Flacco, 35, is recovering from neck surgery to correct an ailment that cut short his lone season in Denver. The 2007 first-rounder and Super Bowl 47 MVP for Baltimore didn't want to retire and now can get to stick around in the league for at least another season, if he proves to be healthy enough.
Meanwhile, 2011 No. 1 overall pick Cam Newton, released by the Panthers in March, remains a free agent and still the best veteran QB on the market. So why did the Jets take a flyer on Flacco instead, given that he also carries a level of recent injury history mystery?
First, Flacco, who has made plenty of money in his career and once was the highest-paid QB in the NFL, settled for relative little money to keep playing for someone. Second, after his time with the Broncos proved, pre-injury, that he no longer could be counted on as a starter, Flacco clearly settled on being a willing backup behind 2018 No. 3 overall pick Sam Darnold in New York.
Flacco's deal is similar to the last QB of first-round note to sign. Jameis Winston, the 2015 No. 1 overall pick, went from Buccaneers five-season starter to settling for a $1.1 million base salary plus incentives to back up Drew Brees with the Saints late last month.
For Newton, as the 2015 NFL MVP, reports are it's been difficult for him to accept both a lesser deal and one that doesn't come with a real chance to compete for a starting job. So far, the Patriots and Jaguars have held firm on rolling with second-year third-day picks Jarrett Stidham and Gardner Minshew, respectively, instead of wanting to bring Newton or another viable veteran alternative into the mix.
The Redskins (Ron Rivera and Scott Turner) and Broncos (Mike Shula) are Newton's best remaining coaching staff fits. But Washington has Dwayne Haskins and already traded for former Panther Kyle Allen to compete with him, while Denver is gung-ho on Drew Lock, far removed from Flacco, to the point that it doesn't want him looking over his shoulder.
Adam Gase and Dowell Loggains, who oversee the Jets' offense as coach and coordinator, needed more of a regular pocket passing type behind Darnold. Before Flacco, the Jets' best No. 2 option was David Fales. When Darnold had mononucleosis early last season, their backup situation was badly exposed.
Newton as a unknown quantity to teams because of his durability was never really a fit for New York. Jets general manager Joe Douglas also is vary familiar with Flacco's makeup and skill set. Douglas started as a longtime scout with the Ravens from 2000 to 2014, and Flacco was drafted by Ozzie Newsome in the middle of that tenure.
Is it shocking that Newton hasn't found a fit with any team, even at the lowest price? Yes. Is it surprising that the Jets would roll the dice with Flacco as a No. 2 instead of considering Newton? In their current situation, not at all.
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Post by afboltfan on May 23, 2020 8:59:45 GMT -7
Flacco signs with Jets. Cam still unemployed Another veteran QB found a new home in 2020 NFL free agency who isn't named Cam Newton. The Jets signed Joe Flacco to a one-year deal, a move announced by his agent. According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the contract for the former Ravens and Broncos starter has a base worth of only $1.5 million with incentives maxing out at $4.5 million. Flacco, 35, is recovering from neck surgery to correct an ailment that cut short his lone season in Denver. The 2007 first-rounder and Super Bowl 47 MVP for Baltimore didn't want to retire and now can get to stick around in the league for at least another season, if he proves to be healthy enough. Meanwhile, 2011 No. 1 overall pick Cam Newton, released by the Panthers in March, remains a free agent and still the best veteran QB on the market. So why did the Jets take a flyer on Flacco instead, given that he also carries a level of recent injury history mystery? First, Flacco, who has made plenty of money in his career and once was the highest-paid QB in the NFL, settled for relative little money to keep playing for someone. Second, after his time with the Broncos proved, pre-injury, that he no longer could be counted on as a starter, Flacco clearly settled on being a willing backup behind 2018 No. 3 overall pick Sam Darnold in New York. Flacco's deal is similar to the last QB of first-round note to sign. Jameis Winston, the 2015 No. 1 overall pick, went from Buccaneers five-season starter to settling for a $1.1 million base salary plus incentives to back up Drew Brees with the Saints late last month. For Newton, as the 2015 NFL MVP, reports are it's been difficult for him to accept both a lesser deal and one that doesn't come with a real chance to compete for a starting job. So far, the Patriots and Jaguars have held firm on rolling with second-year third-day picks Jarrett Stidham and Gardner Minshew, respectively, instead of wanting to bring Newton or another viable veteran alternative into the mix. The