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Post by afboltfan on Mar 28, 2021 3:37:09 GMT -7
Most definetley, but lets not lose sight of the big picture... I'm simply defending my reasoning for TJ being a "surprise" player this coming season. Yea I think MW is totally overrated by some fans on this board, but I also understand his role on the team and his place on the depth chart. TJ is a complimentary WR......might become more than, but to do so would require opportunity, and that means no KA or MW around......not good, eh? I politely suggest you use your 'understanding' to temper your comments about MW. He fills the role he is asked to fill quite nicely. I'm going to politely tell you to ignore my posts if they bother you... You're taking this thread way to seriously goalie.
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 28, 2021 7:29:12 GMT -7
TJ is a complimentary WR......might become more than, but to do so would require opportunity, and that means no KA or MW around......not good, eh? I politely suggest you use your 'understanding' to temper your comments about MW. He fills the role he is asked to fill quite nicely. I'm going to politely tell you to ignore my posts if they bother you... You're taking this thread way to seriously goalie. Your posts do not bother me at all, and in most cases I find them entertaining at the very least. My suggestion merely reflects your acknowledgement that many factors are involved in the statistics achieved by all players, and to consider that when pounding the drum about how much of a 'one trick pony' MW is. If MW was anywhere near as poor of a WR as you believe, the Bolts would have replaced him with another WR, versus paying him !5+ million this next season. You are smart enough to see that.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Mar 28, 2021 9:17:09 GMT -7
I'm going to politely tell you to ignore my posts if they bother you... You're taking this thread way to seriously goalie. Your posts do not bother me at all, and in most cases I find them entertaining at the very least. My suggestion merely reflects your acknowledgement that many factors are involved in the statistics achieved by all players, and to consider that when pounding the drum about how much of a 'one trick pony' MW is. If MW was anywhere near as poor of a WR as you believe, the Bolts would have replaced him with another WR, versus paying him !5+ million this next season. You are smart enough to see that. I agree, and I’ve done this myself too. I was really down on MW getting almost 16m this upcoming season but then I went back and watched a lot of highlights, he draws double teams. That is valuable as hell and it tells me how much opposing defenses respect his game. The second reason I cooled my criticisms was seeing what other wide receivers got in FA and asking myself if I’d rather have those guys on the chargers. There wasn’t a single FA WR I’d rather see on the chargers of the guys that got big $, I take MW every time and don’t twice about it. sometimes because of how high he was drafted and because he’s been playing alongside KA I’ve taken MW for granted and so have many many charger fans. The guy is an explosive offensive weapon and a legit redzone threat. He’s not a one trick pony.
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Post by afboltfan on Mar 28, 2021 9:17:38 GMT -7
I'm going to politely tell you to ignore my posts if they bother you... You're taking this thread way to seriously goalie. Your posts do not bother me at all, and in most cases I find them entertaining at the very least. My suggestion merely reflects your acknowledgement that many factors are involved in the statistics achieved by all players, and to consider that when pounding the drum about how much of a 'one trick pony' MW is. If MW was anywhere near as poor of a WR as you believe, the Bolts would have replaced him with another WR, versus paying him !5+ million this next season. You are smart enough to see that. Exercising the 5th year option on MW in no way guarantees his status with the team next season. He needs to earn it, like I have been saying forever... Although you try to so eloquently dodge that portion of my posts and say I'm "pounding the drum", indeed MW needs to show us some combination of 2020's TD production, with 2019's yardage numbers. Then and only then would he be worth $15 million IMHO.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Mar 28, 2021 9:18:34 GMT -7
