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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 1, 2020 7:03:41 GMT -7
Its exactly as he says. QB's are NUMBER 1, Guards are roughly 7th ? I personally might put them 9th or 10th ? A great example is you have Ruiz-Center as your 2nd Round pick. (Centers and Guards are pretty much lumped together by the way.) You believe he is the best Center in the draft, you are not alone, big guy, Big School Billy out of Michigan. YET, he is projected in the 2nd Round. Position value is why. They always fall in the draft too. Always. (KC lost Wisnewski in free agency. Some think they will take Ruiz as the last pick of the first round.) Ruiz will go 1st rd......much to the chagrin of my mock. The rest of your post simply reinforces your own beliefs.....and I just say keep believing. I have led you to water. When you went to drink, it had turned to ice.
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Post by frozendisc on Apr 1, 2020 7:48:49 GMT -7
Ruiz will go 1st rd......much to the chagrin of my mock. The rest of your post simply reinforces your own beliefs.....and I just say keep believing. I have led you to water. When you went to drink, it had turned to ice. If you say so WoodMod......
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Post by lazylightning on Apr 1, 2020 8:54:16 GMT -7
It is not as you say, but keep believing...... Its exactly as he says. QB's are NUMBER 1, Guards are roughly 7th ? I personally might put them 9th or 10th ? A great example is you have Ruiz-Center as your 2nd Round pick. (Centers and Guards are pretty much lumped together by the way.) You believe he is the best Center in the draft, you are not alone, big guy, Big School Billy out of Michigan. YET, he is projected in the 2nd Round. Position value is why. They always fall in the draft too. Always. (KC lost Wisnewski in free agency. Some think they will take Ruiz as the last pick of the first round.) There are guards that come out of the first round. The problem is that many of them get drafted as Tackles and get moved inside.
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 1, 2020 9:36:29 GMT -7
Its exactly as he says. QB's are NUMBER 1, Guards are roughly 7th ? I personally might put them 9th or 10th ? A great example is you have Ruiz-Center as your 2nd Round pick. (Centers and Guards are pretty much lumped together by the way.) You believe he is the best Center in the draft, you are not alone, big guy, Big School Billy out of Michigan. YET, he is projected in the 2nd Round. Position value is why. They always fall in the draft too. Always. (KC lost Wisnewski in free agency. Some think they will take Ruiz as the last pick of the first round.) There are guards that come out of the first round. The problem is that many of them get drafted as Tackles and get moved inside. Please show me where I said there are no first round guards. sheeessshhh o'man. Do we really not get it ? I know the goalie will argue just for arguments sake. Don't be that guy.
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 1, 2020 9:39:34 GMT -7
Its exactly as he says. QB's are NUMBER 1, Guards are roughly 7th ? I personally might put them 9th or 10th ? A great example is you have Ruiz-Center as your 2nd Round pick. (Centers and Guards are pretty much lumped together by the way.) You believe he is the best Center in the draft, you are not alone, big guy, Big School Billy out of Michigan. YET, he is projected in the 2nd Round. Position value is why. They always fall in the draft too. Always. (KC lost Wisnewski in free agency. Some think they will take Ruiz as the last pick of the first round.) There are guards that come out of the first round. The problem is that many of them get drafted as Tackles and get moved inside. They can pop up. Wasn't there a couple of hot ones the year Fluker was drafted ?
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Post by afboltfan on Apr 1, 2020 11:05:43 GMT -7
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Post by ohioboltfan on Apr 1, 2020 12:46:51 GMT -7
Thanks for sharing AFB. I reluctantly watched this clip- and I say reluctantly because it seems like every body and their brother is trying to force Cam to the Chargers and it's repetitive. But I enjoyed some of the points these guys made, like: - Anthony Lynn must win now because of his record to date, but mostly because Los Angeles is a band wagon city that won't support losers (win now = no rookie QB)
- The Chargers need a "star" (in addition to the above point about winning) to appeal to the fan base in their new stadium and city home (star = Cam and not Tyrod)
- The Chargers can wait until after the draft to sign Cam so as not to lose value or leverage in their #6 pick (with Cam everyone knows #6 will not be a QB)
I thought all of those points made a lot of sense. They also pointed out that Cam was- and depending on health is- a better player than Tyrod Taylor, and a more proven QB than Tua, Love or Herbert for the next few years. Cam's health is another reason he isn't signed yet (by Bolts or another team) because of not being able to meet with him and have team doctors clear him.