Redskins (Ron Rivera and Scott Turner) and Broncos (Mike Shula) are Newton's best remaining coaching staff fits. But Washington has Dwayne Haskins and already traded for former Panther Kyle Allen to compete with him, while Denver is gung-ho on Drew Lock, far removed from Flacco, to the point that it doesn't want him looking over his shoulder. Adam Gase and Dowell Loggains, who oversee the Jets' offense as coach and coordinator, needed more of a regular pocket passing type behind Darnold. Before Flacco, the Jets' best No. 2 option was David Fales. When Darnold had mononucleosis early last season, their backup situation was badly exposed. Newton as a unknown quantity to teams because of his durability was never really a fit for New York. Jets general manager Joe Douglas also is vary familiar with Flacco's makeup and skill set. Douglas started as a longtime scout with the Ravens from 2000 to 2014, and Flacco was drafted by Ozzie Newsome in the middle of that tenure. Is it shocking that Newton hasn't found a fit with any team, even at the lowest price? Yes. Is it surprising that the Jets would roll the dice with Flacco as a No. 2 instead of considering Newton? In their current situation, not at all. If I was Dallas I'd trade Dak and sign Newton... Let Newton and Dalton compete for the #1.
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Post by joemcrugby on May 23, 2020 11:52:05 GMT -7
Flacco signs with Jets. Cam still unemployed Another veteran QB found a new home in 2020 NFL free agency who isn't named Cam Newton. The Jets signed Joe Flacco to a one-year deal, a move announced by his agent. According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the contract for the former Ravens and Broncos starter has a base worth of only $1.5 million with incentives maxing out at $4.5 million. Flacco, 35, is recovering from neck surgery to correct an ailment that cut short his lone season in Denver. The 2007 first-rounder and Super Bowl 47 MVP for Baltimore didn't want to retire and now can get to stick around in the league for at least another season, if he proves to be healthy enough. Meanwhile, 2011 No. 1 overall pick Cam Newton, released by the Panthers in March, remains a free agent and still the best veteran QB on the market. So why did the Jets take a flyer on Flacco instead, given that he also carries a level of recent injury history mystery? First, Flacco, who has made plenty of money in his career and once was the highest-paid QB in the NFL, settled for relative little money to keep playing for someone. Second, after his time with the Broncos proved, pre-injury, that he no longer could be counted on as a starter, Flacco clearly settled on being a willing backup behind 2018 No. 3 overall pick Sam Darnold in New York. Flacco's deal is similar to the last QB of first-round note to sign. Jameis Winston, the 2015 No. 1 overall pick, went from Buccaneers five-season starter to settling for a $1.1 million base salary plus incentives to back up Drew Brees with the Saints late last month. For Newton, as the 2015 NFL MVP, reports are it's been difficult for him to accept both a lesser deal and one that doesn't come with a real chance to compete for a starting job. So far, the Patriots and Jaguars have held firm on rolling with second-year third-day picks Jarrett Stidham and Gardner Minshew, respectively, instead of wanting to bring Newton or another viable veteran alternative into the mix. The Redskins (Ron Rivera and Scott Turner) and Broncos (Mike Shula) are Newton's best remaining coaching staff fits. But Washington has Dwayne Haskins and already traded for former Panther Kyle Allen to compete with him, while Denver is gung-ho on Drew Lock, far removed from Flacco, to the point that it doesn't want him looking over his shoulder. Adam Gase and Dowell Loggains, who oversee the Jets' offense as coach and coordinator, needed more of a regular pocket passing type behind Darnold. Before Flacco, the Jets' best No. 2 option was David Fales. When Darnold had mononucleosis early last season, their backup situation was badly exposed. Newton as a unknown quantity to teams because of his durability was never really a fit for New York. Jets general manager Joe Douglas also is vary familiar with Flacco's makeup and skill set. Douglas started as a longtime scout with the Ravens from 2000 to 2014, and Flacco was drafted by Ozzie Newsome in the middle of that tenure. Is it shocking that Newton hasn't found a fit with any team, even at the lowest price? Yes. Is it surprising that the Jets would roll the dice with Flacco as a No. 2 instead of considering Newton? In their current situation, not at all. If I was Dallas I'd trade Dak and sign Newton... Let Newton and Dalton compete for the #1. What is a team going to give up in order to have the honor of signing Prescott to a $45 million / year deal? And what team is willing/able to sign him at this late stage of the NFL offseason? Dak's untradeable at this price-demand level.
