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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 28, 2020 8:40:34 GMT -7
I sure am rooting for Herbert. If he's a goodie, it solves a lot of problems. Time and problems. Time, money, and resources. and of course we are eager to win now. #10 I am rooting for him as well. A good friend, scout in Ice Hockey, asked me what I thought of the player (not the pick). I said I thought he had a decent chance at being a franchise QB, had all the traits essentially. He responded 'bust pick'....... I laughed, at worst he is just average, a back up...... He said just watch. I do not think I have heard anyone call Herbert a bust pick. The kid is big enough !!! Powerful arm !!! They just fine tune, get him used to our playbook, we could be cooking. Shorten that NFL curve.
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Post by frozendisc on Apr 28, 2020 8:43:26 GMT -7
I'm not picking on you, I just want to point this out: ALL pre-draft, you always posted "Liar's Month". "Don't believe what the Org. is saying pre-draft" etc etc But you fully believed Lynn saying Taylor was THE guy. I am only pointing that out for an opportunity to learn. Right now on April 28th, I have no idea what our freak staff will do. But I wouldn't trust Lynn after he lied to you. He didn't really lie to me because I knew he was running interference for Telesco. They were so far up Herbert's ass, I honestly believe if Tua and Herbert were both available, they would have drafted Herbert.
What is everyone's opinion on that ? Agree and disagree. Tua has been injured some much in college it would have been way too risky for this star crossed franchise to invest a #6 in. However, I don’t believe they were up Herbert’s ass. The asterisk should give you a clue, but apparently it did not. I have posted this belief before, but here you go just for you: If Herbert cannot beat out Taylor, Bolts got problems. It should not be close.....6th overall best be starting over Taylor.
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 28, 2020 8:48:08 GMT -7
Agree and disagree. Tua has been injured some much in college it would have been way too risky for this star crossed franchise to invest a #6 in. However, I don’t believe they were up Herbert’s ass. The asterisk should give you a clue, but apparently it did not. I have posted this belief before, but here you go just for you: If Herbert cannot beat out Taylor, Bolts got problems. It should not be close.....6th overall best be starting over Taylor. The question has nothing to do with Taylor or your snarky clues. If Tua was available, would they still have drafted Herbert ?
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Post by afboltfan on Apr 28, 2020 9:17:22 GMT -7
The asterisk should give you a clue, but apparently it did not. I have posted this belief before, but here you go just for you: If Herbert cannot beat out Taylor, Bolts got problems. It should not be close.....6th overall best be starting over Taylor. The question has nothing to do with Taylor or your snarky clues. If Tua was available, would they still have drafted Herbert ? Interesting question... Based on what has been said about Herbert from the organization, I say yes. I think TT did have Herbert above Tua.
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 28, 2020 9:18:47 GMT -7
The question has nothing to do with Taylor or your snarky clues. If Tua was available, would they still have drafted Herbert ?Interesting question... Based on what has been said about Herbert from the organization, I say yes. I think TT did have Herbert above Tua. I want to thank you for your input, and for making it easy.
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Post by ohioboltfan on Apr 28, 2020 11:09:02 GMT -7
The question has nothing to do with Taylor or your snarky clues. If Tua was available, would they still have drafted Herbert ?Interesting question... Based on what has been said about Herbert from the organization, I say yes. I think TT did have Herbert above Tua. I'll take the opposite position, not to be contrarian but because I think everyone had Tua higher than Herbert. So I think if they were both available the Chargers would have chosen Tua. This isn't a knock on Herbert but I strongly believe the Chargers were hoping Tua fell to six. The main thing Tua offers over Herbert is the face-of-the-franchise charisma and built-in popularity this team so wanted for the move to the new stadium. Herbert will be a good starting QB someday and Tua may be broken* in half inside of a year, but for right now the marketing and publicity trump the on-the-field performance. The Chargers sorely need an injection of fandom and positive press and ticket sales. Tua would have far exceeded Herbert's marketability and cachet and the Chargers would've chosen that "it factor" over any other factor. *For the record, I hope Tua has an amazing and injury free career and when it's over he is regarded as the second-best QB from this draft class after Herbert.
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Post by ohioboltfan on Apr 28, 2020 11:30:58 GMT -7
We darn sure can't trust anything Anthony Lynn tells the media! And I wholeheartedly agree that Herbert should not start right away. Let him see a few garbage time snaps late in the year, but otherwise let him soak up the coaching and learn the pro game without the responsibility of having to perform and win too. but if we ended up with pick 1, would you go Lawrence? Wow, fantastic scenario question TB! I almost can't believe I'm saying this, but yes I do take Lawrence. Here's why- Lawrence is in the rarefied air of Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck who were identified as elite QBs early- as in before their first college game early- and then they proved it to be true during their college careers, went on to be the consensus and actual #1 overall pick in the draft (ironically by the same team!!!) and proceeded to prove that was justified by their stellar NFL play throughout their careers. So the evidence suggests that Lawrence is about as close to a guarantee as you can ever get in the draft! Herbert will be one year in and still an unknown commodity after sitting behind Tyrod most or all of the year. But having the #1 pick to be able to select Lawrence implies we lost a lot of games! So Herbert probably came in after Tyrod was benched (in this hypothetical example season), and yet he still lost all the games he started or played in. So just by having the #1 pick means Herbert didn't win us any games which means he probably isn't starter material after all which means we still need a starting caliber QB which means with the #1 overall pick we need to take Lawrence! How's that for logic?