On the flip side they pointed out his MVP season of five years ago was followed by four seasons of decline. They said it could be due to his health (lack of).
They never mentioned the money it would take to sign Cam. This is my biggest reason against signing Cam. I'm not against signing him, but health and age and decline also lower his cost.
I think the Chargers will make an attempt for Tua because he could provide that star factor that isn't evident in other draft picks. But I also doubt the Chargers can pull it off, so I've been predicting they would choose Herbert at #6 which I am not in favor of.
So maybe, just maybe, their Plan B is to get Cam if they can't move up for Tua on draft night. That would allow for the #6 pick to be used on Simmons, which I am in favor of!
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Post by lazylightning on Apr 1, 2020 13:01:29 GMT -7
There are guards that come out of the first round. The problem is that many of them get drafted as Tackles and get moved inside. Please show me where I said there are no first round guards. sheeessshhh o'man. Do we really not get it ? I know the goalie will argue just for arguments sake. Don't be that guy. Which guy is that? I just have issues with position specific generic statements in a talent driven league. Any position can be selected high when the talent is there. Where you and I differ is that the expected QB talent at pick six is not as high as a the talent at other positions. All things being equal, you take the position of need. Otherwise, take the best talent.
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 1, 2020 13:06:30 GMT -7
Please show me where I said there are no first round guards. sheeessshhh o'man. Do we really not get it ? I know the goalie will argue just for arguments sake. Don't be that guy.Which guy is that? I just have issues with position specific generic statements in a talent driven league. Any position can be selected high when the talent is there. Where you and I differ is that the expected QB talent at pick six is not as high as a the talent at other positions. All things being equal, you take the position of need. Otherwise, take the best talent. Value. and QB's get it too. I actually agree with you. Chase Young is fantastic. A QB will go ahead of him. Hybrid Simmons is a great young athlete. Can't count the QB's that will go ahead of him. But they will. CB. DT. We do not differ there. I do not deny the talent. But I recognize HOW IT WORKS. QB value is insane. You already know what I am telling you.
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Post by afboltfan on Apr 1, 2020 13:16:18 GMT -7
Thanks for sharing AFB. I reluctantly watched this clip- and I say reluctantly because it seems like every body and their brother is trying to force Cam to the Chargers and it's repetitive. But I enjoyed some of the points these guys made, like: - Anthony Lynn must win now because of his record to date, but mostly because Los Angeles is a band wagon city that won't support losers (win now = no rookie QB)
- The Chargers need a "star" (in addition to the above point about winning) to appeal to the fan base in their new stadium and city home (star = Cam and not Tyrod)
- The Chargers can wait until after the draft to sign Cam so as not to lose value or leverage in their #6 pick (with Cam everyone knows #6 will not be a QB)
I thought all of those points made a lot of sense. They also pointed out that Cam was- and depending on health is- a better player than Tyrod Taylor, and a more proven QB than Tua, Love or Herbert for the next few years. Cam's health is another reason he isn't signed yet (by Bolts or another team) because of not being able to meet with him and have team doctors clear him.
On the flip side they pointed out his MVP season of five years ago was followed by four seasons of decline. They said it could be due to his health (lack of).
They never mentioned the money it would take to sign Cam. This is my biggest reason against signing Cam. I'm not against signing him, but health and age and decline also lower his cost.
I think the Chargers will make an attempt for Tua because he could provide that star factor that isn't evident in other draft picks. But I also doubt the Chargers can pull it off, so I've been predicting they would choose Herbert at #6 which I am not in favor of.
So maybe, just maybe, their Plan B is to get Cam if they can't move up for Tua on draft night. That would allow for the #6 pick to be used on Simmons, which I am in favor of!
/agreed I think this is why the noise from Cam's side has been so low. I think they are in negotiation, but we won't hear anything till after the draft. Just based off of what we know of Cam, if he wasn't talking to any teams, there would be alot more drama than we see now. Other than working out with Tyrod and DW, he has been uncharacteristically quiet since saying they "gave up on him" a week or so ago... The build up for this draft has been huge!! I'm anxious to see how it turns out...