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Post by afboltfan on May 23, 2020 12:37:44 GMT -7
If I was Dallas I'd trade Dak and sign Newton... Let Newton and Dalton compete for the #1. What is a team going to give up in order to have the honor of signing Prescott to a $45 million / year deal? And what team is willing/able to sign him at this late stage of the NFL offseason? Dak's untradeable at this price-demand level. Thats only a negotiation not a contract, nothing is signed. Honestly, a trade would screw over Dak in that he would have to prove himself all over again.
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Post by moekid on May 23, 2020 13:51:45 GMT -7
If Dak is worth $45, Mahomes is worth $90
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Post by joemcrugby on May 23, 2020 14:23:53 GMT -7
What is a team going to give up in order to have the honor of signing Prescott to a $45 million / year deal? And what team is willing/able to sign him at this late stage of the NFL offseason? Dak's untradeable at this price-demand level. Thats only a negotiation not a contract, nothing is signed. Honestly, a trade would screw over Dak in that he would have to prove himself all over again. Why would Dak demand any less from another franchise? If anything, he'll want more from a different franchise unless it's in a top media market (LA, NYC) because the marketing $$$ that he earns with the Cowboys is right at the top, and none of the LA/NYC franchises are in the market for a QB. Bottom line is that Dak won't sign a $35 million / year deal with "America's Team". What franchise is in a position to go higher than that, never mind the draft pick compensation that must be surrendered? He is an untradeable asset in my view if he's unwilling to sign the Cowboys ridiculous offer.
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Post by totallybolted on May 23, 2020 15:31:34 GMT -7
What about Kapernick. Is he an NFL pariah to all teams? Do you think there will ever be interest in him?
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Post by afboltfan on May 23, 2020 17:15:03 GMT -7
What about Kapernick. Is he an NFL pariah to all teams? Do you think there will ever be interest in him? I would say that ship has sailed... But, Aldon Smith just got a job with those same Cowboys so anything is possible.
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Post by chargerfreak on May 24, 2020 3:45:02 GMT -7
If Dak is worth $45, Mahomes is worth $90 Oh, as I have warned all offseason long, my little creamy Butterfly twinkle toes is gonna get P-A-I-D.
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Post by chargerfreak on May 24, 2020 3:50:06 GMT -7
Thats only a negotiation not a contract, nothing is signed. Honestly, a trade would screw over Dak in that he would have to prove himself all over again. Why would Dak demand any less from another franchise? If anything, he'll want more from a different franchise unless it's in a top media market (LA, NYC) because the marketing $$$ that he earns with the Cowboys is right at the top, and none of the LA/NYC franchises are in the market for a QB. Bottom line is that Dak won't sign a $35 million / year deal with "America's Team". What franchise is in a position to go higher than that, never mind the draft pick compensation that must be surrendered? He is an untradeable asset in my view if he's unwilling to sign the Cowboys ridiculous offer. I agree he is untradeable, but I don't see the Cowboys offer as ridiculous. I mean you and I believe the entire thing is ridiculous. But they are about where I figured they would be given the rising QB value, cap space going up, etc. I predicted Mahomes at 40. Well the Dak Attack is even driving that up. Are you sure Mahomes isn't Dak's agent ?
