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Post by frozendisc on Feb 15, 2023 9:34:12 GMT -7
Drafting Robinson would help Herbert a lot as well! Jax first round RB draft pick Travis Etienne Jr. had 109 yards rushing in their playoff victory. Ekeler had 35 yards. REACT AS REALITY WILL KILL YOU WITH FACTS !!!!!!!!!!! 30th in rushing. Rushing needs to be fixed, and it isn't just the scheme......
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Post by sdc on Feb 16, 2023 11:22:31 GMT -7
I don’t spent much time Monday morning QB’ing but I was thinking this morning about two things that cost us big last season. First, not really making any effort to upgrade the swing tackle. Much attention was given to Pipkins being given the starting RT job. They feigned a competition but that was all show. Storm Norton must be a great practice player but he is hot trash when it matters. He failed miserably in 2021 and still no effort to upgrade. Salyer was a last gap measure when Storm shit the bed again. Salyer played very well but could have been better utilized on the interior. Either to cover injuries or to upgrade on Feiler. Next was a speed WR. I’m not sure that it would have mattered with Lombardi’s short strike philosophy and our inability to run the ball. Guyton has done nothing to warrant no looking at field stretching ability. Along with Guyton, Big Mike’s injuries hurt in this regard as well. Keeping the defense honest and safeties deep would have been a huge boost.
Both could have been addressed in the draft or inexpensively via trade or FA. Imagine Kadarius Toney on the team. Chiefs got him for a 3rd round from the Giants who drafted him in the first round only a couple of years ago. Rookie contract, blazing speed, and first round abilities. As a side note, I was firmly in the camp before the draft that we were stacked at WR and didn’t need to spend a high round pick there. But come October, I would have been thrilled if we got Toney given the MASH unit that was our team.
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Post by sdc on Feb 16, 2023 11:32:38 GMT -7
Jax first round RB draft pick Travis Etienne Jr. had 109 yards rushing in their playoff victory. Ekeler had 35 yards. REACT AS REALITY WILL KILL YOU WITH FACTS !!!!!!!!!!! 30th in rushing. Rushing needs to be fixed, and it isn't just the scheme...... it It all fits together. Building an attacking defense that is predicated on getting to the QB and creating turnovers assumes that you are playing with a lead much of the time. When you are behind none of that matters. Run defense becomes critical. Guess what we perennially suck at? On offense you must be able to run the ball which opens up the vertical game. No running game equals no chunk plays, playing two deep with light boxes. I know Staley gets all this. He’s betting his job that Moore can come in create balance on offense which would instantly make the defense that much more effective. We also need Doogie Howser to learn that halftime adjustments are both allowed and are encouraged and need to have Lady Luck quit shitting on us when it comes to injuries.
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Post by afboltfan on Feb 16, 2023 12:42:22 GMT -7
I'm curious how much restructuring Keenan Allen and signing Parris Campbell would cost us...
Keenan Allen, Parris Campbell, Mike Williams, and Josh Palmer would be a decent stable of WR's.
Draft Robinson if he is available in the 1st and maybe Washington/Kincaid/Mayer if they fall that far in the 2nd (which I doubt).
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Post by sonorajim on Feb 16, 2023 13:19:47 GMT -7
Jax first round RB draft pick Travis Etienne Jr. had 109 yards rushing in their playoff victory. Ekeler had 35 yards. REACT AS REALITY WILL KILL YOU WITH FACTS !!!!!!!!!!! 30th in rushing. Rushing needs to be fixed, and it isn't just the scheme...... Not just but a lot. Moore uses a lot of formations and motion that weren't part of the O in '22. Everybody's involved in deception and/or blocks. We weren't executing that well. We may need OL. Questions about Feiler and Pipkins need to be resolved by Moore & Co. We need to draft more OL in any case. Swing OT is questionable, C depth.
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 17, 2023 6:14:44 GMT -7
I'm curious how much restructuring Keenan Allen and signing Parris Campbell would cost us... Keenan Allen, Parris Campbell, Mike Williams, and Josh Palmer would be a decent stable of WR's. Draft Robinson if he is available in the 1st and maybe Washington/Kincaid/Mayer if they fall that far in the 2nd (which I doubt). That dude is fast and a good find for you in free agency. He's a WR4 on our team, so I wonder if we couldn't get him for a little cheaper. Four years 31 million or something. Ignore his stats because Herbert can double them compared to Indy.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 17, 2023 7:09:56 GMT -7
I'm curious how much restructuring Keenan Allen and signing Parris Campbell would cost us... Keenan Allen, Parris Campbell, Mike Williams, and Josh Palmer would be a decent stable of WR's. Draft Robinson if he is available in the 1st and maybe Washington/Kincaid/Mayer if they fall that far in the 2nd (which I doubt). I see a WR need only if KA refuses a restructure and TT says bye. Otherwise you would have KA, MW, Palmer, Guyton.....not great, but reasonable. If KA is gone, my guess is WR comes from FA, as the draft is not considered good on WR talent. I doubt any of those TE's fall out of rd 1......but I have been wrong before. Draft Robinson.....if he is there. Two back sets, both can run, both can catch, both are dangerous.....
