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Post by afboltfan on Feb 11, 2023 4:42:53 GMT -7
I feel like both SDC and Moe... We can't have a coach that is learning on the job and expect him to win it all. It takes a combination of all things this team just doesn't have, my expectations are tempered as long as Spanos, TT, and Staley are a part of this team.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 11, 2023 9:33:10 GMT -7
Yep, he had minimal success this past season. Not against TE in the 1st, but WR, RB, OT, DE, Edge, NT.....all could be in play. *watch out for CB as well I don't think OT or Edge will be considered in the 1st. Pipkins, Bosa, & Mack are all staying. We should know for sure well before the draft. Releasing Mack would get the Chargers out of negative standing on the cap..... TT will definitely be making these decisions well before the draft, and you are correct, we should know.
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Post by moekid on Feb 11, 2023 11:57:25 GMT -7
Popper thinks Keenan will be released. I don’t understand why they would do that and get nothing back. If they’re ready to move on from Keenan at least trade him for picks.
One thing I can guarantee, if Keenan is released or traded there will be tweets from him about Staley/Chargers. That wtf are we doing tweet will seem mild
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Post by afboltfan on Feb 11, 2023 12:40:52 GMT -7
Popper thinks Keenan will be released. I don’t understand why they would do that and get nothing back. If they’re ready to move on from Keenan at least trade him for picks. One thing I can guarantee, if Keenan is released or traded there will be tweets from him about Staley/Chargers. That wtf are we doing tweet will seem mild If Popper thinks KA will be released then I guess he also thinks KA either refuses or is not offered a restructure. I can't possibly imagine this team releasing KA without bringing in a "quality" replacement.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 12, 2023 8:22:08 GMT -7
Popper thinks Keenan will be released. I don’t understand why they would do that and get nothing back. If they’re ready to move on from Keenan at least trade him for picks. One thing I can guarantee, if Keenan is released or traded there will be tweets from him about Staley/Chargers. That wtf are we doing tweet will seem mild Why would you not understand? KA's cost will become fixed after a certain date, every GM knows this. So TT needs to decide a few things.... 1) Is a healthy KA worth the cost. 2) Do we project KA to mostly be healthy. 3) Will KA restructure. 4) If KA is released, and the cap relief taken, how to we fix the WR hole. For me, question 3 is the key. If KA refuses a restructure, he gets released. My guess is TT already knows...... There will be cap casualties all across the league, it is not just the Chargers/TT making tough decisions.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 12, 2023 8:28:04 GMT -7
Popper thinks Keenan will be released. I don’t understand why they would do that and get nothing back. If they’re ready to move on from Keenan at least trade him for picks. One thing I can guarantee, if Keenan is released or traded there will be tweets from him about Staley/Chargers. That wtf are we doing tweet will seem mild If Popper thinks KA will be released then I guess he also thinks KA either refuses or is not offered a restructure. I can't possibly imagine this team releasing KA without bringing in a "quality" replacement.
You might get your wish on a new shiny fast veteran WR...... Release both KA and Mack.....suddenly the Chargers have plenty of cap space. FA period comes around, and there will be interesting options at FA WR's.....all of which would love to catch passes from Herbert.
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Post by afboltfan on Feb 12, 2023 9:54:58 GMT -7
If Popper thinks KA will be released then I guess he also thinks KA either refuses or is not offered a restructure. I can't possibly imagine this team releasing KA without bringing in a "quality" replacement.
You might get your wish on a new shiny fast veteran WR...... Release both KA and Mack.....suddenly the Chargers have plenty of cap space. FA period comes around, and there will be interesting options at FA WR's.....all of which would love to catch passes from Herbert. I don't think Mack is let go. As far as KA, here is what I think. I think KA showed last year he is getting old which affected him in 2 ways, his health and his ability to handle double teams. When we lost Mike Williams and had KA, teams just doubled him and he was widely ineffective. When we had Mike Williams and lost KA, again Mike Williams was mostly ineffective. Why? Mike Williams is not the route runner KA is or was.
If we restructure KA we STILL have to bring him some help as evidence by almost every season where at least KA or Williams will miss games.
WR is a must I feel... Then TE and then RB. TE and RB can take pressure off the WR issue and Ekeler is good at that, we just need a better compliment than Kelley. Find that RB in the later rounds... Go for TE in round 2 or trade back up into round 1.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 12, 2023 10:13:42 GMT -7
You might get your wish on a new shiny fast veteran WR...... Release both KA and Mack.....suddenly the Chargers have plenty of cap space. FA period comes around, and there will be interesting options at FA WR's.....all of which would love to catch passes from Herbert. I don't think Mack is let go. As far as KA, here is what I think. I think KA showed last year he is getting old which affected him in 2 ways, his health and his ability to handle double teams. When we lost Mike Williams and had KA, teams just doubled him and he was widely ineffective. When we had Mike Williams and lost KA, again Mike Williams was mostly ineffective. Why? Mike Williams is not the route runner KA is or was.