Damn! Now you guys have me talking about MWs too, LOL
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Post by afboltfan on Mar 28, 2021 9:25:08 GMT -7
Your posts do not bother me at all, and in most cases I find them entertaining at the very least. My suggestion merely reflects your acknowledgement that many factors are involved in the statistics achieved by all players, and to consider that when pounding the drum about how much of a 'one trick pony' MW is. If MW was anywhere near as poor of a WR as you believe, the Bolts would have replaced him with another WR, versus paying him !5+ million this next season. You are smart enough to see that. I agree, and I’ve done this myself too. I was really down on MW getting almost 16m this upcoming season but then I went back and watched a lot of highlights, he draws double teams. That is valuable as hell and it tells me how much opposing defenses respect his game. The second reason I cooled my criticisms was seeing what other wide receivers got in FA and asking myself if I’d rather have those guys on the chargers. There wasn’t a single FA WR I’d rather see on the chargers of the guys that got big $, I take MW every time and don’t twice about it. sometimes because of how high he was drafted and because he’s been playing alongside KA I’ve taken MW for granted and so have many many charger fans. The guy is an explosive offensive weapon and a legit redzone threat. He’s not a one trick pony. Just out of curiosity, what FA WR are you referring to? What is your idea of big $
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 28, 2021 9:36:30 GMT -7
Your posts do not bother me at all, and in most cases I find them entertaining at the very least. My suggestion merely reflects your acknowledgement that many factors are involved in the statistics achieved by all players, and to consider that when pounding the drum about how much of a 'one trick pony' MW is. If MW was anywhere near as poor of a WR as you believe, the Bolts would have replaced him with another WR, versus paying him !5+ million this next season. You are smart enough to see that. Exercising the 5th year option on MW in no way guarantees his status with the team next season. He needs to earn it, like I have been saying forever... Although you try to so eloquently dodge that portion of my posts and say I'm "pounding the drum", indeed MW needs to show us some combination of 2020's TD production, with 2019's yardage numbers. Then and only then would he be worth $15 million IMHO. Every player needs to earn continued employment, on a continuing basis. I am not dodging any aspect you bring up, rather I am recognizing that statistics alone do not tell the entire story. MW isn't worth 15.6 million a season, but he is a very good WR, hopefully there is an extension soon that brings that cost down while retaining MW for 4-5 years.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Mar 28, 2021 14:55:33 GMT -7
Exercising the 5th year option on MW in no way guarantees his status with the team next season. He needs to earn it, like I have been saying forever... Although you try to so eloquently dodge that portion of my posts and say I'm "pounding the drum", indeed MW needs to show us some combination of 2020's TD production, with 2019's yardage numbers. Then and only then would he be worth $15 million IMHO. Every player needs to earn continued employment, on a continuing basis. I am not dodging any aspect you bring up, rather I am recognizing that statistics alone do not tell the entire story. MW isn't worth 15.6 million a season, but he is a very good WR, hopefully there is an extension soon that brings that cost down while retaining MW for 4-5 years. If I’m his agent I’m telling him not sign anything and just play out the season. With the legal gambling revenue around the corner, there is no telling how high the cap will go, the cap could potentially increase by 100-150 million in the next couple of years, signing a 4-5 year deal now just doesn’t make sense to me.