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 17, 2023 7:13:06 GMT -7
I'm curious how much restructuring Keenan Allen and signing Parris Campbell would cost us... Keenan Allen, Parris Campbell, Mike Williams, and Josh Palmer would be a decent stable of WR's. Draft Robinson if he is available in the 1st and maybe Washington/Kincaid/Mayer if they fall that far in the 2nd (which I doubt). I see a WR need only if KA refuses a restructure and TT says bye. Otherwise you would have KA, MW, Palmer, Guyton.....not great, but reasonable. If KA is gone, my guess is WR comes from FA, as the draft is not considered good on WR talent. I doubt any of those TE's fall out of rd 1......but I have been wrong before. Draft Robinson.....if he is there. Two back sets, both can run, both can catch, both are dangerous..... The position has been really undervalued in the draft. I would gamble that at least one of them goes 2nd round.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 17, 2023 7:23:53 GMT -7
I see a WR need only if KA refuses a restructure and TT says bye. Otherwise you would have KA, MW, Palmer, Guyton.....not great, but reasonable. If KA is gone, my guess is WR comes from FA, as the draft is not considered good on WR talent. I doubt any of those TE's fall out of rd 1......but I have been wrong before. Draft Robinson.....if he is there. Two back sets, both can run, both can catch, both are dangerous..... The position has been really undervalued in the draft. I would gamble that at least one of them goes 2nd round. Maybe, especially when team needs get considered.....but that 'one' isn't falling to the Chargers' 2nd rd pick.
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 17, 2023 7:42:07 GMT -7
The position has been really undervalued in the draft. I would gamble that at least one of them goes 2nd round. Maybe, especially when team needs get considered.....but that 'one' isn't falling to the Chargers' 2nd rd pick. Easy. Moore will have to bring Dalton Schultz over from Dallas.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 17, 2023 7:44:50 GMT -7
Maybe, especially when team needs get considered.....but that 'one' isn't falling to the Chargers' 2nd rd pick. Easy. Moore will have to bring Dalton Schultz over from Dallas. Moore is the OC, not the GM...... You guys seem to expect Moore to be the fix for all the problems....he isn't.
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Post by lightsout42 on Feb 17, 2023 7:45:07 GMT -7
I'm curious how much restructuring Keenan Allen and signing Parris Campbell would cost us... Keenan Allen, Parris Campbell, Mike Williams, and Josh Palmer would be a decent stable of WR's. Draft Robinson if he is available in the 1st and maybe Washington/Kincaid/Mayer if they fall that far in the 2nd (which I doubt). I see a WR need only if KA refuses a restructure and TT says bye. Otherwise you would have KA, MW, Palmer, Guyton.....not great, but reasonable. If KA is gone, my guess is WR comes from FA, as the draft is not considered good on WR talent. I doubt any of those TE's fall out of rd 1......but I have been wrong before. Draft Robinson.....if he is there. Two back sets, both can run, both can catch, both are dangerous..... Robinson will be gone by 10 or 15. We need an edge, a WR to be a future WR1/2, and a TE. All of those require high-end picks. Which do we do first? |
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 17, 2023 7:49:52 GMT -7
I see a WR need only if KA refuses a restructure and TT says bye. Otherwise you would have KA, MW, Palmer, Guyton.....not great, but reasonable. If KA is gone, my guess is WR comes from FA, as the draft is not considered good on WR talent. I doubt any of those TE's fall out of rd 1......but I have been wrong before. Draft Robinson.....if he is there. Two back sets, both can run, both can catch, both are dangerous..... Robinson will be gone by 10 or 15. We need an edge, a WR to be a future WR1/2, and a TE. All of those require high-end picks. Which do we do first? That's a great question. Given your conditions, I would go TE, WR, then Edge. Given this year's class. Normal years, I would lean WR.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 17, 2023 8:03:31 GMT -7
I see a WR need only if KA refuses a restructure and TT says bye. Otherwise you would have KA, MW, Palmer, Guyton.....not great, but reasonable. If KA is gone, my guess is WR comes from FA, as the draft is not considered good on WR talent. I doubt any of those TE's fall out of rd 1......but I have been wrong before. Draft Robinson.....if he is there. Two back sets, both can run, both can catch, both are dangerous..... Robinson will be gone by 10 or 15. We need an edge, a WR to be a future WR1/2, and a TE. All of those require high-end picks. Which do we do first? Are the Chargers releasing KA and Mack? I think there is a run on Edge players well before 21st, WR talent isn't great, so I would lean TE.
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Post by afboltfan on Feb 17, 2023 9:20:24 GMT -7
Have you guys been keeping up with the Herbert contract rumors/prediction from Popper?
6 years $295 million with $135 million fully guaranteed.
Are the Chargers releasing Mack and KA? Yes... We're also releasing half the team. Herbert will throw to the practice squad.
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