If we restructure KA we STILL have to bring him some help as evidence by almost every season where at least KA or Williams will miss games.
WR is a must I feel... Then TE and then RB. TE and RB can take pressure off the WR issue and Ekeler is good at that, we just need a better compliment than Kelley. Find that RB in the later rounds... Go for TE in round 2 or trade back up into round 1.
I do not want Mack released either, but big big cap savings there, so it must be considered. Great analysis on KA.....KA restructures, or bye. Terrible analysis on MW, but your bias has always affected your MW takes. KA lives on route running skills, MW is that big body contested pass type.....very different WR's, but both are very good. Fingers crossed on getting a KA restructure......and maybe a Mack restructure? FA results will drive the draft direction to a large degree. That noted, we just see things differently when looking at this offence. TT could take the best WR in this draft, and that won't fix the running issue. I just believe they have to become at least average at running the ball. How that is achieved is the conundrum.....Robinson, if there, might be the answer.
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Post by afboltfan on Feb 12, 2023 11:33:00 GMT -7
I don't think Mack is let go. As far as KA, here is what I think. I think KA showed last year he is getting old which affected him in 2 ways, his health and his ability to handle double teams. When we lost Mike Williams and had KA, teams just doubled him and he was widely ineffective. When we had Mike Williams and lost KA, again Mike Williams was mostly ineffective. Why? Mike Williams is not the route runner KA is or was.
If we restructure KA we STILL have to bring him some help as evidence by almost every season where at least KA or Williams will miss games.
WR is a must I feel... Then TE and then RB. TE and RB can take pressure off the WR issue and Ekeler is good at that, we just need a better compliment than Kelley. Find that RB in the later rounds... Go for TE in round 2 or trade back up into round 1.
I do not want Mack released either, but big big cap savings there, so it must be considered. Great analysis on KA.....KA restructures, or bye. Terrible analysis on MW, but your bias has always affected your MW takes. KA lives on route running skills, MW is that big body contested pass type.....very different WR's, but both are very good. Fingers crossed on getting a KA restructure......and maybe a Mack restructure? FA results will drive the draft direction to a large degree. That noted, we just see things differently when looking at this offence. TT could take the best WR in this draft, and that won't fix the running issue. I just believe they have to become at least average at running the ball. How that is achieved is the conundrum.....Robinson, if there, might be the answer. Mike Williams is a good WR2... He does excel at jump balls and contested catches, he also is best at running in a straight line. It is what it is and I feel he is a part of the team.
I'm all for a RB as I keep saying, but I also think Moore will have a bigger impact on that side of the ball than anything else.
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Post by lightsout42 on Feb 12, 2023 21:39:11 GMT -7
I don't think Mack is let go. As far as KA, here is what I think. I think KA showed last year he is getting old which affected him in 2 ways, his health and his ability to handle double teams. When we lost Mike Williams and had KA, teams just doubled him and he was widely ineffective. When we had Mike Williams and lost KA, again Mike Williams was mostly ineffective. Why? Mike Williams is not the route runner KA is or was.
If we restructure KA we STILL have to bring him some help as evidence by almost every season where at least KA or Williams will miss games.
WR is a must I feel... Then TE and then RB. TE and RB can take pressure off the WR issue and Ekeler is good at that, we just need a better compliment than Kelley. Find that RB in the later rounds... Go for TE in round 2 or trade back up into round 1.
I do not want Mack released either, but big big cap savings there, so it must be considered. Great analysis on KA.....KA restructures, or bye. Terrible analysis on MW, but your bias has always affected your MW takes. KA lives on route running skills, MW is that big body contested pass type.....very different WR's, but both are very good. Fingers crossed on getting a KA restructure......and maybe a Mack restructure? FA results will drive the draft direction to a large degree. That noted, we just see things differently when looking at this offence. TT could take the best WR in this draft, and that won't fix the running issue. I just believe they have to become at least average at running the ball. How that is achieved is the conundrum.....Robinson, if there, might be the answer. Mack was restructured last year. |
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 13, 2023 6:12:47 GMT -7
I do not want Mack released either, but big big cap savings there, so it must be considered. Great analysis on KA.....KA restructures, or bye. Terrible analysis on MW, but your bias has always affected your MW takes. KA lives on route running skills, MW is that big body contested pass type.....very different WR's, but both are very good. Fingers crossed on getting a KA restructure......and maybe a Mack restructure? FA results will drive the draft direction to a large degree. That noted, we just see things differently when looking at this offence. TT could take the best WR in this draft, and that won't fix the running issue. I just believe they have to become at least average at running the ball. How that is achieved is the conundrum.....Robinson, if there, might be the answer. Mack was restructured last year. Nominated. Our mini Cap accountants are silent.
