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Post by boltnut on Apr 18, 2019 17:29:45 GMT -7
Does pressure up the middle have to come from a 3-tech? Can't it come from a LB? That's the way Bradley used to do it in Seattle. How did Seattle go from 25th scoring defense (2009) to #1 scoring defense (2012)? Some of that came from better players (KJ Wright, Bobby Wagner, Kam Chancellor). But a lot of it came from a change in philosophy. How did the DL change under Bradley? 1) He brought in a giant DT/NT in Alan Branch. 2) Moved a 320 lb RDT (Red Bryant) to DE. 3) Moved Brandon Mebane from LDT to RDT. 4) Drafted Aaron Curry, then 3 years later, drafted Bruce Irvin as LB/DE. 5) Brought in LDE Chris Clemons.
Notice how big his DT's were? Mebane was the smallest @ 310 lbs. None of the DT's produced more than 3 sacks/year. What they did was provide stout run D and eat up blockers in the pass game. Chris Clemons was rarely double teamed on the outside. And Irvin frequently provided inside pass rush or stunted with Bryant. The LB's provided the inside pressure. And LB's were free on the 2nd level to run, chase, and cover.
If you look at 2011/12 Seattle roster, the 2019 Chargers have every piece (except that 340 lb NT).
LDE Chris Clemons = Bosa
LDT Branch = (missing)
RDT Mebane = Mebane
RDE Bryant = J. Jones
Edge LB Curry/Irvin = Ingram
What 4-man DL would look like:
LDE = Bosa
LDT = Dexter/Mebane
RDT = Mebane/Jones
RDE = Ingram
What 3-man DL would look like (per Woody's modern request)
LDE (4-tech) = Bosa
NT (0/1-tech) = Dexter/Mebane
RDE (4-tech) = Jones/McGill
Rush LB = Ingram
Look at how easily you can switch from 4-man DL to 3-man DL with a big RDE/NT. RDE/NT doesn't have to become a strictly 2-down player. No longer do you have to mass-substitute or call a timeout when down/distance changes and hurry-up offense causes TO's from DC to get the right package on the field.
Think outside the box, people. And look at your Gus-history. Gus even brought Branch and Bryant to Jax with him. Gus has been doing it without a lighter/leaner 3-tech for many years. Makes you versatile without sacrificing your run toughness and keeps your LB's clean and free to make plays.
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Post by frozendisc on Apr 19, 2019 8:23:03 GMT -7
Does pressure up the middle have to come from a 3-tech? Can't it come from a LB? That's the way Bradley used to do it in Seattle. How did Seattle go from 25th scoring defense (2009) to #1 scoring defense (2012)? Some of that came from better players (KJ Wright, Bobby Wagner, Kam Chancellor). But a lot of it came from a change in philosophy. How did the DL change under Bradley? 1) He brought in a giant DT/NT in Alan Branch. 2) Moved a 320 lb RDT (Red Bryant) to DE. 3) Moved Brandon Mebane from LDT to RDT. 4) Drafted Aaron Curry, then 3 years later, drafted Bruce Irvin as LB/DE. 5) Brought in LDE Chris Clemons. Notice how big his DT's were? Mebane was the smallest @ 310 lbs. None of the DT's produced more than 3 sacks/year. What they did was provide stout run D and eat up blockers in the pass game. Chris Clemons was rarely double teamed on the outside. And Irvin frequently provided inside pass rush or stunted with Bryant. The LB's provided the inside pressure. And LB's were free on the 2nd level to run, chase, and cover. If you look at 2011/12 Seattle roster, the 2019 Chargers have every piece (except that 340 lb NT). LDE Chris Clemons = Bosa LDT Branch = (missing) RDT Mebane = Mebane RDE Bryant = J. Jones Edge LB Curry/Irvin = Ingram What 4-man DL would look like: LDE = Bosa LDT = Dexter/Mebane RDT = Mebane/Jones RDE = Ingram What 3-man DL would look like (per Woody's modern request) LDE (4-tech) = Bosa NT (0/1-tech) = Dexter/Mebane RDE (4-tech) = Jones/McGill Rush LB = Ingram Look at how easily you can switch from 4-man DL to 3-man DL with a big RDE/NT. RDE/NT doesn't have to become a strictly 2-down player. No longer do you have to mass-substitute or call a timeout when down/distance changes and hurry-up offense causes TO's from DC to get the right package on the field. Think outside the box, people. And look at your Gus-history. Gus even brought Branch and Bryant to Jax with him. Gus has been doing it without a lighter/leaner 3-tech for many years. Makes you versatile without sacrificing your run toughness and keeps your LB's clean and free to make plays. Boltnut advocating for a Dexter Lawrence pick......and doing a pretty solid job of it. We will all know soon.....