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Post by joemcrugby on Mar 28, 2021 15:54:43 GMT -7
Every player needs to earn continued employment, on a continuing basis. I am not dodging any aspect you bring up, rather I am recognizing that statistics alone do not tell the entire story. MW isn't worth 15.6 million a season, but he is a very good WR, hopefully there is an extension soon that brings that cost down while retaining MW for 4-5 years. If I’m his agent I’m telling him not sign anything and just play out the season. With the legal gambling revenue around the corner, there is no telling how high the cap will go, the cap could potentially increase by 100-150 million in the next couple of years, signing a 4-5 year deal now just doesn’t make sense to me. That’s the black & white reading of the situation, but in the end the agent works for the client. There are ways to structure a deal that could benefit MDub and the franchise: for example, sign a three year restructured deal that gives MDub the money up front in the form of a signing bonus to spread the $15 million across three seasons, somewhat close to top tier years 2 and 3 salaries, and giving the Chargers an opt out deadline a week before 2022 free agency begins. In this scenario, the Chargers save $10 million in 2021 cap space, MDub gets his $15 million in 2021 and either gets a top-tier salary in 2022 or hits the free agent market just as he would under his current contract. It’s a win-win as I see it. We’ll see how it shakes out. |
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 28, 2021 19:47:04 GMT -7
Every player needs to earn continued employment, on a continuing basis. I am not dodging any aspect you bring up, rather I am recognizing that statistics alone do not tell the entire story. MW isn't worth 15.6 million a season, but he is a very good WR, hopefully there is an extension soon that brings that cost down while retaining MW for 4-5 years. If I’m his agent I’m telling him not sign anything and just play out the season. With the legal gambling revenue around the corner, there is no telling how high the cap will go, the cap could potentially increase by 100-150 million in the next couple of years, signing a 4-5 year deal now just doesn’t make sense to me. And the GM is saying 'Mike you need to be smart here, sign this deal that covers your future earnings. Remember the injury you had when coming into the league, you got by it, but next one maybe not. Take the money now.....bird in the hand and all'........ Over the years I have seen players take the gamble on themselves stance, and the hold out stance, and the happy to be a pro stance.....along with every variation you can imagine. In the end, the club will have their position, and the player theirs, finding common ground happens more often than not.
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Post by fouts2herbert on Mar 28, 2021 21:45:51 GMT -7
If I’m his agent I’m telling him not sign anything and just play out the season. With the legal gambling revenue around the corner, there is no telling how high the cap will go, the cap could potentially increase by 100-150 million in the next couple of years, signing a 4-5 year deal now just doesn’t make sense to me. That’s the black & white reading of the situation, but in the end the agent works for the client. There are ways to structure a deal that could benefit MDub and the franchise: for example, sign a three year restructured deal that gives MDub the money up front in the form of a signing bonus to spread the $15 million across three seasons, somewhat close to top tier years 2 and 3 salaries, and giving the Chargers an opt out deadline a week before 2022 free agency begins. In this scenario, the Chargers save $10 million in 2021 cap space, MDub gets his $15 million in 2021 and either gets a top-tier salary in 2022 or hits the free agent market just as he would under his current contract. It’s a win-win as I see it. We’ll see how it shakes out. I’ve noticed the chargers don’t do contracts like that, they don’t like to carry dead money on voidable years. But here is the kicker, ATM they don’t need to do this, accounting for the draft salary allocation they still have like 16 million left to spend in free agency if they want to. I think MW would be willing to do something like that for the team if they needed the cap space but it’s completely unnecessary unless you anticipate the chargers going on a crazy spending spree here in the later free agent waves. Are you thinking they have a big signing coming up?
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Post by joemcrugby on Mar 28, 2021 23:49:50 GMT -7
That’s the black & white reading of the situation, but in the end the agent works for the client. There are ways to structure a deal that could benefit MDub and the franchise: for example, sign a three year restructured deal that gives MDub the money up front in the form of a signing bonus to spread the $15 million across three seasons, somewhat close to top tier years 2 and 3 salaries, and giving the Chargers an opt out deadline a week before 2022 free agency begins. In this scenario, the Chargers save $10 million in 2021 cap space, MDub gets his $15 million in 2021 and either gets a top-tier salary in 2022 or hits the free agent market just as he would under his current contract. It’s a win-win as I see it. We’ll see how it shakes out. I’ve noticed the chargers don’t do contracts like that, they don’t like to carry dead money on voidable years. But here is the kicker, ATM they don’t need to do this, accounting for the draft salary allocation they still have like 16 million left to spend in free agency if they want to. I think MW would be willing to do something like that for the team if they needed the cap space but it’s completely unnecessary unless you anticipate the chargers going on a crazy spending spree here in the later free agent waves. Are you thinking they have a big signing coming up? I agree that it is not the normal way that Chargers do contracts, but 2021 is unlike any prior year of the cap era due to the present circumstances in the US. If they are confident that their LT target(s) will be available at the #13 pick, then I don't see them doing it. However, if they believe they might get shut out on their preferred target(s), then I could see them needing / using additional cap space in order to secure a trade or free agent tackle. We'll see what happens, but I don't see the Chargers shutting down any potential option to secure the left tackle position.