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 13, 2023 6:22:05 GMT -7
I don't think Mack is let go. As far as KA, here is what I think. I think KA showed last year he is getting old which affected him in 2 ways, his health and his ability to handle double teams. When we lost Mike Williams and had KA, teams just doubled him and he was widely ineffective. When we had Mike Williams and lost KA, again Mike Williams was mostly ineffective. Why? Mike Williams is not the route runner KA is or was.
If we restructure KA we STILL have to bring him some help as evidence by almost every season where at least KA or Williams will miss games.
WR is a must I feel... Then TE and then RB. TE and RB can take pressure off the WR issue and Ekeler is good at that, we just need a better compliment than Kelley. Find that RB in the later rounds... Go for TE in round 2 or trade back up into round 1.
I do not want Mack released either, but big big cap savings there, so it must be considered. Great analysis on KA.....KA restructures, or bye. Terrible analysis on MW, but your bias has always affected your MW takes. KA lives on route running skills, MW is that big body contested pass type.....very different WR's, but both are very good. Fingers crossed on getting a KA restructure......and maybe a Mack restructure? FA results will drive the draft direction to a large degree. That noted, we just see things differently when looking at this offence. TT could take the best WR in this draft, and that won't fix the running issue. I just believe they have to become at least average at running the ball. How that is achieved is the conundrum.....Robinson, if there, might be the answer. did you know the superbowl Chefs with all throwing Mahomes, had 27 passes, and 26 rushing attempts. Mahomes only had 182 yards throwing. YOU HAVE HAVE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO RUN THE BALL IN THE POSTSEASON We were 30th in rushing and could not hold a 27-0 lead.
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Post by amped on Feb 13, 2023 6:26:37 GMT -7
I do not want Mack released either, but big big cap savings there, so it must be considered. Great analysis on KA.....KA restructures, or bye. Terrible analysis on MW, but your bias has always affected your MW takes. KA lives on route running skills, MW is that big body contested pass type.....very different WR's, but both are very good. Fingers crossed on getting a KA restructure......and maybe a Mack restructure? FA results will drive the draft direction to a large degree. That noted, we just see things differently when looking at this offence. TT could take the best WR in this draft, and that won't fix the running issue. I just believe they have to become at least average at running the ball. How that is achieved is the conundrum.....Robinson, if there, might be the answer. did you know the superbowl Chefs with all throwing Mahomes, had 27 passes, and 26 rushing attempts. Mahomes only had 182 yards throwing. YOU HAVE HAVE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO RUN THE BALL IN THE POSTSEASON We were 30th in rushing and could not hold a 27-0 lead. You are absolutely right. Have to run the ball.
I think TT and Staley think that with a healthy O-Line they can run the ball with this stable of running backs.
I would be surprised if we pick up an early round running back.
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Post by chargerfreak on Feb 13, 2023 6:50:03 GMT -7
did you know the superbowl Chefs with all throwing Mahomes, had 27 passes, and 26 rushing attempts. Mahomes only had 182 yards throwing. YOU HAVE HAVE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO RUN THE BALL IN THE POSTSEASON We were 30th in rushing and could not hold a 27-0 lead. You are absolutely right. Have to run the ball.
I think TT and Staley think that with a healthy O-Line they can run the ball with this stable of running backs.
I would be surprised if we pick up an early round running back.
That's enough to scare the hell out of you. This is NOT a one off year. We haven't run the ball with respectful rankings in years. Kellen Moore is a coordinator, not a magician.
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Post by frozendisc on Feb 13, 2023 8:23:34 GMT -7
I do not want Mack released either, but big big cap savings there, so it must be considered. Great analysis on KA.....KA restructures, or bye. Terrible analysis on MW, but your bias has always affected your MW takes. KA lives on route running skills, MW is that big body contested pass type.....very different WR's, but both are very good. Fingers crossed on getting a KA restructure......and maybe a Mack restructure? FA results will drive the draft direction to a large degree. That noted, we just see things differently when looking at this offence. TT could take the best WR in this draft, and that won't fix the running issue. I just believe they have to become at least average at running the ball. How that is achieved is the conundrum.....Robinson, if there, might be the answer. Mack was restructured last year. If a restructure cannot happen, a release should......for both KA and Mack.
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