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Post by fouts2herbert on Feb 7, 2021 15:05:59 GMT -7
Yes, a fan is all I’ve ever been and will ever be, I have no professional experience of any kind and I will never claim otherwise. So absolutely, my opinions and observations are very flawed and limited because I live in a fans world on the outside looking in. I read the same stuff that’s available to everyone and I have no inside information of any kind. as for ‘hating’ Mike Williams, even in the post you quoted I wrote that I love the kid and I think I wrote that in another previous post too. I genuinely enjoy watching him too, but I wish he was more like Kennan Allen and maybe it’s unfair to hold him to that standard. Allen is a perfectionist and is constantly striving to perfect everything about his game. Mike is just not that ambitious, he’s perfectly happy to get by on his god given talent which is undeniably off the charts. Imagine for one second if Mike approached his craft the same way Kennan does, I think we’d be talking about him as one of the best players in the entire league. The 'flaw' has nothing to do with professional experience, or insider information, it is about believing the moves made by club has anything to do with getting any single player what they 'deserve'..... GM's make moves, as do HC's, to find success, which is usually defined as winning. Obviously GM's deal with long term fiscal decisions as well, such as managing player signings with regard to the cap, but even then it is all about positioning for success. I ask you this: When signing one of those polished WR's this next FA period, are you paying for the past, or the future? The MW comment wasn't specifically directed at you, much more of a general reflection about MW's time as a Bolt and how many Bolt fans are disappointed in him. It is unwise to forget that these players are humans, and as such bring differing personalities to the mix. I get you believe MW is lazy (I know you did not say that, but you certainly implied it), and think KA is the definition of driven, but trust me both players have had their moments.....both in the positive and negative. For me, I think of two words every time I see KA's name......talented and petulant. No, I don’t think he’s lazy, I only meant he’s not as ambitious as compared to Kennan. Mike has never been out of shape or anything like that (jamarcus russell?). He’s obviously putting in the time in the gym and with his diet and probably the jugs machine because he catches everything. I think what Kennan does goes beyond a large percentage of the WRs in the league. That’s why I said it might be unfair to hold Mike up to that standard. Allen puts in hundreds of hours watching film and studying his opponents, then he also spends hundreds of hours perfecting his route running and technique. He’s also been putting in extra work with Charger QBs and with guys like guyton and johnson. The guy is a football junkie. Non of that means that Mike is lazy, it just means he draws a line with how much he’s willing to put into it, he shows up and gives everything he has when he’s getting paid. I’m not going to judge any player for not eating, sleeping, and breathing football because I’ve never in my life been that dedicated to anything.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 7, 2021 16:05:43 GMT -7
The 'flaw' has nothing to do with professional experience, or insider information, it is about believing the moves made by club has anything to do with getting any single player what they 'deserve'..... GM's make moves, as do HC's, to find success, which is usually defined as winning. Obviously GM's deal with long term fiscal decisions as well, such as managing player signings with regard to the cap, but even then it is all about positioning for success. I ask you this: When signing one of those polished WR's this next FA period, are you paying for the past, or the future? The MW comment wasn't specifically directed at you, much more of a general reflection about MW's time as a Bolt and how many Bolt fans are disappointed in him. It is unwise to forget that these players are humans, and as such bring differing personalities to the mix. I get you believe MW is lazy (I know you did not say that, but you certainly implied it), and think KA is the definition of driven, but trust me both players have had their moments.....both in the positive and negative. For me, I think of two words every time I see KA's name......talented and petulant. No, I don’t think he’s lazy, I only meant he’s not as ambitious as compared to Kennan. Mike has never been out of shape or anything like that (jamarcus russell?). He’s obviously putting in the time in the gym and with his diet and probably the jugs machine because he catches everything. I think what Kennan does goes beyond a large percentage of the WRs in the league. That’s why I said it might be unfair to hold Mike up to that standard. Allen puts in hundreds of hours watching film and studying his opponents, then he also spends hundreds of hours perfecting his route running and technique. He’s also been putting in extra work with Charger QBs and with guys like guyton and johnson. The guy is a football junkie. Non of that means that Mike is lazy, it just means he draws a line with how much he’s willing to put into it, he shows up and gives everything he has when he’s getting paid. I’m not going to judge any player for not eating, sleeping, and breathing football because I’ve never in my life been that dedicated to anything. While you are unlikely to admit it, you just judged MW.......all while judging KA......and that is completely acceptable. You are a fan.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Feb 8, 2021 14:54:32 GMT -7
/agreed Comparing HH to some of the elite TE's in the league is a bit unfair... True but when his pay rate to resign him approaches the level of the elites and he does not have nor show the ability to be in the elite class is why I say let him go. It's just smart cap management.