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Post by totallybolted on Apr 1, 2020 13:49:27 GMT -7
Thanks for sharing AFB. I reluctantly watched this clip- and I say reluctantly because it seems like every body and their brother is trying to force Cam to the Chargers and it's repetitive. But I enjoyed some of the points these guys made, like: - Anthony Lynn must win now because of his record to date, but mostly because Los Angeles is a band wagon city that won't support losers (win now = no rookie QB)
- The Chargers need a "star" (in addition to the above point about winning) to appeal to the fan base in their new stadium and city home (star = Cam and not Tyrod)
- The Chargers can wait until after the draft to sign Cam so as not to lose value or leverage in their #6 pick (with Cam everyone knows #6 will not be a QB)
I thought all of those points made a lot of sense. They also pointed out that Cam was- and depending on health is- a better player than Tyrod Taylor, and a more proven QB than Tua, Love or Herbert for the next few years. Cam's health is another reason he isn't signed yet (by Bolts or another team) because of not being able to meet with him and have team doctors clear him.
On the flip side they pointed out his MVP season of five years ago was followed by four seasons of decline. They said it could be due to his health (lack of).
They never mentioned the money it would take to sign Cam. This is my biggest reason against signing Cam. I'm not against signing him, but health and age and decline also lower his cost.
I think the Chargers will make an attempt for Tua because he could provide that star factor that isn't evident in other draft picks. But I also doubt the Chargers can pull it off, so I've been predicting they would choose Herbert at #6 which I am not in favor of.
So maybe, just maybe, their Plan B is to get Cam if they can't move up for Tua on draft night. That would allow for the #6 pick to be used on Simmons, which I am in favor of!
/agreed I think this is why the noise from Cam's side has been so low. I think they are in negotiation, but we won't hear anything till after the draft. Just based off of what we know of Cam, if he wasn't talking to any teams, there would be alot more drama than we see now. Other than working out with Tyrod and DW, he has been uncharacteristically quiet since saying they "gave up on him" a week or so ago... The build up for this draft has been huge!! I'm anxious to see how it turns out... It would benefit Cam as well to wait. Teams that are looking for a QB and do not get one in the draft, will look to FA's
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Post by frozendisc on Apr 1, 2020 19:34:55 GMT -7
Which guy is that? I just have issues with position specific generic statements in a talent driven league. Any position can be selected high when the talent is there. Where you and I differ is that the expected QB talent at pick six is not as high as a the talent at other positions. All things being equal, you take the position of need. Otherwise, take the best talent. Value. and QB's get it too. I actually agree with you. Chase Young is fantastic. A QB will go ahead of him. Hybrid Simmons is a great young athlete. Can't count the QB's that will go ahead of him. But they will. CB. DT. We do not differ there. I do not deny the talent. But I recognize HOW IT WORKS. QB value is insane. You already know what I am telling you. You have a problem counting to one?
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 2, 2020 2:41:33 GMT -7
Value. and QB's get it too. I actually agree with you. Chase Young is fantastic. A QB will go ahead of him. Hybrid Simmons is a great young athlete. Can't count the QB's that will go ahead of him. But they will. CB. DT. We do not differ there. I do not deny the talent. But I recognize HOW IT WORKS. QB value is insane. You already know what I am telling you. You have a problem counting to one? 1. Burrow 1. Tua I can stay on 1 I guess. Tua makes it an exciting draft huh ? He could literally go 2nd-6th. Its crazy. Same with Simmons. He could go 3rd- 6th. Its nuts.
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Post by frozendisc on Apr 2, 2020 6:26:44 GMT -7
You have a problem counting to one? 1. Burrow 1. Tua I can stay on 1 I guess. Tua makes it an exciting draft huh ? He could literally go 2nd-6th. Its crazy. Same with Simmons. He could go 3rd- 6th. Its nuts. Burrow, Young, then most likely Okudah....but maybe Simmons, whichever is the one not picked will fall to at least 6th, and I would take either before a risky QB pick. I think the cost will keep trades from happening, Miami might get nervous, but they stay at 5th and get Tua. My guess at least.....
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 2, 2020 7:06:45 GMT -7
1. Burrow 1. Tua I can stay on 1 I guess. Tua makes it an exciting draft huh ? He could literally go 2nd-6th. Its crazy. Same with Simmons. He could go 3rd- 6th. Its nuts. Burrow, Young, then most likely Okudah....but maybe Simmons, whichever is the one not picked will fall to at least 6th, and I would take either before a risky QB pick. I think the cost will keep trades from happening, Miami might get nervous, but they stay at 5th and get Tua. My guess at least..... Good as guess as any. Its all starting to spin around now.
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