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 19, 2019 9:02:29 GMT -7
Does pressure up the middle have to come from a 3-tech? Can't it come from a LB? That's the way Bradley used to do it in Seattle. How did Seattle go from 25th scoring defense (2009) to #1 scoring defense (2012)? Some of that came from better players (KJ Wright, Bobby Wagner, Kam Chancellor). But a lot of it came from a change in philosophy. How did the DL change under Bradley? 1) He brought in a giant DT/NT in Alan Branch. 2) Moved a 320 lb RDT (Red Bryant) to DE. 3) Moved Brandon Mebane from LDT to RDT. 4) Drafted Aaron Curry, then 3 years later, drafted Bruce Irvin as LB/DE. 5) Brought in LDE Chris Clemons. Notice how big his DT's were? Mebane was the smallest @ 310 lbs. None of the DT's produced more than 3 sacks/year. What they did was provide stout run D and eat up blockers in the pass game. Chris Clemons was rarely double teamed on the outside. And Irvin frequently provided inside pass rush or stunted with Bryant. The LB's provided the inside pressure. And LB's were free on the 2nd level to run, chase, and cover. If you look at 2011/12 Seattle roster, the 2019 Chargers have every piece (except that 340 lb NT). LDE Chris Clemons = Bosa LDT Branch = (missing) RDT Mebane = Mebane RDE Bryant = J. Jones Edge LB Curry/Irvin = Ingram What 4-man DL would look like: LDE = Bosa LDT = Dexter/Mebane RDT = Mebane/Jones RDE = Ingram What 3-man DL would look like (per Woody's modern request) LDE (4-tech) = Bosa NT (0/1-tech) = Dexter/Mebane RDE (4-tech) = Jones/McGill Rush LB = Ingram Look at how easily you can switch from 4-man DL to 3-man DL with a big RDE/NT. RDE/NT doesn't have to become a strictly 2-down player. No longer do you have to mass-substitute or call a timeout when down/distance changes and hurry-up offense causes TO's from DC to get the right package on the field. Think outside the box, people. And look at your Gus-history. Gus even brought Branch and Bryant to Jax with him. Gus has been doing it without a lighter/leaner 3-tech for many years. Makes you versatile without sacrificing your run toughness and keeps your LB's clean and free to make plays. Boltnut advocating for a Dexter Lawrence pick......and doing a pretty solid job of it. We will all know soon..... Can he advocate how early he is gone ? Long gone by 28. .......I see Simmons being talked about in the first round. Do I really want the 4th taken DT in the draft in the first round ? Tore ACL before combine. No. No I don't.
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Post by frozendisc on Apr 19, 2019 9:17:44 GMT -7
Boltnut advocating for a Dexter Lawrence pick......and doing a pretty solid job of it. We will all know soon..... Can he advocate how early he is gone ? Long gone by 28. .......I see Simmons being talked about in the first round. Do I really want the 4th best DT in the draft in the first round ? No. No I don't. Lawrence is all over the projection map, as I have seen him mocked mid 1st rd, as well as late 2nd rd..... I don't put much belief into any of these mocks, so it really just comes down to his talent, which is pretty darn good. I think he is there when TT picks......
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 19, 2019 9:35:17 GMT -7
Freak's 1st Round Cluster
Best DT/ fallen ?