It’ll be interesting to see where his market value ends up, even with his injury reputation he has leverage because of his age and the general lack of talented TEs to choose from in FA and you could argue only 2-4 guys in the draft could potentially become stars. it’s the lack of talent at his position that plays a part in driving up his value and even though he’s a level below the elite guys he’s still a level above most of the TEs in the NFL and that combination plus his age/experience makes him very valuable. I think he’s worth keeping or at least tagging and potentially getting something for him, I wouldn’t just let him walk. I’m not concerned over the injury thing, we’ve had other players in the past that were hit by injury early in their careers, got that reputation, and then blossomed into regular starters. I like Hunter, my only complaint has been the inconsistency in his blocking. But the money is what is, higher level talent will always get paid an ever increasing amount. It’s the arms race deal driven by ownership as they compete for talent, I feel some of the time the owners pay some players even more than they ask for just to affect other teams abilities to sign their own people.
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Post by joemcrugby on Feb 8, 2021 23:05:48 GMT -7
True but when his pay rate to resign him approaches the level of the elites and he does not have nor show the ability to be in the elite class is why I say let him go. It's just smart cap management.
It’ll be interesting to see where his market value ends up, even with his injury reputation he has leverage because of his age and the general lack of talented TEs to choose from in FA and you could argue only 2-4 guys in the draft could potentially become stars. it’s the lack of talent at his position that plays a part in driving up his value and even though he’s a level below the elite guys he’s still a level above most of the TEs in the NFL and that combination plus his age/experience makes him very valuable. I think he’s worth keeping or at least tagging and potentially getting something for him, I wouldn’t just let him walk. I’m not concerned over the injury thing, we’ve had other players in the past that were hit by injury early in their careers, got that reputation, and then blossomed into regular starters. I like Hunter, my only complaint has been the inconsistency in his blocking. But the money is what is, higher level talent will always get paid an ever increasing amount. It’s the arms race deal driven by ownership as they compete for talent, I feel some of the time the owners pay some players even more than they ask for just to affect other teams abilities to sign their own people. What I believe will dampen his free agent price is twofold: (1) the lower market price for TE’s, and (2) more importantly the large shrinkage in the salary cap for the 2021 season. I’ll be surprised if he gets / signs an offer that has an average salary equal to what he made in 2020. We’ll find out soon enough. 🍺 |
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Post by fouts2herbert on Feb 11, 2021 18:47:41 GMT -7
It’ll be interesting to see where his market value ends up, even with his injury reputation he has leverage because of his age and the general lack of talented TEs to choose from in FA and you could argue only 2-4 guys in the draft could potentially become stars. it’s the lack of talent at his position that plays a part in driving up his value and even though he’s a level below the elite guys he’s still a level above most of the TEs in the NFL and that combination plus his age/experience makes him very valuable. I think he’s worth keeping or at least tagging and potentially getting something for him, I wouldn’t just let him walk. I’m not concerned over the injury thing, we’ve had other players in the past that were hit by injury early in their careers, got that reputation, and then blossomed into regular starters. I like Hunter, my only complaint has been the inconsistency in his blocking. But the money is what is, higher level talent will always get paid an ever increasing amount. It’s the arms race deal driven by ownership as they compete for talent, I feel some of the time the owners pay some players even more than they ask for just to affect other teams abilities to sign their own people. What I believe will dampen his free agent price is twofold: (1) the lower market price for TE’s, and (2) more importantly the large shrinkage in the salary cap for the 2021 season. I’ll be surprised if he gets / signs an offer that has an average salary equal to what he made in 2020. We’ll find out soon enough. 🍺 I always root for the players to get the best deal they can even if it means they go someplace else, I understand the team needs to do what makes the most sense for the Chargers longterm but I’m hopeful that he’ll want to stick around now that he's gotten a taste of playing with Herbert. Look how much money Kelce left on the table in KC just to stick around with Mahomes. Not holding my breath but hopefully something that benefits everyone involved comes from it.
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Post by boltnut on Feb 11, 2021 20:00:41 GMT -7
I've always liked Hunter Henry. I've always felt that it was a shame that (because of poor OT's) he had to pass block as much as he has. Both Kelce and Kittle haven't had to pass block like Henry (both having good OT's on their rosters). The only year that the Chargers had a decent pair of OT's (2018) Hunter was hurt.
