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Post by frozendisc on Mar 15, 2019 18:02:08 GMT -7
I would not get overly excited, as we had one great safety (James) and the rest were nothing special. Phillips fills a unique role. He's back on a one-year deal because it is highly unlikely that he received a multiyear deal approaching a starter's salary. They still need a free safety (likely via the draft), but Phillips was a darned good player for the Chargers in 2018 and I expect the same in 2019. AP was a very good ST's player for the Bolts, and just an average safety.....might be why there is little interest outside of TT's tepid interest. Glad to have him back, but he is not the solution at safety, now or in the future. TT needs to draft that guy still....
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Post by joemcrugby on Mar 15, 2019 18:07:10 GMT -7
Phillips fills a unique role. He's back on a one-year deal because it is highly unlikely that he received a multiyear deal approaching a starter's salary. They still need a free safety (likely via the draft), but Phillips was a darned good player for the Chargers in 2018 and I expect the same in 2019. AP was a very good ST's player for the Bolts, and just an average safety.....might be why there is little interest outside of TT's tepid interest. Glad to have him back, but he is not the solution at safety, now or in the future. TT needs to draft that guy still.... AP wasn't just a safety. Outside of special teams, his biggest role was playing a hybrid LB / safety in Gus' defense. I don't see him as a starting safety either, but he and his agent are certainly looking to get somebody to bite on a starter-money contract before he approaches the 30-year-old mark. If nobody is willing to tender him a multi-year deal at the price that he's looking for following the 2019 season, I can see him being willing to sign a multi-year at a price that reflects his multi-task abilities.
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Post by moekid on Mar 15, 2019 18:08:11 GMT -7
Phillips fills a unique role. He's back on a one-year deal because it is highly unlikely that he received a multiyear deal approaching a starter's salary. They still need a free safety (likely via the draft), but Phillips was a darned good player for the Chargers in 2018 and I expect the same in 2019. AP was a very good ST's player for the Bolts, and just an average safety.....might be why there is little interest outside of TT's tepid interest. Glad to have him back, but he is not the solution at safety, now or in the future. TT needs to draft that guy still.... He doesn't play as a traditional safety is gus d's so-called "modern defense". He's a hybrid. more like a LB'er.
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 15, 2019 18:15:28 GMT -7
AP was a very good ST's player for the Bolts, and just an average safety.....might be why there is little interest outside of TT's tepid interest. Glad to have him back, but he is not the solution at safety, now or in the future. TT needs to draft that guy still.... He doesn't play as a traditional safety is gus d's so-called "modern defense". He's a hybrid. more like a LB'er. He is a ST's player predominately...... You guys can describe him in any fashion you like, bottom line is nobody offered much to sign him, so he stayed on a team friendly deal. He is 28, not going to suddenly become Derwin James.....he is what he is, nothing special.
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 15, 2019 18:20:18 GMT -7
AP was a very good ST's player for the Bolts, and just an average safety.....might be why there is little interest outside of TT's tepid interest. Glad to have him back, but he is not the solution at safety, now or in the future. TT needs to draft that guy still.... AP wasn't just a safety. Outside of special teams, his biggest role was playing a hybrid LB / safety in Gus' defense. I don't see him as a starting safety either, but he and his agent are certainly looking to get somebody to bite on a starter-money contract before he approaches the 30-year-old mark. If nobody is willing to tender him a multi-year deal at the price that he's looking for following the 2019 season, I can see him being willing to sign a multi-year at a price that reflects his multi-task abilities. Nobody sees him as a stater at safety......he is a ST's player and a basic reserve player. Every team needs players like that, and I am glad we we signed him, but don't make the signing more than what it is.
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Post by joemcrugby on Mar 15, 2019 18:24:18 GMT -7
He doesn't play as a traditional safety is gus d's so-called "modern defense". He's a hybrid. more like a LB'er. He is a ST's player predominately...... You guys can describe him in any fashion you like, bottom line is nobody offered much to sign him, so he stayed on a team friendly deal. He is 28, not going to suddenly become Derwin James.....he is what he is, nothing special. And he fills a unique role in Gus Bradley's defensive system. It makes no sense for AP to leave if nobody is offering him starter money (and nobody obviously has), and next season will be his last chance to get a starter's contract from a gullible franchise (Raiduhs/Redskins et al. anybody???). If AP stays healthy, plays at a similar level in his different roles in 2019, and nobody is willing to throw him starter's money (I doubt that it will happen), then I can see him signing a multi-year deal with the Bolts in 2020 that gives him more upfront money but keeps him locked up for multiyears.
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Post by joemcrugby on Mar 15, 2019 18:30:16 GMT -7
AP wasn't just a safety. Outside of special teams, his biggest role was playing a hybrid LB / safety in Gus' defense. I don't see him as a starting safety either, but he and his agent are certainly looking to get somebody to bite on a starter-money contract before he approaches the 30-year-old mark. If nobody is willing to tender him a multi-year deal at the price that he's looking for following the 2019 season, I can see him being willing to sign a multi-year at a price that reflects his multi-task abilities. Nobody sees him as a stater at safety......he is a ST's player and a basic reserve player. Every team needs players like that, and I am glad we we signed him, but don't make the signing more than what it is. AP would have signed a multi-year deal for more upfront guaranteed money had he and his agent seen AP as not being a starter at safety, so that's not "nobody". I am just trying to explain why it's only a one-year deal: It's not that the Chargers don't see him as being worthy to offer a multi-year deal; rather, AP is betting on himself and he's hoping to get a bite in 2019. I don't believe that it's likely, but I'm not an NFL talent scout ... nor an owner who has been known to throw money at Pro Bowl names at the disregard of their personnel staff.