Cody Ford T/G
McGary, Kaleb, OL, Washington
Greedy Williams CB for what Verrett should have been.
Rock Ya Sin CB
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 19, 2019 9:37:21 GMT -7
Can he advocate how early he is gone ? Long gone by 28. .......I see Simmons being talked about in the first round. Do I really want the 4th best DT in the draft in the first round ? No. No I don't. Lawrence is all over the projection map, as I have seen him mocked mid 1st rd, as well as late 2nd rd..... I don't put much belief into any of these mocks, so it really just comes down to his talent, which is pretty darn good. I think he is there when TT picks...... If he's there, Draft him.
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Post by Chargeroo on Apr 19, 2019 10:10:49 GMT -7
DJ mocks the Bolts to take a CB at 28 and thinks Lawrence will go to the Patriots at 32.
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Post by sonorajim on Apr 19, 2019 11:32:54 GMT -7
Does pressure up the middle have to come from a 3-tech? Can't it come from a LB? That's the way Bradley used to do it in Seattle. How did Seattle go from 25th scoring defense (2009) to #1 scoring defense (2012)? Some of that came from better players (KJ Wright, Bobby Wagner, Kam Chancellor). But a lot of it came from a change in philosophy. How did the DL change under Bradley? 1) He brought in a giant DT/NT in Alan Branch. 2) Moved a 320 lb RDT (Red Bryant) to DE. 3) Moved Brandon Mebane from LDT to RDT. 4) Drafted Aaron Curry, then 3 years later, drafted Bruce Irvin as LB/DE. 5) Brought in LDE Chris Clemons. Notice how big his DT's were? Mebane was the smallest @ 310 lbs. None of the DT's produced more than 3 sacks/year. What they did was provide stout run D and eat up blockers in the pass game. Chris Clemons was rarely double teamed on the outside. And Irvin frequently provided inside pass rush or stunted with Bryant. The LB's provided the inside pressure. And LB's were free on the 2nd level to run, chase, and cover. If you look at 2011/12 Seattle roster, the 2019 Chargers have every piece (except that 340 lb NT). LDE Chris Clemons = Bosa LDT Branch = (missing) RDT Mebane = Mebane RDE Bryant = J. Jones Edge LB Curry/Irvin = Ingram What 4-man DL would look like: LDE = Bosa LDT = Dexter/Mebane RDT = Mebane/Jones RDE = Ingram What 3-man DL would look like (per Woody's modern request) LDE (4-tech) = Bosa NT (0/1-tech) = Dexter/Mebane RDE (4-tech) = Jones/McGill Rush LB = Ingram Look at how easily you can switch from 4-man DL to 3-man DL with a big RDE/NT. RDE/NT doesn't have to become a strictly 2-down player. No longer do you have to mass-substitute or call a timeout when down/distance changes and hurry-up offense causes TO's from DC to get the right package on the field. Think outside the box, people. And look at your Gus-history. Gus even brought Branch and Bryant to Jax with him. Gus has been doing it without a lighter/leaner 3-tech for many years. Makes you versatile without sacrificing your run toughness and keeps your LB's clean and free to make plays. No way a top 3T doesn't make our DL better but if a NT is the most talented player avail at 28, so be it. Dex is in my cluster. So are a lot of O & D players. We'll just have to see how the earlier picks go and if TT finds a trade partner he likes, up or down. I can't imagine being locked in on one guy with #28. I have thoughts all over the place. 
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Post by frozendisc on Apr 19, 2019 18:29:09 GMT -7
Lawrence is all over the projection map, as I have seen him mocked mid 1st rd, as well as late 2nd rd..... I don't put much belief into any of these mocks, so it really just comes down to his talent, which is pretty darn good. I think he is there when TT picks...... If he's there, Draft him. Depends on who you are not drafting......and there will be some quality options.