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 28, 2020 11:31:51 GMT -7
Interesting question... Based on what has been said about Herbert from the organization, I say yes. I think TT did have Herbert above Tua. I'll take the opposite position, not to be contrarian but because I think everyone had Tua higher than Herbert. So I think if they were both available the Chargers would have chosen Tua. This isn't a knock on Herbert but I strongly believe the Chargers were hoping Tua fell to six. The main thing Tua offers over Herbert is the face-of-the-franchise charisma and built-in popularity this team so wanted for the move to the new stadium. Herbert will be a good starting QB someday and Tua may be broken* in half inside of a year, but for right now the marketing and publicity trump the on-the-field performance. The Chargers sorely need an injection of fandom and positive press and ticket sales. Tua would have far exceeded Herbert's marketability and cachet and the Chargers would've chosen that "it factor" over any other factor. *For the record, I hope Tua has an amazing and injury free career and when it's over he is regarded as the second-best QB from this draft class after Herbert. Ok. Good post !!! I think you are the first Tua post !! Has TT been asked ? You know he's gonna be asked.................
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 28, 2020 11:34:43 GMT -7
but if we ended up with pick 1, would you go Lawrence? Wow, fantastic scenario question TB! I almost can't believe I'm saying this, but yes I do take Lawrence. Here's why- Lawrence is in the rarefied air of Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck who were identified as elite QBs early- as in before their first college game early- and then they proved it to be true during their college careers, went on to be the consensus and actual #1 overall pick in the draft (ironically by the same team!!!) and proceeded to prove that was justified by their stellar NFL play throughout their careers. So the evidence suggests that Lawrence is about as close to a guarantee as you can ever get in the draft! Herbert will be one year in and still an unknown commodity after sitting behind Tyrod most or all of the year. But having the #1 pick to be able to select Lawrence implies we lost a lot of games! So Herbert probably came in after Tyrod was benched (in this hypothetical example season), and yet he still lost all the games he started or played in. So just by having the #1 pick means Herbert didn't win us any games which means he probably isn't starter material after all which means we still need a starting caliber QB which means with the #1 overall pick we need to take Lawrence! How's that for logic? It's logical. Provided it all played out that way. Team injuries led to bad record. Running up our gut led to bad record. Lynn lost the team led to a bad record. LOTS of variables for a season that hasn't even been played yet.
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Post by ohioboltfan on Apr 28, 2020 11:38:24 GMT -7
I'll take the opposite position, not to be contrarian but because I think everyone had Tua higher than Herbert. So I think if they were both available the Chargers would have chosen Tua. This isn't a knock on Herbert but I strongly believe the Chargers were hoping Tua fell to six. The main thing Tua offers over Herbert is the face-of-the-franchise charisma and built-in popularity this team so wanted for the move to the new stadium. Herbert will be a good starting QB someday and Tua may be broken* in half inside of a year, but for right now the marketing and publicity trump the on-the-field performance. The Chargers sorely need an injection of fandom and positive press and ticket sales. Tua would have far exceeded Herbert's marketability and cachet and the Chargers would've chosen that "it factor" over any other factor. *For the record, I hope Tua has an amazing and injury free career and when it's over he is regarded as the second-best QB from this draft class after Herbert. Ok. Good post !!! I think you are the first Tua post !! Has TT been asked ? You know he's gonna be asked................. He was probably asked and in typical GM-speak he either deflected the question or hinted that Herbert was their guy all along. But I submit to you that if Tua was drafted, we'd be hearing all about the how Chargers were following him for the past three years, we had interviews at the Combine and several Zoom calls with him, we love the college program he came from, love his background and culture that fit right into the LA community, blah blah blah. So just because we're hearing those things about Herbert doesn't mean they are exclusive to Herbert!