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 15, 2019 18:30:32 GMT -7
He is a ST's player predominately...... You guys can describe him in any fashion you like, bottom line is nobody offered much to sign him, so he stayed on a team friendly deal. He is 28, not going to suddenly become Derwin James.....he is what he is, nothing special.
It makes no sense for AP to leave if nobody is offering him starter money (and nobody obviously has), and next season will be his last chance to get a starter's contract from a gullible franchise (Raiduhs/Redskins et al. anybody???). If AP stays healthy, plays at a similar level in his different roles in 2019, and nobody is willing to throw him starter's money (I doubt that it will happen), then I can see him signing a multi-year deal with the Bolts in 2020 that gives him more upfront money but keeps him locked up for multiyears. He is no big player in Gus' defence, he is a big player in the ST's scheme. Nobody is going to offer him big money/term, he isn't talented enough, and will be 29.....it is a young mans game.
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Post by joemcrugby on Mar 15, 2019 18:36:05 GMT -7
And he fills a unique role in Gus Bradley's defensive system.
It makes no sense for AP to leave if nobody is offering him starter money (and nobody obviously has), and next season will be his last chance to get a starter's contract from a gullible franchise (Raiduhs/Redskins et al. anybody???). If AP stays healthy, plays at a similar level in his different roles in 2019, and nobody is willing to throw him starter's money (I doubt that it will happen), then I can see him signing a multi-year deal with the Bolts in 2020 that gives him more upfront money but keeps him locked up for multiyears. He is no big player in Gus' defence, he is a big player in the ST's scheme. Nobody is going to offer him big money/term, he isn't talented enough, and will be 29.....it is a young mans game. As I have just explained a minute ago, and explained the reasoning behind my posts. Do you really believe that the Chargers only offered him a "take it or leave it" one-year deal? Really??? Or do you think that AP and his agent are over-reaching on his value? That's what I believe, and I am making an educated guess that they left some upfront guaranteed money on the table to avoid locking him into a deal that takes him into the 29-30 year old range before he is eligible for free agency again.
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 15, 2019 18:44:11 GMT -7
He is no big player in Gus' defence, he is a big player in the ST's scheme. Nobody is going to offer him big money/term, he isn't talented enough, and will be 29.....it is a young mans game.As I have just explained a minute ago, and explained the reasoning behind my posts. Do you really believe that the Chargers only offered him a "take it or leave it" one-year deal? Really??? Or do you think that AP and his agent are over-reaching on his value? That's what I believe, and I taking an educated guess that they left some upfront money on the table to avoid locking him into a deal that takes him into the 29-30 year old range. I think TT slow played the talks, having a reasonable feel for outside interest in AP. Clearly the interest was low, and deservedly so in my view. Agents and players always feel they are worth way more than what is signed, but that isn't the important aspect, managing the team cost is. I am not signing AP to big money because more talented players are going to ask crazy amounts and use AP's contract to justify it. AP's importance is his ST's play......nothing more.
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Post by joemcrugby on Mar 15, 2019 18:47:25 GMT -7
As I have just explained a minute ago, and explained the reasoning behind my posts. Do you really believe that the Chargers only offered him a "take it or leave it" one-year deal? Really??? Or do you think that AP and his agent are over-reaching on his value? That's what I believe, and I taking an educated guess that they left some upfront money on the table to avoid locking him into a deal that takes him into the 29-30 year old range. I think TT slow played the talks, having a reasonable feel for outside interest in AP. Clearly the interest was low, and deservedly so in my view. Agents and players always feel they are worth way more than what is signed, but that isn't the important aspect, managing the team cost is. I am not signing AP to big money because more talented players are going to ask crazy amounts and use AP's contract to justify it. AP's importance is his ST's play......nothing more. And you would refuse to offer him a multi-year deal???
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 15, 2019 18:53:33 GMT -7
I think TT slow played the talks, having a reasonable feel for outside interest in AP. Clearly the interest was low, and deservedly so in my view. Agents and players always feel they are worth way more than what is signed, but that isn't the important aspect, managing the team cost is. I am not signing AP to big money because more talented players are going to ask crazy amounts and use AP's contract to justify it. AP's importance is his ST's play......nothing more. And you would refuse to offer him a multi-year deal??? No, I might go two years, but I need an out for year two. If they said no, then one year deal only.....
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Post by moekid on Mar 15, 2019 19:03:03 GMT -7
And he fills a unique role in Gus Bradley's defensive system.
It makes no sense for AP to leave if nobody is offering him starter money (and nobody obviously has), and next season will be his last chance to get a starter's contract from a gullible franchise (Raiduhs/Redskins et al. anybody???). If AP stays healthy, plays at a similar level in his different roles in 2019, and nobody is willing to throw him starter's money (I doubt that it will happen), then I can see him signing a multi-year deal with the Bolts in 2020 that gives him more upfront money but keeps him locked up for multiyears. He is no big player in Gus' defence, he is a big player in the ST's scheme. Nobody is going to offer him big money/term, he isn't talented enough, and will be 29.....it is a young mans game. Your first sentence is just flat out wrong. He was a key cog in Gus D’s hybrid scheme. |
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Post by frozendisc on Mar 15, 2019 19:06:15 GMT -7
He is no big player in Gus' defence, he is a big player in the ST's scheme. Nobody is going to offer him big money/term, he isn't talented enough, and will be 29.....it is a young mans game. Your first sentence is just flat out wrong. He was a key cog in Gus D’s hybrid scheme. Apparently, and the demand by others and us so recognized that.
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Post by moekid on Mar 15, 2019 19:13:03 GMT -7
Your first sentence is just flat out wrong. He was a key cog in Gus D’s hybrid scheme. Apparently, and the demand by others and us so recognized that. Everybody doesn’t run Gus D’s system. |
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