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Post by chargerfreak on May 24, 2020 4:04:22 GMT -7
What is a team going to give up in order to have the honor of signing Prescott to a $45 million / year deal? And what team is willing/able to sign him at this late stage of the NFL offseason? Dak's untradeable at this price-demand level. Thats only a negotiation not a contract, nothing is signed. Honestly, a trade would screw over Dak in that he would have to prove himself all over again. No. He's a known commodity. He's a solid QB, no doubt. He's good there and plenty of teams would love to have him. Remember my lesson. joemcrugby is just using different words and angles to tell you the same thing. Write this down now: GM's trade contracts, not players. Fans follow players more than contracts. You are dead on correct- if there were no money involved, teams would love to have Dak. They want nothing to do with somebody asking 45 million dollars a year payments, a contract dispute he can hold out from, and the pain of giving up players/draft picks in order to fight him over it.
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Post by frozendisc on May 24, 2020 6:11:38 GMT -7
Flacco signs with Jets. Cam still unemployed Another veteran QB found a new home in 2020 NFL free agency who isn't named Cam Newton. The Jets signed Joe Flacco to a one-year deal, a move announced by his agent. According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the contract for the former Ravens and Broncos starter has a base worth of only $1.5 million with incentives maxing out at $4.5 million. Flacco, 35, is recovering from neck surgery to correct an ailment that cut short his lone season in Denver. The 2007 first-rounder and Super Bowl 47 MVP for Baltimore didn't want to retire and now can get to stick around in the league for at least another season, if he proves to be healthy enough. Meanwhile, 2011 No. 1 overall pick Cam Newton, released by the Panthers in March, remains a free agent and still the best veteran QB on the market. So why did the Jets take a flyer on Flacco instead, given that he also carries a level of recent injury history mystery? First, Flacco, who has made plenty of money in his career and once was the highest-paid QB in the NFL, settled for relative little money to keep playing for someone. Second, after his time with the Broncos proved, pre-injury, that he no longer could be counted on as a starter, Flacco clearly settled on being a willing backup behind 2018 No. 3 overall pick Sam Darnold in New York. Flacco's deal is similar to the last QB of first-round note to sign. Jameis Winston, the 2015 No. 1 overall pick, went from Buccaneers five-season starter to settling for a $1.1 million base salary plus incentives to back up Drew Brees with the Saints late last month. For Newton, as the 2015 NFL MVP, reports are it's been difficult for him to accept both a lesser deal and one that doesn't come with a real chance to compete for a starting job. So far, the Patriots and Jaguars have held firm on rolling with second-year third-day picks Jarrett Stidham and Gardner Minshew, respectively, instead of wanting to bring Newton or another viable veteran alternative into the mix. The Redskins (Ron Rivera and Scott Turner) and Broncos (Mike Shula) are Newton's best remaining coaching staff fits. But Washington has Dwayne Haskins and already traded for former Panther Kyle Allen to compete with him, while Denver is gung-ho on Drew Lock, far removed from Flacco, to the point that it doesn't want him looking over his shoulder. Adam Gase and Dowell Loggains, who oversee the Jets' offense as coach and coordinator, needed more of a regular pocket passing type behind Darnold. Before Flacco, the Jets' best No. 2 option was David Fales. When Darnold had mononucleosis early last season, their backup situation was badly exposed. Newton as a unknown quantity to teams because of his durability was never really a fit for New York. Jets general manager Joe Douglas also is vary familiar with Flacco's makeup and skill set. Douglas started as a longtime scout with the Ravens from 2000 to 2014, and Flacco was drafted by Ozzie Newsome in the middle of that tenure. Is it shocking that Newton hasn't found a fit with any team, even at the lowest price? Yes. Is it surprising that the Jets would roll the dice with Flacco as a No. 2 instead of considering Newton? In their current situation, not at all. If I was Dallas I'd trade Dak and sign Newton... Let Newton and Dalton compete for the #1. Your love for Newton seriously impedes your evaluation of the position held by Dallas. Dak is controlled by Dallas. Yes Dak could refuse services, but that earns no money and gets him no closer to any 'freedom' from Dallas, if freedom was the goal. Dallas has Dalton as their fall back QB, which is just a cheap insurance policy in case the Dak negotiations really go badly. Trading Dak seems extremely unlikely, and even more difficult to accomplish then you are acknowledging. Another thing you refuse to acknowledge is the Newton issue.......which there clearly is one. What it actually is I do not know. There is virtually zero interest in him it seems, so that means something, does it not?
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