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Post by ohioboltfan on Apr 28, 2020 11:48:26 GMT -7
Wow, fantastic scenario question TB! I almost can't believe I'm saying this, but yes I do take Lawrence. Here's why- Lawrence is in the rarefied air of Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck who were identified as elite QBs early- as in before their first college game early- and then they proved it to be true during their college careers, went on to be the consensus and actual #1 overall pick in the draft (ironically by the same team!!!) and proceeded to prove that was justified by their stellar NFL play throughout their careers. So the evidence suggests that Lawrence is about as close to a guarantee as you can ever get in the draft! Herbert will be one year in and still an unknown commodity after sitting behind Tyrod most or all of the year. But having the #1 pick to be able to select Lawrence implies we lost a lot of games! So Herbert probably came in after Tyrod was benched (in this hypothetical example season), and yet he still lost all the games he started or played in. So just by having the #1 pick means Herbert didn't win us any games which means he probably isn't starter material after all which means we still need a starting caliber QB which means with the #1 overall pick we need to take Lawrence! How's that for logic? It's logical. Provided it all played out that way. Team injuries led to bad record. Running up our gut led to bad record. Lynn lost the team led to a bad record. LOTS of variables for a season that hasn't even been played yet. Right- there are lots of reasons for losing but in this QB to QB scenario I supposed it was all related to QB play. If Herbert starts and we go 16-0 we aren't in a position to take Lawrence, nor would we want to! And if we go 0-16 because of poor coaching (that's a real thing!) and Herbert never sees the field (bad coaching remember?) then yes we take Lawrence in this scenario. And if we go 0-16 with Herbert starting and his play is AMAZING but injuries and bad coaching are the reason we lost, then we still take Lawrence because you are what your record says you are! And the new coaching staff will want 'their' guy because after an 0-16 season the GM and coaches are all fired. For the record, I hope we are picking 32nd next year!
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Post by totallybolted on Apr 28, 2020 12:02:29 GMT -7
Interesting question... Based on what has been said about Herbert from the organization, I say yes. I think TT did have Herbert above Tua. I'll take the opposite position, not to be contrarian but because I think everyone had Tua higher than Herbert. So I think if they were both available the Chargers would have chosen Tua. This isn't a knock on Herbert but I strongly believe the Chargers were hoping Tua fell to six. The main thing Tua offers over Herbert is the face-of-the-franchise charisma and built-in popularity this team so wanted for the move to the new stadium. Herbert will be a good starting QB someday and Tua may be broken* in half inside of a year, but for right now the marketing and publicity trump the on-the-field performance. The Chargers sorely need an injection of fandom and positive press and ticket sales. Tua would have far exceeded Herbert's marketability and cachet and the Chargers would've chosen that "it factor" over any other factor. *For the record, I hope Tua has an amazing and injury free career and when it's over he is regarded as the second-best QB from this draft class after Herbert. could not of said it better.
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Post by totallybolted on Apr 28, 2020 12:05:02 GMT -7
Agree and disagree. Tua has been injured some much in college it would have been way too risky for this star crossed franchise to invest a #6 in. However, I don’t believe they were up Herbert’s ass. The asterisk should give you a clue, but apparently it did not. I have posted this belief before, but here you go just for you: If Herbert cannot beat out Taylor, Bolts got problems. It should not be close.....6th overall best be starting over Taylor. i seriously think that really depends on the plans. I have to say it.... but Freak could be right. If the bolts really want herbert to mature before they throw him to the lions then he will not be starting over TT until next year
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Post by totallybolted on Apr 28, 2020 12:08:01 GMT -7
It's logical. Provided it all played out that way. Team injuries led to bad record. Running up our gut led to bad record. Lynn lost the team led to a bad record. LOTS of variables for a season that hasn't even been played yet. Right- there are lots of reasons for losing but in this QB to QB scenario I supposed it was all related to QB play. If Herbert starts and we go 16-0 we aren't in a position to take Lawrence, nor would we want to! And if we go 0-16 because of poor coaching (that's a real thing!) and Herbert never sees the field (bad coaching remember?) then yes we take Lawrence in this scenario. And if we go 0-16 with Herbert starting and his play is AMAZING but injuries and bad coaching are the reason we lost, then we still take Lawrence because you are what your record says you are! And the new coaching staff will want 'their' guy because after an 0-16 season the GM and coaches are all fired. For the record, I hope we are picking 32nd next year! I say you pick him no matter what just to get 10 more draft picks or stellar trades in return for either him or Herbert.
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Post by totallybolted on Apr 28, 2020 12:12:45 GMT -7
It's logical. Provided it all played out that way. Team injuries led to bad record. Running up our gut led to bad record. Lynn lost the team led to a bad record. LOTS of variables for a season that hasn't even been played yet. Right- there are lots of reasons for losing but in this QB to QB scenario I supposed it was all related to QB play. If Herbert starts and we go 16-0 we aren't in a position to take Lawrence, nor would we want to! And if we go 0-16 because of poor coaching (that's a real thing!) and Herbert never sees the field (bad coaching remember?) then yes we take Lawrence in this scenario. And if we go 0-16 with Herbert starting and his play is AMAZING but injuries and bad coaching are the reason we lost, then we still take Lawrence because you are what your record says you are! And the new coaching staff will want 'their' guy because after an 0-16 season the GM and coaches are all fired. For the record, I hope we are picking 32nd next year! Actually wouldn't it be 0-17 or 1-16 this year?
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