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Post by chargerfreak on Mar 29, 2021 1:54:30 GMT -7
Your posts do not bother me at all, and in most cases I find them entertaining at the very least. My suggestion merely reflects your acknowledgement that many factors are involved in the statistics achieved by all players, and to consider that when pounding the drum about how much of a 'one trick pony' MW is. If MW was anywhere near as poor of a WR as you believe, the Bolts would have replaced him with another WR, versus paying him !5+ million this next season. You are smart enough to see that. I agree, and I’ve done this myself too. I was really down on MW getting almost 16m this upcoming season but then I went back and watched a lot of highlights, he draws double teams. That is valuable as hell and it tells me how much opposing defenses respect his game. The second reason I cooled my criticisms was seeing what other wide receivers got in FA and asking myself if I’d rather have those guys on the chargers. There wasn’t a single FA WR I’d rather see on the chargers of the guys that got big $, I take MW every time and don’t twice about it. sometimes because of how high he was drafted and because he’s been playing alongside KA I’ve taken MW for granted and so have many many charger fans. The guy is an explosive offensive weapon and a legit redzone threat. He’s not a one trick pony. You mean a guy 7 feet tall running 40 yards down a sideline gets a safety to come over to help while the ball is lofted in the air towards him ? Wow. Must be some kind of new defense. Has never lived up to 7th overall draft pick. Is COMPLETELY overpaid at 15.6 mill. Forced into WR2 because we have nothing else. Is a WR3. REACT AS I DON'T GO BACK AND WATCH WHAT I ALREADY KNOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by chargerfreak on Mar 29, 2021 2:07:50 GMT -7
I’ve noticed the chargers don’t do contracts like that, they don’t like to carry dead money on voidable years. But here is the kicker, ATM they don’t need to do this, accounting for the draft salary allocation they still have like 16 million left to spend in free agency if they want to. I think MW would be willing to do something like that for the team if they needed the cap space but it’s completely unnecessary unless you anticipate the chargers going on a crazy spending spree here in the later free agent waves. Are you thinking they have a big signing coming up? I agree that it is not the normal way that Chargers do contracts, but 2021 is unlike any prior year of the cap era due to the present circumstances in the US. If they are confident that their LT target(s) will be available at the #13 pick, then I don't see them doing it. However, if they believe they might get shut out on their preferred target(s), then I could see them needing / using additional cap space in order to secure a trade or free agent tackle. We'll see what happens, but I don't see the Chargers shutting down any potential option to secure the left tackle position. we are SCREAMING OT at this point. We have added zero of them. Lost Tevi, and Lamp (emerg. RT) is floating around FA somewhere.
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Post by afboltfan on Mar 29, 2021 4:37:01 GMT -7
I agree, and I’ve done this myself too. I was really down on MW getting almost 16m this upcoming season but then I went back and watched a lot of highlights, he draws double teams. That is valuable as hell and it tells me how much opposing defenses respect his game. The second reason I cooled my criticisms was seeing what other wide receivers got in FA and asking myself if I’d rather have those guys on the chargers. There wasn’t a single FA WR I’d rather see on the chargers of the guys that got big $, I take MW every time and don’t twice about it. sometimes because of how high he was drafted and because he’s been playing alongside KA I’ve taken MW for granted and so have many many charger fans. The guy is an explosive offensive weapon and a legit redzone threat. He’s not a one trick pony. You mean a guy 7 feet tall running 40 yards down a sideline gets a safety to come over to help while the ball is lofted in the air towards him ? Wow. Must be some kind of new defense. Has never lived up to 7th overall draft pick. Is COMPLETELY overpaid at 15.6 mill. Forced into WR2 because we have nothing else. Is a WR3. REACT AS I DON'T GO BACK AND WATCH WHAT I ALREADY KNOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Careful they get offended if you talk trash about Mike Williams...
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