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Post by sonorajim on Apr 19, 2019 18:42:29 GMT -7
Does pressure up the middle have to come from a 3-tech? Can't it come from a LB? That's the way Bradley used to do it in Seattle. How did Seattle go from 25th scoring defense (2009) to #1 scoring defense (2012)? Some of that came from better players (KJ Wright, Bobby Wagner, Kam Chancellor). But a lot of it came from a change in philosophy. How did the DL change under Bradley? 1) He brought in a giant DT/NT in Alan Branch. 2) Moved a 320 lb RDT (Red Bryant) to DE. 3) Moved Brandon Mebane from LDT to RDT. 4) Drafted Aaron Curry, then 3 years later, drafted Bruce Irvin as LB/DE. 5) Brought in LDE Chris Clemons. Notice how big his DT's were? Mebane was the smallest @ 310 lbs. None of the DT's produced more than 3 sacks/year. What they did was provide stout run D and eat up blockers in the pass game. Chris Clemons was rarely double teamed on the outside. And Irvin frequently provided inside pass rush or stunted with Bryant. The LB's provided the inside pressure. And LB's were free on the 2nd level to run, chase, and cover. If you look at 2011/12 Seattle roster, the 2019 Chargers have every piece (except that 340 lb NT). LDE Chris Clemons = Bosa LDT Branch = (missing) RDT Mebane = Mebane RDE Bryant = J. Jones Edge LB Curry/Irvin = Ingram What 4-man DL would look like: LDE = Bosa LDT = Dexter/Mebane RDT = Mebane/Jones RDE = Ingram What 3-man DL would look like (per Woody's modern request) LDE (4-tech) = Bosa NT (0/1-tech) = Dexter/Mebane RDE (4-tech) = Jones/McGill Rush LB = Ingram Look at how easily you can switch from 4-man DL to 3-man DL with a big RDE/NT. RDE/NT doesn't have to become a strictly 2-down player. No longer do you have to mass-substitute or call a timeout when down/distance changes and hurry-up offense causes TO's from DC to get the right package on the field. Think outside the box, people. And look at your Gus-history. Gus even brought Branch and Bryant to Jax with him. Gus has been doing it without a lighter/leaner 3-tech for many years. Makes you versatile without sacrificing your run toughness and keeps your LB's clean and free to make plays. No way a top 3T doesn't make our DL better but if a NT is the most talented player avail at 28, so be it. Dex is in my cluster. So are a lot of O & D players. We'll just have to see how the earlier picks go and if TT finds a trade partner he likes, up or down. I can't imagine being locked in on one guy with #28. I have thoughts all over the place. Gus usually pairs a 300-310 NT with a 290-300 3T. Branch was his LEO. Bryant was the LDE. * The five 3Ts I most favor at #28 weigh 285-315. Not exactly light/lean. They are big, powerhul guys that move really well. The lightest, 6-2, 285 Ed Oliver is a monster in strength, explosion. There's a small chance he may drop due to teams not being sure where to play him. 3T, NT, DE, OLB? I might trade up a few slots if he gets close enough.
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 20, 2019 2:42:35 GMT -7
If he's there, Draft him. Depends on who you are not drafting......and there will be some quality options. I might draft him just to stop New England from drafting him !!!!!
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Post by moekid on Apr 20, 2019 10:07:50 GMT -7
Depends on who you are not drafting......and there will be some quality options. I might draft him just to stop New England from drafting him !!!!! That strategy got us Larry English |
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Post by sonorajim on Apr 20, 2019 11:15:29 GMT -7
I might draft him just to stop New England from drafting him !!!!! That strategy got us Larry English Larry had big sack numbers as a college DE, got hurt a lot, wasn't very good as an NFL OLB. Tch, tch, for shame AJ! One of his many poor decisions.
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Post by chargerfreak on Apr 21, 2019 2:36:18 GMT -7
I might draft him just to stop New England from drafting him !!!!! That strategy got us Larry English One of the original Sammy Small School lessons that the CMB refuses to learn. Meh, the Emp. will keep trying.
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Post by moekid on Apr 21, 2019 10:38:21 GMT -7
We have to go DL
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