I think HH is a 70 receptions kind of TE. With KA on the field, HH will always be the #2 receiving target... limiting his targets. Herbert seemed to look his way often this year (his targets climbed dramatically to 93). And Lombardi has always involved his TE's in the passing game. Now that Kevin Koger is on the staff, HH could explode. $10-12 million could end up being a steal. The talent is there... is the opportunity?
If he hits the free market, expect Belichick to snap him up. Do we really want another position to fill in this draft. You've got your stud QB on a rookie contract... go for it!
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Post by boltnut on Feb 11, 2021 20:09:55 GMT -7
I wasn't happy with the Mike Williams pick @#7. He's a good receiver with obvious skills as a jump ball, red zone target. But in this offense, he's still a number 3 target. $15.6 million is just too much. There are some big, physical WR's in this draft that could fill that role (2nd day of the draft). If TT could trade MW for a 3rd rounder (Jets/Bengals)... I'd trade him.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 12, 2021 8:02:55 GMT -7
I've always liked Hunter Henry. I've always felt that it was a shame that (because of poor OT's) he had to pass block as much as he has. Both Kelce and Kittle haven't had to pass block like Henry (both having good OT's on their rosters). The only year that the Chargers had a decent pair of OT's (2018) Hunter was hurt. I think HH is a 70 receptions kind of TE. With KA on the field, HH will always be the #2 receiving target... limiting his targets. Herbert seemed to look his way often this year (his targets climbed dramatically to 93). And Lombardi has always involved his TE's in the passing game. Now that Kevin Koger is on the staff, HH could explode. $10-12 million could end up being a steal. The talent is there... is the opportunity?If he hits the free market, expect Belichick to snap him up. Do we really want another position to fill in this draft. You've got your stud QB on a rookie contract... go for it! The bold above is how I view the HH situation...... I also feel the value in eliminating one more task, but clearly the cost/term needs to work. Resigning HH is preferred, but we shall see.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 12, 2021 8:06:01 GMT -7
I wasn't happy with the Mike Williams pick @#7. He's a good receiver with obvious skills as a jump ball, red zone target. But in this offense, he's still a number 3 target. $15.6 million is just too much. There are some big, physical WR's in this draft that could fill that role (2nd day of the draft). If TT could trade MW for a 3rd rounder (Jets/Bengals)... I'd trade him. In what offence are you referring? The Lynn version, or the one coming? The one that has all this 'innovation' might be completely different.
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 12, 2021 8:32:02 GMT -7
I wasn't happy with the Mike Williams pick @#7. He's a good receiver with obvious skills as a jump ball, red zone target. But in this offense, he's still a number 3 target. $15.6 million is just too much. There are some big, physical WR's in this draft that could fill that role (2nd day of the draft). If TT could trade MW for a 3rd rounder (Jets/Bengals)... I'd trade him. In what offence are you referring? The Lynn version, or the one coming? The one that has all this 'innovation' might be completely different. He means in this roster's offense. Also, they are not wholesale changing this offense at all. The offense produced, and you do not want to change what just got your QB Rookie of the Year. We aren't switching to running the option out there for heavens sake !!!
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Post by jwr10x on Feb 12, 2021 8:51:05 GMT -7
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 12, 2021 9:13:37 GMT -7
In what offence are you referring? The Lynn version, or the one coming? The one that has all this 'innovation' might be completely different. He means in this roster's offense. Also, they are not wholesale changing this offense at all. The offense produced, and you do not want to change what just got your QB Rookie of the Year. We aren't switching to running the option out there for heavens sake !!! What baloney......^ Change is coming, and there will be players that benefit from the change, and those that do not.
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 12, 2021 9:17:35 GMT -7
He means in this roster's offense. Also, they are not wholesale changing this offense at all. The offense produced, and you do not want to change what just got your QB Rookie of the Year. We aren't switching to running the option out there for heavens sake !!! What baloney......^ Change is coming, and there will be players that benefit from the change, and those that do not. Does Canada have a bologna version ? Like Canadian Bacon ??
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 12, 2021 9:42:50 GMT -7
What baloney......^ Change is coming, and there will be players that benefit from the change, and those that do not. Does Canada have a bologna version ? Like Canadian Bacon ?? Ring Bologna......but I would not let you eat it, much less actually eat it myself. Think TT goes after JJ Watt?
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Post by moekid on Feb 12, 2021 9:45:42 GMT -7
Go get him TT. Leader, anchor, still has gas in the tank |
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